PDX Games IX: Western Pre-Turkic Empire

[The Rich Port]

In CK3 they changed "Oldest Child Succession" and "Youngest Child Succession" back to Primogeniture and Ultimogeniture

I guess Americans found replacing terms too hard. Why did they feel that was necessary

[Serrus]

I don't get why everyone hates Gavelkind tbh. At worst, it'll mean your dynasty score will raise more quickly and you'll need to spend the first few years of your reign assassinating people, at best it's a centuries-long challenge (and it really only takes until you get late feudal law, so not really that hard anyway). Maybe Partition'll be different than Gavelkind tho so idk.

Because it's basically a system when every time you die the game tells you to **** off and undoes all you spent hours if not days building.

Every time your ruler dies I literally see that stupid paradox dog mascot popping up on screen saying:
"Oh, I see you are building a nice little kingdom / empire there. That sounds like so much fun. Well we can't have that now can we?"

And yes, it's historically accurate. But so what? Accuracy must take a step back to fun otherwise what's the point?

People would get angry. Trust me, 'tis why I only really discuss these games with you guys.
Also do you really want the Karlings to lock down all of Europe for the entire game?

In CK3 they changed "Oldest Child Succession" and "Youngest Child Succession" back to Primogeniture and Ultimogeniture

I guess Americans found replacing terms too hard. Why did they feel that was necessary

Tried to go too newb-friendly I guess?

[Bralia]

Ways to make Gavelkind work for you:

- If you have multiple titles of the same tier and if your title is the strongest of the bunch, press your strong claim the second you rise to the throne. No need to risk kinslaying unless the opposite is the case.
- If you own a high title and multiple lower titles, seek to put an end to that. Make an effort to centralize what you directly control. The titles you lose in this scenario are the hardest to get back.
- If you own a high title, with one capital duchy you're golden. You can always plot to yoink capital counties back into your possession.

[Serrus]

Ways to make Gavelkind work for you:

- If you have multiple titles of the same tier and if your title is the strongest of the bunch, press your strong claim the second you rise to the throne. No need to risk kinslaying unless the opposite is the case.
- If you own a high title and multiple lower titles, seek to put an end to that. Make an effort to centralize what you directly control. The titles you lose in this scenario are the hardest to get back.
- If you own a high title, with one capital duchy you're golden. You can always plot to yoink capital counties back into your possession.

That's kind of the way I handle realm management. Every vassal duke is a count given their de jure duchy title, so my vassals stay nice and orderly. However, I do usually partition out my capital duchy that I hold in the same way, so I'm only holding one county. If I ever make it to emperor, I parcel out kingdom titles in the same fashion-- keeping one for myself and handing out the rest. It actually causes surprisingly little factional strife. And all my vassals like me because I'm constantly handing out titles/they don't desire anything because I already gave it to them.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Ways to make Gavelkind work for you:

- If you have multiple titles of the same tier and if your title is the strongest of the bunch, press your strong claim the second you rise to the throne. No need to risk kinslaying unless the opposite is the case.
- If you own a high title and multiple lower titles, seek to put an end to that. Make an effort to centralize what you directly control. The titles you lose in this scenario are the hardest to get back.
- If you own a high title, with one capital duchy you're golden. You can always plot to yoink capital counties back into your possession.

That's kind of the way I handle realm management. Every vassal duke is a count given their de jure duchy title, so my vassals stay nice and orderly. However, I do usually partition out my capital duchy that I hold in the same way, so I'm only holding one county. If I ever make it to emperor, I parcel out kingdom titles in the same fashion-- keeping one for myself and handing out the rest. It actually causes surprisingly little factional strife. And all my vassals like me because I'm constantly handing out titles/they don't desire anything because I already gave it to them.

I always try to keep the duchy around my capital myself and pawn off all the rest.

[Sildorian Empire]

That's kind of the way I handle realm management. Every vassal duke is a count given their de jure duchy title, so my vassals stay nice and orderly. However, I do usually partition out my capital duchy that I hold in the same way, so I'm only holding one county. If I ever make it to emperor, I parcel out kingdom titles in the same fashion-- keeping one for myself and handing out the rest. It actually causes surprisingly little factional strife. And all my vassals like me because I'm constantly handing out titles/they don't desire anything because I already gave it to them.

I always try to keep the duchy around my capital myself and pawn off all the rest.

Yeah I always make a point of absorbing as much land as I possibly can (by nomming neighboring territories, wars or just begging for land if I'm a vassal) to make sure the capital duchy remains intact.

[The Rich Port]

Because it's basically a system when every time you die the game tells you to **** off and undoes all you spent hours if not days building.

Every time your ruler dies I literally see that stupid paradox dog mascot popping up on screen saying:
"Oh, I see you are building a nice little kingdom / empire there. That sounds like so much fun. Well we can't have that now can we?"

And yes, it's historically accurate. But so what? Accuracy must take a step back to fun otherwise what's the point?

People would get angry. Trust me, 'tis why I only really discuss these games with you guys.
Also do you really want the Karlings to lock down all of Europe for the entire game?

I guess Americans found replacing terms too hard. Why did they feel that was necessary

Tried to go too newb-friendly I guess?

I literally played CK2 like a year before I met you and it didn't take me very long at all to figure out that Ultimogeniture means youngest inherits and Primogeniture is oldest inherits.

They're literally just two words. How hard is that.

I mean yeah maybe Dark Syde Phil would have problems but last I checked Dark Syde Phil doesn't even attempt to play strategy games.

[Purpelia]

People would get angry. Trust me, 'tis why I only really discuss these games with you guys.
Also do you really want the Karlings to lock down all of Europe for the entire game?

What I want is a game option that goes: "Disable gravelkin for human players only." That would make me happy.

[Serrus]

People would get angry. Trust me, 'tis why I only really discuss these games with you guys.
Also do you really want the Karlings to lock down all of Europe for the entire game?

What I want is a game option that goes: "Disable gravelkin for human players only." That would make me happy.

I'm surprised no one's modded that in. Also it's gavelkind.

[Heloin]

What I want is a game option that goes: "Disable gravelkin for human players only." That would make me happy.

I'm surprised no one's modded that in. Also it's gavelkind.

Gravelkin is Purpelia's fursona.

[Purpelia]

What I want is a game option that goes: "Disable gravelkin for human players only." That would make me happy.

I'm surprised no one's modded that in. Also it's gavelkind.

It's a strange made up word that I can't pronounce or spell for a thing I dislike deeply. So I genuinely do not care.

[Ithalian Empire]

I don't get why everyone hates Gavelkind tbh. At worst, it'll mean your dynasty score will raise more quickly and you'll need to spend the first few years of your reign assassinating people, at best it's a centuries-long challenge (and it really only takes until you get late feudal law, so not really that hard anyway). Maybe Partition'll be different than Gavelkind tho so idk.

Because it's basically a system when every time you die the game tells you to **** off and undoes all you spent hours if not days building.

Every time your ruler dies I literally see that stupid paradox dog mascot popping up on screen saying:
"Oh, I see you are building a nice little kingdom / empire there. That sounds like so much fun. Well we can't have that now can we?"

And yes, it's historically accurate. But so what? Accuracy must take a step back to fun otherwise what's the point?

Because I have fun playing a strategy game set within a historical time period to have as much of the flavor of that period as possible. Even if it mean my empire falls apart when my bad ass conqueror dies so be it, its all in the role playing for me. If i just wanted to paint the map my color there HOI 4, Imperator and EUIV for that.

[Purpelia]

Because I have fun playing a strategy game set within a historical time period to have as much of the flavor of that period as possible. Even if it mean my empire falls apart when my bad ass conqueror dies so be it, its all in the role playing for me. If i just wanted to paint the map my color there HOI 4, Imperator and EUIV for that.

So I assume you would like say a system where every order you make takes months in game to reach your vassals? Or one where the common cold can kill your ruler? There is a limit as to how much accuracy you can take before the game becomes unfun.

[Ithalian Empire]

Because I have fun playing a strategy game set within a historical time period to have as much of the flavor of that period as possible. Even if it mean my empire falls apart when my bad ass conqueror dies so be it, its all in the role playing for me. If i just wanted to paint the map my color there HOI 4, Imperator and EUIV for that.

So I assume you would like say a system where every order you make takes months in game to reach your vassals? Or one where the common cold can kill your ruler? There is a limit as to how much accuracy you can take before the game becomes unfun.

Honestly I could vibe with that.

[The Huskar Social Union]

So if you end up getting CK3, where are you gona play first?

It will be the boring choice, but if i pick it up im going to Ireland, specifically Ulster.

[Ithalian Empire]

So if you end up getting CK3, where are you gona play first?

It will be the boring choice, but if i pick it up im going to Ireland, specifically Ulster.

I enjoy playing in England, so that's where I'll play first.

[The Huskar Social Union]

So if you end up getting CK3, where are you gona play first?

It will be the boring choice, but if i pick it up im going to Ireland, specifically Ulster.

I enjoy playing in England, so that's where I'll play first.

What start date you going for? 1066 or 867?

[Andsed]

So if you end up getting CK3, where are you gona play first?

It will be the boring choice, but if i pick it up im going to Ireland, specifically Ulster.

The Byzantines because I want to get that authentic Roman emperor experience of having no clue what the fuck is going on as everything goes up in flames.

[The Huskar Social Union]

So if you end up getting CK3, where are you gona play first?

It will be the boring choice, but if i pick it up im going to Ireland, specifically Ulster.

The Byzantines because I want to get that authentic Roman emperor experience of having no clue what the fuck is going on as everything goes up in flames.

Hmm, i see you have chosen the "Death" option in "Cake or Death?"

[Ithalian Empire]

I enjoy playing in England, so that's where I'll play first.

What start date you going for? 1066 or 867?

1066. If they let us have some control over our start date beyond the bookmarks I might push the start date to just before Henry II comes along.

[Andsed]

The Byzantines because I want to get that authentic Roman emperor experience of having no clue what the fuck is going on as everything goes up in flames.

Hmm, i see you have chosen the "Death" option in "Cake or Death?"

Well what better way is there to get to know a game by just throwing yourself into the fire and either dying or surviving through both massive amount of luck and sheer fucking force of will?

[Heloin]

So if you end up getting CK3, where are you gona play first?

It will be the boring choice, but if i pick it up im going to Ireland, specifically Ulster.

My first game I played in CK1 was in Connacht. My First game in CK2 was in Connacht. CK3 will carry on this tradition.

[The Imperial Reach]

I'm surprised no one's modded that in. Also it's gavelkind.

It's a strange made up word that I can't pronounce or spell for a thing I dislike deeply. So I genuinely do not care.

Bro.

1. It isn't made up. It's an English word that originated in an Old Irish word that meant "Family Settlement".
2. It's essentially a combination of the words "gavel" and "kind" and is presumably pronounced as it is written.

[Ithalian Empire]

It's a strange made up word that I can't pronounce or spell for a thing I dislike deeply. So I genuinely do not care.

Bro.

1. It isn't made up. It's an English word that originated in an Old Irish word that meant "Family Settlement".
2. It's essentially a combination of the words "gavel" and "kind" and is presumably pronounced as it is written.

Okay but it keeps him from blobbing so its bad.

[Abserdia]

So if you end up getting CK3, where are you gona play first?

It will be the boring choice, but if i pick it up im going to Ireland, specifically Ulster.

Italy, Iberia, western Africa, and Myanmar/Burma are all the most interesting spots to me. So I guess whichever of those 4 I'm feeling when it comes out.