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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:10 am


I like the new supply system, adding railway lines and hubs imo is a great move.

Logistics has been the area ive wanted to see improved for a long time so im glad its getting a focus.
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The Huskar Social Union
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:13 am

But the question is, can the AI use this new system without shitting itself to death?
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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:17 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:

I like the new supply system, adding railway lines and hubs imo is a great move.

Logistics has been the area ive wanted to see improved for a long time so im glad its getting a focus.

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Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:34 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Logistics has been the area ive wanted to see improved for a long time so im glad its getting a focus.

The Karelian front will definitely be more interesting now. :p If Finland can take Petrozavodsk and starve the entire Soviet far northern front of supplies... well.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:57 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:But the question is, can the AI use this new system without shitting itself to death?


I'm assuming they'll be improving the AI, or trying to, this patch given its focused on land warfare.
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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:30 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:But the question is, can the AI use this new system without shitting itself to death?

Why ask when you already know the answer?

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Postby Ithalian Empire » Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:41 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:But the question is, can the AI use this new system without shitting itself to death?

Of course it will shit itself to death, its paradox ai.
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Postby Renoa » Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:25 pm

Ithalian Empire wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:But the question is, can the AI use this new system without shitting itself to death?

Of course it will shit itself to death, its paradox ai.

Now now, they might go with the other Paradox school of AI intelligence, namely "it's impossible for the AI for figure it out so we're not going to make it apply to them."
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:28 pm


Barbarossa’ and the unannounced DLC will focus on the Eastern Front

EEEEEEEE!!!
SOVIET UPDATE!SOVIET UPDATE!SOVIET UPDATE!SOVIET UPDATE!SOVIET UPDATE!

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Postby Ithalian Empire » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:36 pm

Genivaria wrote:

Barbarossa’ and the unannounced DLC will focus on the Eastern Front

EEEEEEEE!!!
SOVIET UPDATE!SOVIET UPDATE!SOVIET UPDATE!SOVIET UPDATE!SOVIET UPDATE!


Cant wait for another alternate German focus tree.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:26 pm

Ithalian Empire wrote:
Genivaria wrote:
EEEEEEEE!!!
SOVIET UPDATE!SOVIET UPDATE!SOVIET UPDATE!SOVIET UPDATE!SOVIET UPDATE!


Cant wait for another alternate German focus tree.


What are they gonna do next for Germany, they don't have any other paths missing-

Wait a minute, shit.

We're missing communist Germany aren't we. Fuck.
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Postby Ithalian Empire » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:13 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
Ithalian Empire wrote:
Cant wait for another alternate German focus tree.


What are they gonna do next for Germany, they don't have any other paths missing-

Wait a minute, shit.

We're missing communist Germany aren't we. Fuck.


Sorry, there will never be a soviet update to the shitty wwii game.
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Postby Heloin » Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:07 pm

Renoa wrote:
Ithalian Empire wrote:Of course it will shit itself to death, its paradox ai.

Now now, they might go with the other Paradox school of AI intelligence, namely "it's impossible for the AI for figure it out so we're not going to make it apply to them."

There are people who don't know why there is an impassable wall in the Sahara and I'm happy for them.

Genivaria wrote:

Barbarossa’ and the unannounced DLC will focus on the Eastern Front

EEEEEEEE!!!
SOVIET UPDATE!SOVIET UPDATE!SOVIET UPDATE!SOVIET UPDATE!SOVIET UPDATE!

*announces Baltic and Finnish focus trees*

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Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:23 pm

Heloin wrote:*announces Baltic and Finnish focus trees*

It would be utterly hilarious if the Baltic States get focus trees before the Soviets get a rework.
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The Huskar Social Union
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:40 am

Northern Socialist Council Republics wrote:
Heloin wrote:*announces Baltic and Finnish focus trees*

It would be utterly hilarious if the Baltic States get focus trees before the Soviets get a rework.

I would genuinely flip a table

Finland getting one sure yeah i wouldnt mind that. But the Baltics? Come on now
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Postby Bralia » Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:45 am

Y'know, I seriously wouldn't be surprised to learn Baltic focus trees are coming . . . alongside the Soviet rework. You people are so overdramatic.
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The Restored Danelaw
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Postby The Restored Danelaw » Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:46 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Northern Socialist Council Republics wrote:It would be utterly hilarious if the Baltic States get focus trees before the Soviets get a rework.

I would genuinely flip a table

Finland getting one sure yeah i wouldnt mind that. But the Baltics? Come on now

The Baltics given op focus trees where they can push Russia back to Volga, the Poles back to Hungary and the Germans back to Elbe?
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Yorwick Daily: Kingly Heere takes Sanct James. Nahowland gives up the Crig in Miscitoland after nearly half a year of fighting. | Spanning breaks out between the Gemeanwealth and China when HMS Siegfried sinks down 3 Chineish boats wrongfully sailing in Angledanish waters near Eadwardhaven. | OFN's General Forsamling sheds to 'deal with the Crisis in Indey'. Japan, the Danelaw, New England give the Farmers' regearing in Indey a Lastsay until July 1 to give up to the Regearingstrue in Hyderabad "or else." | Gang Shao, China's President comes out ill with a deadly shape of forstanderscrab. Loremen warn that an Eld of Criglords may be forthcoming in China if Shao dies before naming an erfollower.
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The Huskar Social Union
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:48 am

The Restored Danelaw wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:I would genuinely flip a table

Finland getting one sure yeah i wouldnt mind that. But the Baltics? Come on now

The Baltics given op focus trees where they can push Russia back to Volga, the Poles back to Hungary and the Germans back to Elbe?

Sure just have Estonia be able to form the Scandinavian Empire where they annex is a ton of countries with no repercussions ever and everyone is just fine with it.

You know like how people can restore Byzantium or the Roman Empire and everyone in those areas is just like "sure why not, im roman now despite the fact this is 1942 Yugoslavia"
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:08 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
The Restored Danelaw wrote:The Baltics given op focus trees where they can push Russia back to Volga, the Poles back to Hungary and the Germans back to Elbe?

Sure just have Estonia be able to form the Scandinavian Empire where they annex is a ton of countries with no repercussions ever and everyone is just fine with it.

You know like how people can restore Byzantium or the Roman Empire and everyone in those areas is just like "sure why not, im roman now despite the fact this is 1942 Yugoslavia"

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Postby Ithalian Empire » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:08 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
The Restored Danelaw wrote:The Baltics given op focus trees where they can push Russia back to Volga, the Poles back to Hungary and the Germans back to Elbe?

Sure just have Estonia be able to form the Scandinavian Empire where they annex is a ton of countries with no repercussions ever and everyone is just fine with it.

You know like how people can restore Byzantium or the Roman Empire and everyone in those areas is just like "sure why not, im roman now despite the fact this is 1942 Yugoslavia"


This is why HOI IV is kinda lame in my opinion. Its like my decision to annex shit dosent have any weight after
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Postby The Restored Danelaw » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:11 am

Ithalian Empire wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Sure just have Estonia be able to form the Scandinavian Empire where they annex is a ton of countries with no repercussions ever and everyone is just fine with it.

You know like how people can restore Byzantium or the Roman Empire and everyone in those areas is just like "sure why not, im roman now despite the fact this is 1942 Yugoslavia"


This is why HOI IV is kinda lame in my opinion. Its like my decision to annex shit dosent have any weight after

The period it should rightfully have any sort of weight in is like, exactly 2-3 years after the timeframe of HOI IV ends lol. Mind you it's not like your annexation actually have that much of a weight in other PDX games, other than their respective flavour of infamy.
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Postby Ithalian Empire » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:16 am

The Restored Danelaw wrote:
Ithalian Empire wrote:
This is why HOI IV is kinda lame in my opinion. Its like my decision to annex shit dosent have any weight after

The period it should rightfully have any sort of weight in is like, exactly 2-3 years after the timeframe of HOI IV ends lol. Mind you it's not like your annexation actually have that much of a weight in other PDX games, other than their respective flavour of infamy.


CK2 feels a little better, especially if provinces you conquer are another religion. Stellaris feels better as well when conquering stuff.

I just feel for a game that about the largest conflict in human history it does a poor job of feeling like it save for when the lag spikes start.
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Postby The Restored Danelaw » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:21 am

Ithalian Empire wrote:
The Restored Danelaw wrote:The period it should rightfully have any sort of weight in is like, exactly 2-3 years after the timeframe of HOI IV ends lol. Mind you it's not like your annexation actually have that much of a weight in other PDX games, other than their respective flavour of infamy.


CK2 feels a little better, especially if provinces you conquer are another religion. Stellaris feels better as well when conquering stuff.

I just feel for a game that about the largest conflict in human history it does a poor job of feeling like it save for when the lag spikes start.

Keep in mind, virtually nothing about HOI 4 is actually close to the utter nightmare that WWII was (in every field, from boring crimes against humanity matters to logistics, joint planning, etc.), so it stands to reason it wouldn't have the same feel. Do most world wars even survive until 1945 anyway.
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Yorwick Daily: Kingly Heere takes Sanct James. Nahowland gives up the Crig in Miscitoland after nearly half a year of fighting. | Spanning breaks out between the Gemeanwealth and China when HMS Siegfried sinks down 3 Chineish boats wrongfully sailing in Angledanish waters near Eadwardhaven. | OFN's General Forsamling sheds to 'deal with the Crisis in Indey'. Japan, the Danelaw, New England give the Farmers' regearing in Indey a Lastsay until July 1 to give up to the Regearingstrue in Hyderabad "or else." | Gang Shao, China's President comes out ill with a deadly shape of forstanderscrab. Loremen warn that an Eld of Criglords may be forthcoming in China if Shao dies before naming an erfollower.
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Postby Bralia » Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:18 am

Ithalian Empire wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Sure just have Estonia be able to form the Scandinavian Empire where they annex is a ton of countries with no repercussions ever and everyone is just fine with it.

You know like how people can restore Byzantium or the Roman Empire and everyone in those areas is just like "sure why not, im roman now despite the fact this is 1942 Yugoslavia"


This is why HOI IV is kinda lame in my opinion. Its like my decision to annex shit dosent have any weight after

Well, yeah. The entire game is designed around "one" global war that ends in only ~5 years. And that's because when the war's over, the war's over.

I don't blame anyone for not liking HoI4 for your reason, I'm not a big fan of HoI4 either for similar reasons, but it's not a flaw of the game.
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