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Europa Universalis
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Victoria
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Crusader Kings
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:26 pm

Managed to reload a save and eventually save scummed the tech you need for the stupid crystals. They really shouldn't let you upgrade if you don't even have access to the materials. Oh well.

I have barbarians on my border with over 50k in fleet power.

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Hmmmm, maybe I could use them to attack the Remnant empire... inb4 the Remnants have 100k fleet power.

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Postby Hirota » Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:26 am

Not sure if it helps anyone else, but CK3 is coming to gamepass on day of release.

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2019/10/19/ ... c-in-2020/
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:21 am

Hirota wrote:Not sure if it helps anyone else, but CK3 is coming to gamepass on day of release.

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2019/10/19/ ... c-in-2020/

Thats cool, gamepass is great.
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:01 am

How do you even play paradox games without a mouse? O_O
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:16 am

Purpelia wrote:How do you even play paradox games without a mouse? O_O

With a controller i would imagine.



edit: Just being a snarky bitch dont mind me, ive not seen any gameplay of console versions of paradox games but i assume the UI has been simplified more and easier to navigate with a controller etc

And i think the Console Version of Stellaris still has the blob spheres of influence the original PC version of the game did and doesnt have all the dlc either i think, yet anyway.
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Postby Abserdia » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:56 am

Purpelia wrote:How do you even play paradox games without a mouse? O_O

I mean, you can, but CK3 is coming to Gamepass for PC.
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Postby Twicetagram and JYPe » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:02 am

Asking a EU4 question.

Truce with Granada ended(I'm Castille), so I'm thinking of annexation. No casus belli, but my forces overpower theirs. It's August 1454. Is it too late/early to attack? Should I?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:11 am

Twicetagram and JYPE wrote:Asking a EU4 question.

Truce with Granada ended(I'm Castille), so I'm thinking of annexation. No casus belli, but my forces overpower theirs. It's August 1454. Is it too late/early to attack? Should I?

Attacking with no casus belli fucks your stability over does it not? Probably best to wait on a CB before attacking, try justifying one manually and then attacking.
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Postby Bralia » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:14 am

Twicetagram and JYPE wrote:Asking a EU4 question.

Truce with Granada ended(I'm Castille), so I'm thinking of annexation. No casus belli, but my forces overpower theirs. It's August 1454. Is it too late/early to attack? Should I?

Do it. No matter how many alliances they have, even with an alliance with the Ottomans, the war is almost trivially easy so long as you keep your fleet in the Straits. If Ottoman alliance = yes: if they do send armies, it'll be by ship. Ignore the ships, let them land. They won't be able to land much at a time it's way too early in the game for large transport fleets.

Especially don't worry about obtaining Sunni lands, they'll be converted via event not too long after annexation.

Missed the part about no CB, you have a mission to gain a CB on them, you'll wanna fulfill that first, even if it's a bit of a pain in the ass. There's no rush to kill Granada, really.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:42 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Twicetagram and JYPE wrote:Asking a EU4 question.

Truce with Granada ended(I'm Castille), so I'm thinking of annexation. No casus belli, but my forces overpower theirs. It's August 1454. Is it too late/early to attack? Should I?

Attacking with no casus belli fucks your stability over does it not? Probably best to wait on a CB before attacking, try justifying one manually and then attacking.

Attacking without a CB, I believe, also gives you instant and massive aggressive expansion, so as Castille you'd probably end up the target of a coalition consisting of everyone in Europe and North Africa. So yeah, definitely check the missions tab, because I'm sure one of them will give you claims to Granada.
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Postby Grootfries Rijk » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:31 am

This Shitshow has been going on, pretty much with this proportion of troops, for ~23 years.

It started when he was King of Italy, now he's also king of Lothringia and West Francia. Ironically enough King of Bavaria is his fucking heir.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:42 am

Grootfries Rijk wrote:This Shitshow has been going on, pretty much with this proportion of troops, for ~23 years.

It started when he was King of Italy, now he's also king of Lothringia and West Francia. Ironically enough King of Bavaria is his fucking heir.

So this war has lasted near 23 years and you have had two battles?
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Postby Grootfries Rijk » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:55 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Grootfries Rijk wrote:This Shitshow has been going on, pretty much with this proportion of troops, for ~23 years.

It started when he was King of Italy, now he's also king of Lothringia and West Francia. Ironically enough King of Bavaria is his fucking heir.

So this war has lasted near 23 years and you have had two battles?

Well I wasn't fighting in it, I was just watching. But yes. It's roughly 3k vs. 200, how many battles do you think was going to happen?

Also, uh. It finally ended in 897 (I'm now part of West Francia)
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:59 am

Grootfries Rijk wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:So this war has lasted near 23 years and you have had two battles?

Well I wasn't fighting in it, I was just watching. But yes. It's roughly 3k vs. 200, how many battles do you think was going to happen?
Well... a few more i guess, you know a few suicide runs at a larger stack that kind of thing.

Also, uh. It finally ended in 897 (I'm now part of West Francia)
Yes very good that.
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Postby Grootfries Rijk » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:15 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Also, uh. It finally ended in 897 (I'm now part of West Francia)
Yes very good that.

Indeed, especially since acquiring some territory in Carinthia -and therefore gaining access to water- is on my check list. Had I not been part of West Francia, I'd need to fight all of West Francia.
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Postby Abserdia » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:39 am

I've been doing some Monarch's Journey in CK2. I don't expect to get every cosmetic before 3 comes out, but it's fun and I want those silly hats.

Doux Kulin's is very easy. Finished every achievement at the age of 53, and the last 12 years were just me waiting to finish the last challenge. The only difficult step (getting independence) is still pretty easy if the Byzantine Empire is, um, the Byzantine Empire.

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Postby Renoa » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:47 pm

I just forgot the golden rule of Paradox games, which is "Never trust your allies to do anything properly."
I'm playing EU4 as England and I keep getting into wars with France where my allies and I outnumber them almost 2 to 1, but my allies are dicking around trying to siege in Burgundy instead of helping me fight battles and defend my continental holdings in Normandy. Once I finish eating Scotland I hope I'll finally be able to face France on my own terms.

Oh, and Portugal's ability to colonize absurdly quickly both pisses me off and scares me, even though we've been allies the entire game. They keep taking all the good shit in the Caribbean before I've even finished my first colony.
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:50 pm

Renoa wrote:I just forgot the golden rule of Paradox games, which is "Never trust your allies to do anything properly."
I'm playing EU4 as England and I keep getting into wars with France where my allies and I outnumber them almost 2 to 1, but my allies are dicking around trying to siege in Burgundy instead of helping me fight battles and defend my continental holdings in Normandy. Once I finish eating Scotland I hope I'll finally be able to face France on my own terms.

Oh, and Portugal's ability to colonize absurdly quickly both pisses me off and scares me, even though we've been allies the entire game. They keep taking all the good shit in the Caribbean before I've even finished my first colony.


Occassionally allies are useful.

I just destroyed and assimilated every other government in coalition anyway though so yeah :D

Not just that, not only do their citizens seem happier under my Star Empire as opposed to their dumb democracies that had shitty navies, the nearby Remnant Empire, which I once I worried I would have to go to war with, have now declared me their Chosen One after I excavated a world I captured.

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Postby Twicetagram and JYPe » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:21 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Twicetagram and JYPE wrote:Asking a EU4 question.

Truce with Granada ended(I'm Castille), so I'm thinking of annexation. No casus belli, but my forces overpower theirs. It's August 1454. Is it too late/early to attack? Should I?

Attacking with no casus belli fucks your stability over does it not? Probably best to wait on a CB before attacking, try justifying one manually and then attacking.

Bralia wrote:Missed the part about no CB, you have a mission to gain a CB on them, you'll wanna fulfill that first, even if it's a bit of a pain in the ass. There's no rush to kill Granada, really.

Ifreann wrote:Attacking without a CB, I believe, also gives you instant and massive aggressive expansion, so as Castille you'd probably end up the target of a coalition consisting of everyone in Europe and North Africa. So yeah, definitely check the missions tab, because I'm sure one of them will give you claims to Granada.

Thanks mates. Really appreciate your advice.
That being said, doesn't making Granada my rival give me a casus belli against them? I think it does, though I'm not too sure.
If the above is true, is it better for me to rival them? Morocco, my third rival, won't be wiping my ass for a while, now that they lost to Portugal.
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Postby Bralia » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:35 pm

Twicetagram and JYPE wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Attacking with no casus belli fucks your stability over does it not? Probably best to wait on a CB before attacking, try justifying one manually and then attacking.

Bralia wrote:Missed the part about no CB, you have a mission to gain a CB on them, you'll wanna fulfill that first, even if it's a bit of a pain in the ass. There's no rush to kill Granada, really.

Ifreann wrote:Attacking without a CB, I believe, also gives you instant and massive aggressive expansion, so as Castille you'd probably end up the target of a coalition consisting of everyone in Europe and North Africa. So yeah, definitely check the missions tab, because I'm sure one of them will give you claims to Granada.

Thanks mates. Really appreciate your advice.
That being said, doesn't making Granada my rival give me a casus belli against them? I think it does, though I'm not too sure.
If the above is true, is it better for me to rival them? Morocco, my third rival, won't be wiping my ass for a while, now that they lost to Portugal.

Two things come across as wrong here: unless Granada has something truly insane and blobbed somehow, you shouldn't be capable of rivaling them. Secondly, the Rivalry CB does not allow for conquest.
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Postby Twicetagram and JYPe » Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:30 pm

Bralia wrote:
Twicetagram and JYPE wrote:

Thanks mates. Really appreciate your advice.
That being said, doesn't making Granada my rival give me a casus belli against them? I think it does, though I'm not too sure.
If the above is true, is it better for me to rival them? Morocco, my third rival, won't be wiping my ass for a while, now that they lost to Portugal.

Two things come across as wrong here: unless Granada has something truly insane and blobbed somehow, you shouldn't be capable of rivaling them. Secondly, the Rivalry CB does not allow for conquest.

Hmm okay. Thanks!
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Postby Danubian Peoples » Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:53 pm

My latest Imperator: Rome run as Icenia->Albion! For more details, check out the imgur album.

Made another run. I wasn't trying to snag Perfidious Albion, so I just played relatively chill and formed Pretania past 500, before forming Albion and breaking onto the mainland. I did Imperial Ambition since I wnert for Monarchy this time, and forming Albion grants Empire government form if you're a monarchy. Actually, monarchies are great in this game, and it's a shame I haven't tried them sooner. Ruler stats are a lot less of an issue than in republics, since if your ruler is subpar you can just marry a consort with good stats and let them replace yours. Unlike CK2 marriages where your spouse only contributes half of their stats to yours, I:R consorts (and co-rulers in Aristocratic Republics) supercede ruler stats if theirs are better. If the king has 1 zeal and the consort 5, the 5 value will be used in lieu of the one.

There is one caveat to monarchic governments. Succession. There seems to be a near-guaranteed chance that upon succession, a pretender will raise some regiments and tank stability by 20. While it's a lot less frequent than the 5% stability hit you get with every election cycle in republics, it is quite a drastic change, and forces you to maintain high stability all the time, so you have enough to stay above 50%, even after they subtract the normal succession hit and this 20% hit. That's a lot of political influence you could be spending on things other than *pig sacrifice.mp3*. Now technically, since death in Imperator: Rome comes down to a thankfully predictable and deterministic health bar, (as opposed to CK2's death mechanics), you should theoretically be able to see if your character is at death's door and only deoply stability increasing measures then, but I'm too lazy to do that.

And one last thing about monarchies. It seems like Empire government form does not account for female regnants, and since Iceni appears to be one of those cultures that operates on different gender rules, I frequently got wonders such as Emperor [Obviously a Girl Name]. Hope they fix this, since I'm pretty sure non-Empire monarchs are correctly referred to as King and Queen.
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Postby Purpelia » Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:30 am

Been playing CK2 lately and have run into a mechanic that literally ruins the game for me. TLDR when my ruler dies and my heirs take over all the big vassals just break away and my kingdom vanishes.

Is there any way to forcefully disable this as a game option? If not, I literally quit CK2.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:59 am

Purpelia wrote:Been playing CK2 lately and have run into a mechanic that literally ruins the game for me. TLDR when my ruler dies and my heirs take over all the big vassals just break away and my kingdom vanishes.

Is there any way to forcefully disable this as a game option? If not, I literally quit CK2.


Uh... Not actually sure what's happening here. Do they win independence rebellions, or do they just 'poof' into being indie, since the latter might be the no enclaves option in game rules.
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