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Europa Universalis
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13%
Victoria
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15%
Crusader Kings
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22
20%
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21%
One of those weird "published by PDX" games that nobody ever talks about here
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Postby Lunas Legion » Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:05 am

Bralia wrote:All of a sudden I have a newfound respect for GFM. I might just get over my dismissive attitude towards the mod based on this take alone.


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Postby Ithalian Empire » Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:20 am

Heloin wrote:
Bralia wrote:All of a sudden I have a newfound respect for GFM. I might just get over my dismissive attitude towards the mod based on this take alone.

I shouldn’t have read any of those comments past the first one.

These games have some of the worst fans.

Heheheh I am such a quirky person, heheheh genocide is sooooooo funnnnnyyyyy!!!!! I am going to post how much genocide I've done in africa on the reddit and get alll the upvooottttssss
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:26 am

Ithalian Empire wrote:
Heloin wrote:I shouldn’t have read any of those comments past the first one.

These games have some of the worst fans.

Heheheh I am such a quirky person, heheheh genocide is sooooooo funnnnnyyyyy!!!!! I am going to post how much genocide I've done in africa on the reddit and get alll the upvooottttssss
The only paradox game you should be able to actively commit genocide in is Stellaris imo

Because you know thats on fish people and mushrooms and not real people who suffered genocide in history. And i always get really odd vibes from a lot of the people who want the option to carry out genocide in historical based games.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:56 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Ithalian Empire wrote:Heheheh I am such a quirky person, heheheh genocide is sooooooo funnnnnyyyyy!!!!! I am going to post how much genocide I've done in africa on the reddit and get alll the upvooottttssss
The only paradox game you should be able to actively commit genocide in is Stellaris imo

Because you know thats on fish people and mushrooms and not real people who suffered genocide in history. And i always get really odd vibes from a lot of the people who want the option to carry out genocide in historical based games.

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Postby Ithalian Empire » Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:59 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Ithalian Empire wrote:Heheheh I am such a quirky person, heheheh genocide is sooooooo funnnnnyyyyy!!!!! I am going to post how much genocide I've done in africa on the reddit and get alll the upvooottttssss
The only paradox game you should be able to actively commit genocide in is Stellaris imo

Because you know thats on fish people and mushrooms and not real people who suffered genocide in history. And i always get really odd vibes from a lot of the people who want the option to carry out genocide in historical based games.

Its one of the reasons I dislike EUIV culture mechanics.

I will never feel bad about causing the extinction of the muscoloid hive mine that had been causing me problems since first contact. I will always question why spending the birdy points to get ride of a culture in africa is only a net gain for me.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:04 am

Ithalian Empire wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:The only paradox game you should be able to actively commit genocide in is Stellaris imo

Because you know thats on fish people and mushrooms and not real people who suffered genocide in history. And i always get really odd vibes from a lot of the people who want the option to carry out genocide in historical based games.

Its one of the reasons I dislike EUIV culture mechanics.

I will never feel bad about causing the extinction of the muscoloid hive mine that had been causing me problems since first contact. I will always question why spending the birdy points to get ride of a culture in africa is only a net gain for me.

That culture in EU is a magic button you press then someone becomes Polish is deeply funny to me.

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Postby Ithalian Empire » Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:08 am

Heloin wrote:
Ithalian Empire wrote:Its one of the reasons I dislike EUIV culture mechanics.

I will never feel bad about causing the extinction of the muscoloid hive mine that had been causing me problems since first contact. I will always question why spending the birdy points to get ride of a culture in africa is only a net gain for me.

That culture in EU is a magic button you press then someone becomes Polish is deeply funny to me.

The more I look at Paradox games the more I relies they would all benefit from having pop mechanics.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:12 am

Ithalian Empire wrote:
Heloin wrote:That culture in EU is a magic button you press then someone becomes Polish is deeply funny to me.

The more I look at Paradox games the more I relies they would all benefit from having pop mechanics.

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Postby Continental Free States » Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:16 am

Ithalian Empire wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:The only paradox game you should be able to actively commit genocide in is Stellaris imo

Because you know thats on fish people and mushrooms and not real people who suffered genocide in history. And i always get really odd vibes from a lot of the people who want the option to carry out genocide in historical based games.

Its one of the reasons I dislike EUIV culture mechanics.

I will never feel bad about causing the extinction of the muscoloid hive mine that had been causing me problems since first contact. I will always question why spending the birdy points to get ride of a culture in africa is only a net gain for me.

The most questionable part is that said extinction still does result in something negative, you pretty much can't do diplomacy if you commit genocide because everyone will hate you. Meanwhile nobody? really minds it if you convert cultures? And it's not even entirely clear what "convert culture" even means.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:40 pm

Bralia wrote:All of a sudden I have a newfound respect for GFM. I might just get over my dismissive attitude towards the mod based on this take alone.

What is GFM?
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Postby Antipatros » Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:50 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Bralia wrote:All of a sudden I have a newfound respect for GFM. I might just get over my dismissive attitude towards the mod based on this take alone.

What is GFM?

A mod for Victoria 2.

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Postby Grenartia » Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:06 pm

Antipatros wrote:
Grenartia wrote:What is GFM?

A mod for Victoria 2.


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Postby Endem » Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:14 pm

Continental Free States wrote:
Ithalian Empire wrote:Its one of the reasons I dislike EUIV culture mechanics.

I will never feel bad about causing the extinction of the muscoloid hive mine that had been causing me problems since first contact. I will always question why spending the birdy points to get ride of a culture in africa is only a net gain for me.

The most questionable part is that said extinction still does result in something negative, you pretty much can't do diplomacy if you commit genocide because everyone will hate you. Meanwhile nobody? really minds it if you convert cultures? And it's not even entirely clear what "convert culture" even means.

I know people tend to make this joke about EU4 but, why have I not seen anybody make such jokes about that mechanic in CK3

For example: I genocided the Zaghawa, Sao, and Hausa- er, I mean, culture converted, through my Steward by the convert culture button in CK3 for god's sake.

And I haven't seen even one joke or complaint about the mechanic anywhere.
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Postby Ithalian Empire » Sat Nov 20, 2021 7:46 pm

Endem wrote:
Continental Free States wrote:The most questionable part is that said extinction still does result in something negative, you pretty much can't do diplomacy if you commit genocide because everyone will hate you. Meanwhile nobody? really minds it if you convert cultures? And it's not even entirely clear what "convert culture" even means.

I know people tend to make this joke about EU4 but, why have I not seen anybody make such jokes about that mechanic in CK3

For example: I genocided the Zaghawa, Sao, and Hausa- er, I mean, culture converted, through my Steward by the convert culture button in CK3 for god's sake.

And I haven't seen even one joke or complaint about the mechanic anywhere.

I hate the mechanic everywhere it's in. EUIV is just low hanging fruit for my seeing as its my least favorite PDX game.
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Postby Continental Free States » Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:20 pm

Endem wrote:
Continental Free States wrote:The most questionable part is that said extinction still does result in something negative, you pretty much can't do diplomacy if you commit genocide because everyone will hate you. Meanwhile nobody? really minds it if you convert cultures? And it's not even entirely clear what "convert culture" even means.

I know people tend to make this joke about EU4 but, why have I not seen anybody make such jokes about that mechanic in CK3

For example: I genocided the Zaghawa, Sao, and Hausa- er, I mean, culture converted, through my Steward by the convert culture button in CK3 for god's sake.

And I haven't seen even one joke or complaint about the mechanic anywhere.

It's in part because in CK2/3 you have the historical example of, say, England to have a guess how "cultural conversion" is meant to look like, while in EU4 you have "expel minorities" which means it's... not even just "they started talking in our language and acting as we do". I mean the former is still horrible from any standpoint but the latter might as well be genocide and/or ethnic cleansing.
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Postby Immoren » Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:52 am

One that I was thinking about CK3 era, is that should religion have the "proselytizer/non-proselytizer" tenent where at X year intervals religions with proselytizer tenent would make contested fervor check (or something like that) to represent grassroots spread of certain religions. So it wouldn't be all top-down spread currently shown.
Although I'm not sure if that'd be possible or not or should even proselytizer religions do same with other proselytizer religions.

I was thinking EU time frame things were getting established enough that this probably wouldn't be thing, but then I remember colonizers did bring missionaries with them.
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Postby HISPIDA » Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:15 pm

the UNE hasn't spawned in my recent CWM game. either this is a bug or something, somewhere, has destroyed them.

if it's the latter, then i swear upon the constitution of the commonwealth that i will not rest nor falter until i figure out who has...

and exact humanity's revenge.
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Postby Heloin » Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:31 pm

Hispida wrote:the UNE hasn't spawned in my recent CWM game. either this is a bug or something, somewhere, has destroyed them.

if it's the latter, then i swear upon the constitution of the commonwealth that i will not rest nor falter until i figure out who has...

and exact humanity's revenge.

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Postby HISPIDA » Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:34 pm

Heloin wrote:
Hispida wrote:the UNE hasn't spawned in my recent CWM game. either this is a bug or something, somewhere, has destroyed them.

if it's the latter, then i swear upon the constitution of the commonwealth that i will not rest nor falter until i figure out who has...

and exact humanity's revenge.

Some real you can’t beat up my brother, only I can do that vibes.

i planned to ally with the UNE and slowly become more xenophilic (but not egalitarian). but they're gone. we've formed the galactic community, but the UNE is nowhere to be found.
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Postby Continental Free States » Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:35 pm

Hispida wrote:
Heloin wrote:Some real you can’t beat up my brother, only I can do that vibes.

i planned to ally with the UNE and slowly become more xenophilic (but not egalitarian). but they're gone. we've formed the galactic community, but the UNE is nowhere to be found.

Is Sol even there? I mean if every system has been discovered at any rate.
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Postby Imperial States of Duotona » Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:38 pm

Republic Of Ludwigsburg wrote:I really hope that Paradox lets us shitty laptop players be able to run the game. I don't want them to do a ck3 and make the graphics 69,000,000 pixels and needing an intel 1696969 processor

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:38 pm

Continental Free States wrote:
Hispida wrote:i planned to ally with the UNE and slowly become more xenophilic (but not egalitarian). but they're gone. we've formed the galactic community, but the UNE is nowhere to be found.

Is Sol even there? I mean if every system has been discovered at any rate.

I think the UNE always spawns if you are the Commonwealth. Though saying that ive never actually played as them i think.
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Postby HISPIDA » Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:39 pm

Continental Free States wrote:
Hispida wrote:i planned to ally with the UNE and slowly become more xenophilic (but not egalitarian). but they're gone. we've formed the galactic community, but the UNE is nowhere to be found.

Is Sol even there? I mean if every system has been discovered at any rate.

the UNE always spawns if you play as the CWM. always. unless you're playing a custom CWM, which i'm not.
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