PDX Games IX: The Pacific Bread Centaur

[Danubian Peoples]

Well now I just feel stupid for actually liking the game. Am I? Please let me know.

With all the patches that have gone through the game it's honestly really good now. Sure it's launch was a piece of shit but I remember the launch version of Vicky 2.

Actually haven't played Vicky 2 but I do not that basegame yellow Prussia is the stuff of nightmares.

[Heloin]

With all the patches that have gone through the game it's honestly really good now. Sure it's launch was a piece of shit but I remember the launch version of Vicky 2.

Actually haven't played Vicky 2 but I do not that basegame yellow Prussia is the stuff of nightmares.

There where no fleet size limits and you could declare war without a CB. It was a glorious time, terrible time.

[The Imperial Reach]

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Actually haven't played Vicky 2 but I do not that basegame yellow Prussia is the stuff of nightmares.

There where no fleet size limits and you could declare war without a CB. It was a glorious time, terrible time.

I don't understand why "I just want their shit" isn't a good enough excuse to go to war? It's literally the most popular casus belli in human history. We've been doing it since we were still a Hunter-Gathering species. Let me be a warmonger, damn it.

[Impaled Nazarene]

So a real question for once.
If the Byzantines have a revolt located entirely on distant islands like Crete, Sardinia, Malta, and Cyprus and neither the Byzantines nor the revolters cannot put a large enough navy to invade what happens? Since most if not all revolts are based off of the Emperor not being liked I assume they end when the Emperor dies. But what if the RNStalin decides that this Emperor is going to reign for 50+ years?

[The Imperial Reach]

So a real question for once.
If the Byzantines have a revolt located entirely on distant islands like Crete, Sardinia, Malta, and Cyprus and neither the Byzantines nor the revolters cannot put a large enough navy to invade what happens? Since most if not all revolts are based off of the Emperor not being liked I assume they end when the Emperor dies. But what if the RNStalin decides that this Emperor is going to reign for 50+ years?

Armies can be separated to fit in smaller fleets...?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Right all the machines are dead, got most of it locked down now. Still dont know how they took over that planet mid colonisation, that puzzles me.

Im expecting the contingency to be the end game threat, given the sheer number of machine rebellions all over the galaxy, seems like people are just hammering down that road. Actually kind of exciting because ive never seen the Contingency before. Oh and two fallen empires have awoken so we will be getting the war in heaven soon no doubt.

[Impaled Nazarene]

So a real question for once.
If the Byzantines have a revolt located entirely on distant islands like Crete, Sardinia, Malta, and Cyprus and neither the Byzantines nor the revolters cannot put a large enough navy to invade what happens? Since most if not all revolts are based off of the Emperor not being liked I assume they end when the Emperor dies. But what if the RNStalin decides that this Emperor is going to reign for 50+ years?

Armies can be separated to fit in smaller fleets...?

I'm talking about the AI

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

So a real question for once.
If the Byzantines have a revolt located entirely on distant islands like Crete, Sardinia, Malta, and Cyprus and neither the Byzantines nor the revolters cannot put a large enough navy to invade what happens? Since most if not all revolts are based off of the Emperor not being liked I assume they end when the Emperor dies. But what if the RNStalin decides that this Emperor is going to reign for 50+ years?

I believe rebellions have automatic downward ticking warscore, so if nothing happens the rebels will eventually hit -100% and lose.

[Heloin]

There where no fleet size limits and you could declare war without a CB. It was a glorious time, terrible time.

I don't understand why "I just want their shit" isn't a good enough excuse to go to war? It's literally the most popular casus belli in human history. We've been doing it since we were still a Hunter-Gathering species. Let me be a warmonger, damn it.

Gameplay wise I sorta get it, I guess it's representing getting your people on board with the idea that dying over Silesia is a great idea. But dammit sometimes you have to march on Berlin right fucking now.

[Purpelia]

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There where no fleet size limits and you could declare war without a CB. It was a glorious time, terrible time.

I don't understand why "I just want their shit" isn't a good enough excuse to go to war? It's literally the most popular casus belli in human history. We've been doing it since we were still a Hunter-Gathering species. Let me be a warmonger, damn it.

I agree with you. But sadly paradox don't. It's the same thing with CK2. The game hasn't really been fun since about what ever patch came out with Charlemagne. For some bizarre reason they just started making map painting more and more difficult until they made it unfun.

[Cisairse]

imagine facing widespread criticism for releasing a barebones game with no content and then immediately releasing paid DLC to make the game not totally shallow

Imperator is really a disappointment

Well now I just feel stupid for actually liking the game. Am I? Please let me know.

Hey, you're never stupid for liking something. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. If you can find enjoyment in Imperator, good for you! I honestly wish that I could. In my opinion, it's a very bad game that Paradox should be ashamed of, but there's nothing about my opinion that means that you can't enjoy the game.

[North German Realm]

This is probably the first time in my few years playing this game that I've seen so many primitive cultures next to each other.

[Cisairse]

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That's the plan! Once I vassalize Muscovy, at least. Don't want competition. I competed with Nogai for successor status to the Golden Horde and it bit me in the ass in the long run...protip, joint partitions are really useful for scooping up easy land, but they create monsters that will ultimately want to slay you just as much as you want to slay them.

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I don't understand why "I just want their shit" isn't a good enough excuse to go to war? It's literally the most popular casus belli in human history. We've been doing it since we were still a Hunter-Gathering species. Let me be a warmonger, damn it.

I agree with you. But sadly paradox don't. It's the same thing with CK2. The game hasn't really been fun since about what ever patch came out with Charlemagne. For some bizarre reason they just started making map painting more and more difficult until they made it unfun.

Defensive coalitions were the worst addition to CK2, and I have them turned off in every playthrough.

I still feel like CK2 is the hardest paradox game to mappaint in, though. That or there's just some secret trick to mappainting that I haven't figured out yet, because I commonly see posts on here and pdoxplaza that seems WAY more ambitious than anything I've been able to accomplish in 300 hours of the game.

[Serrus]

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That's the plan! Once I vassalize Muscovy, at least. Don't want competition. I competed with Nogai for successor status to the Golden Horde and it bit me in the ass in the long run...protip, joint partitions are really useful for scooping up easy land, but they create monsters that will ultimately want to slay you just as much as you want to slay them.

I agree with you. But sadly paradox don't. It's the same thing with CK2. The game hasn't really been fun since about what ever patch came out with Charlemagne. For some bizarre reason they just started making map painting more and more difficult until they made it unfun.

Defensive coalitions were the worst addition to CK2, and I have them turned off in every playthrough.

I still feel like CK2 is the hardest paradox game to mappaint in, though. That or there's just some secret trick to mappainting that I haven't figured out yet, because I commonly see posts on here and pdoxplaza that seems WAY more ambitious than anything I've been able to accomplish in 300 hours of the game.

Here's what I've found
1) Germanic prepared invasions very much help you get that initial ball rolling, if you can use them.
2) Sometimes, claimants will just wind up in your court. If their title is below yours, you can land them and then their claims also become your vassal when you win.
3) Pagan subjugation CBs don't care whatsoever about title rank, so if you have the ability to use them, you can take out a weaker kingdom as a stronger independent duke.

[Cisairse]

That's the plan! Once I vassalize Muscovy, at least. Don't want competition. I competed with Nogai for successor status to the Golden Horde and it bit me in the ass in the long run...protip, joint partitions are really useful for scooping up easy land, but they create monsters that will ultimately want to slay you just as much as you want to slay them.



Defensive coalitions were the worst addition to CK2, and I have them turned off in every playthrough.

I still feel like CK2 is the hardest paradox game to mappaint in, though. That or there's just some secret trick to mappainting that I haven't figured out yet, because I commonly see posts on here and pdoxplaza that seems WAY more ambitious than anything I've been able to accomplish in 300 hours of the game.

Here's what I've found
1) Germanic prepared invasions very much help you get that initial ball rolling, if you can use them.
2) Sometimes, claimants will just wind up in your court. If their title is below yours, you can land them and then their claims also become your vassal when you win.
3) Pagan subjugation CBs don't care whatsoever about title rank, so if you have the ability to use them, you can take out a weaker kingdom as a stronger independent duke.

I've never played as a pagan, except for a brief (and horrificly unsuccessful) attempt as a Hellenic Byzantine Emperor. Is that the secret I've been missing??

[North German Realm]

Here's what I've found
1) Germanic prepared invasions very much help you get that initial ball rolling, if you can use them.
2) Sometimes, claimants will just wind up in your court. If their title is below yours, you can land them and then their claims also become your vassal when you win.
3) Pagan subjugation CBs don't care whatsoever about title rank, so if you have the ability to use them, you can take out a weaker kingdom as a stronger independent duke.

I've never played as a pagan, except for a brief (and horrificly unsuccessful) attempt as a Hellenic Byzantine Emperor. Is that the secret I've been missing??

Pagans, tribals and clans are much more successful in map-painting, at least early in the game. Later, if you play your cards right you can landgrab a lot by crusading.

[Cisairse]

I've never played as a pagan, except for a brief (and horrificly unsuccessful) attempt as a Hellenic Byzantine Emperor. Is that the secret I've been missing??

Pagans, tribals and clans are much more successful in map-painting, at least early in the game. Later, if you play your cards right you can landgrab a lot by crusading.

Interesting. I may have to try a pagan run, then. Are any pagans/tribes particularly interesting?

[Serrus]

Pagans, tribals and clans are much more successful in map-painting, at least early in the game. Later, if you play your cards right you can landgrab a lot by crusading.

Interesting. I may have to try a pagan run, then. Are any pagans/tribes particularly interesting?

769 Sorbia (use become king ambition and subjugate to victory) or Sjaelland (Subjugate Saxony because then you're huge and can just do whatever the hell you'd like) or Ireland in the earlier starts (Tribal catholics who don't have to use Gavelkind. Weird and neat.).

[Abserdia]

Pagans, tribals and clans are much more successful in map-painting, at least early in the game. Later, if you play your cards right you can landgrab a lot by crusading.

Interesting. I may have to try a pagan run, then. Are any pagans/tribes particularly interesting?

867, Haestenning or whatever the dude's name is, in Brittany. He has event troops and can easily exodus basically anywhere.
Although, he is feudal, so he doesn't have the tribal advantages.

[The Imperial Reach]

Pagans, tribals and clans are much more successful in map-painting, at least early in the game. Later, if you play your cards right you can landgrab a lot by crusading.

Interesting. I may have to try a pagan run, then. Are any pagans/tribes particularly interesting?

IMO, playing tribes is a bitch because of mandatory gavelkind and weaker holdings. Pagan is pretty meh but you're more or less stick with a lame County Conquest CB which isn't much. Only thing appealing about Pagans is concubines, raiding, and of course reformation.

[The Imperial Reach]

Pagans, tribals and clans are much more successful in map-painting, at least early in the game. Later, if you play your cards right you can landgrab a lot by crusading.

Interesting. I may have to try a pagan run, then. Are any pagans/tribes particularly interesting?

The Zunbils in 769 are an interesting start, but might be a bit challenging considering the Caliphate is literally on your doorstep.

[Valrifell]

Interesting. I may have to try a pagan run, then. Are any pagans/tribes particularly interesting?

The Zunbils in 769 are an interesting start, but might be a bit challenging considering the Caliphate is literally on your doorstep.

Do it for the Sun! \o/

[Cisairse]

Interesting. I may have to try a pagan run, then. Are any pagans/tribes particularly interesting?

769 Sorbia (use become king ambition and subjugate to victory) or Sjaelland (Subjugate Saxony because then you're huge and can just do whatever the hell you'd like) or Ireland in the earlier starts (Tribal catholics who don't have to use Gavelkind. Weird and neat.).

I play HIP, so no 769 start.

Non-gavelkind tribal Irish sounds hella fun, though

[Cisairse]

Interesting. I may have to try a pagan run, then. Are any pagans/tribes particularly interesting?

IMO, playing tribes is a bitch because of mandatory gavelkind and weaker holdings. Pagan is pretty meh but you're more or less stick with a lame County Conquest CB which isn't much. Only thing appealing about Pagans is concubines, raiding, and of course reformation.

Reformation does seem interesting. You get concubines with Muslim or Dharma rulers as well, so that's not too exciting.

[Serrus]

IMO, playing tribes is a bitch because of mandatory gavelkind and weaker holdings. Pagan is pretty meh but you're more or less stick with a lame County Conquest CB which isn't much. Only thing appealing about Pagans is concubines, raiding, and of course reformation.

Reformation does seem interesting. You get concubines with Muslim or Dharma rulers as well, so that's not too exciting.

No actually, Muslims have extra wives. Different and actually not as exciting.
Also gavelkind is not actually mandatory. Some of them get good elective laws, and Zunists can use ultimogeniture before reforming.