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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:37 am

Renoa wrote:Tfw your own wife kidnaps you for no reason and makes you pay 250 gold to leave.

and then does it again a few years later

She must be amazing in bed to be able to get away with this, especially more than once. If it keeps happening and it proves to be more than just an inconvenience, her skull is going to end up sitting on my mantle.

If you wont give her money to buy things she is gona resort to desperate measures.
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Postby The Imperial Reach » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:34 am

Renoa wrote:Tfw your own wife kidnaps you for no reason and makes you pay 250 gold to leave.

and then does it again a few years later

She must be amazing in bed to be able to get away with this, especially more than once. If it keeps happening and it proves to be more than just an inconvenience, her skull is going to end up sitting on my mantle.


Considering she's gay she clearly just wants you out of the house so she can have lez parties.
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Postby Serrus » Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:35 am

Katganistan wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:maybe japan wanted the zombie attack.

Possible. Zombies are cool now.

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Postby Bralia » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:21 am

I Haesteinned the Byzantine emperor. I drove him to lunacy, to extraordinary debt, and I'll take credit for inflicting the pox upon him. And here I was tense the whole time, my territory in Brittany constantly threatened by stacks of assault troopers.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:32 am

Bralia wrote:I Haesteinned the Byzantine emperor. I drove him to lunacy, to extraordinary debt, and I'll take credit for inflicting the pox upon him. And here I was tense the whole time, my territory in Brittany constantly threatened by stacks of assault troopers.


Why is Haesteinn now a verb what does it mean Bralia
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:50 am

Bralia wrote:I Haesteinned the Byzantine emperor. I drove him to lunacy, to extraordinary debt, and I'll take credit for inflicting the pox upon him. And here I was tense the whole time, my territory in Brittany constantly threatened by stacks of assault troopers.


Why don't you have Miklagard?!
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Postby Serrus » Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:08 pm

Bralia wrote:I Haesteinned the Byzantine emperor. I drove him to lunacy, to extraordinary debt, and I'll take credit for inflicting the pox upon him. And here I was tense the whole time, my territory in Brittany constantly threatened by stacks of assault troopers.

Can I have a guide for properly invading?
Katganistan wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:maybe japan wanted the zombie attack.

Possible. Zombies are cool now.

Eastern Raarothorgren wrote:News websites are good and reasonable soruces of information or they would not be on the internet if they were saying things that were incorrect.

This is why rules exist, kids!
Keshiland wrote:I am yes arguing that the 1st 4 are not binding to the states and yes I know that in most Republican states they would ban the freedom of religion and the freedom of essembally but I don't live there and I hate guns!

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Postby Purpelia » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:11 pm

I just hate CK2 right now. Am stuck being unable to do anything as all my vassals are malcontents and I can't change my council because all the candidates are malcontents as well. Like what the hell? Is there literally nobody in my realm that likes me?
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Postby Abserdia » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:14 pm

Purpelia wrote:I just hate CK2 right now. Am stuck being unable to do anything as all my vassals are malcontents and I can't change my council because all the candidates are malcontents as well. Like what the hell? Is there literally nobody in my realm that likes me?

Have you considered the oubliette?
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Postby The Imperial Reach » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:42 pm

Purpelia wrote:I just hate CK2 right now. Am stuck being unable to do anything as all my vassals are malcontents and I can't change my council because all the candidates are malcontents as well. Like what the hell? Is there literally nobody in my realm that likes me?


This is the part where you turn into a psychotic tyrant whose reign is defined by frequent rebellions, assassinations, and executions.

If they won't love you, you have to make them fear you.
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The Imperial Reach wrote:I've encountered this event maybe 4 times and I've never lost - not even once. Even the one time when I had no skill-related options, I still won.

Stop giving me more reasons to hate you
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Postby Bralia » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:58 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
Bralia wrote:I Haesteinned the Byzantine emperor. I drove him to lunacy, to extraordinary debt, and I'll take credit for inflicting the pox upon him. And here I was tense the whole time, my territory in Brittany constantly threatened by stacks of assault troopers.


Why is Haesteinn now a verb what does it mean Bralia

Hard to translate into English. Just play as Haesteinn and you will understand when you travel halfway across the map and go full berserk for any dumb title you want.

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Bralia wrote:I Haesteinned the Byzantine emperor. I drove him to lunacy, to extraordinary debt, and I'll take credit for inflicting the pox upon him. And here I was tense the whole time, my territory in Brittany constantly threatened by stacks of assault troopers.


Why don't you have Miklagard?!

I wanted the Kingdom of Greece, Constantinople is in the Kingdom of Thrace. I might go for Thrace eventually, my only real goal is to play in the region without having to deal with Byzantine bullshit.

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Bralia wrote:I Haesteinned the Byzantine emperor. I drove him to lunacy, to extraordinary debt, and I'll take credit for inflicting the pox upon him. And here I was tense the whole time, my territory in Brittany constantly threatened by stacks of assault troopers.

Can I have a guide for properly invading?

I've literally only done it twice now as the same character, so my experience is limited: There are some requirements, like having 1000 prestige, being a very small nation, etc. and Haesteinn starts with all of them fulfilled. Haesteinn is especially perfect for invasions due to his high martial ability, the higher your martial, the more people will join you in your invasion. There isn't much more to it than identifying where you want to play in the world and picking a kingdom title you want. There are some restrictions, though, the kingdom title can't be too small NOR can it be too big (couldn't take Andalusia last time I played). You should also identify which provinces you want for your demesne, you'll want to make sure to siege down those provinces entirely and in particular so you'll acquire those provinces directly.

After the war's over, depending on the strength of your new home base you can just start going around punching for even more land like I did in my Portuguese invasion not too long ago, I completely ignored the truce-breaking maluses and set up a realm that couldn't be stopped. Alternatively, if you're in a hot zone like the middle east, it might be wise to submit and assimilate into an empire in the region and you can just play as a vassal king in the area where there perhaps wasn't one before. That was actually the original plan for my current game, but then I remembered that Byzantine laws are hell.
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Hearts of Iron IV Producer Is Being Deported Over Former Employer's Error

HOI4 dev team member is set to be deported as her last employer didnt pay fees for social security and pension during a trial period so her work permit renewal was denied. Paradox has hired a lawyer to appeal the decision so hope it goes well for her.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:58 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Hearts of Iron IV Producer Is Being Deported Over Former Employer's Error

HOI4 dev team member is set to be deported as her last employer didnt pay fees for social security and pension during a trial period so her work permit renewal was denied. Paradox has hired a lawyer to appeal the decision so hope it goes well for her.


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Postby Serrus » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:48 am

Bralia wrote:
Serrus wrote:Can I have a guide for properly invading?

I've literally only done it twice now as the same character, so my experience is limited: There are some requirements, like having 1000 prestige, being a very small nation, etc. and Haesteinn starts with all of them fulfilled. Haesteinn is especially perfect for invasions due to his high martial ability, the higher your martial, the more people will join you in your invasion. There isn't much more to it than identifying where you want to play in the world and picking a kingdom title you want. There are some restrictions, though, the kingdom title can't be too small NOR can it be too big (couldn't take Andalusia last time I played). You should also identify which provinces you want for your demesne, you'll want to make sure to siege down those provinces entirely and in particular so you'll acquire those provinces directly.

After the war's over, depending on the strength of your new home base you can just start going around punching for even more land like I did in my Portuguese invasion not too long ago, I completely ignored the truce-breaking maluses and set up a realm that couldn't be stopped. Alternatively, if you're in a hot zone like the middle east, it might be wise to submit and assimilate into an empire in the region and you can just play as a vassal king in the area where there perhaps wasn't one before. That was actually the original plan for my current game, but then I remembered that Byzantine laws are hell.

I meant specifically how did you invade the Byzantines successfully.
Katganistan wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:maybe japan wanted the zombie attack.

Possible. Zombies are cool now.

Eastern Raarothorgren wrote:News websites are good and reasonable soruces of information or they would not be on the internet if they were saying things that were incorrect.

This is why rules exist, kids!
Keshiland wrote:I am yes arguing that the 1st 4 are not binding to the states and yes I know that in most Republican states they would ban the freedom of religion and the freedom of essembally but I don't live there and I hate guns!

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
You glorifted ducking wanabe sea pheasant

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Postby Bralia » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:53 am

Serrus wrote:
Bralia wrote:I've literally only done it twice now as the same character, so my experience is limited: There are some requirements, like having 1000 prestige, being a very small nation, etc. and Haesteinn starts with all of them fulfilled. Haesteinn is especially perfect for invasions due to his high martial ability, the higher your martial, the more people will join you in your invasion. There isn't much more to it than identifying where you want to play in the world and picking a kingdom title you want. There are some restrictions, though, the kingdom title can't be too small NOR can it be too big (couldn't take Andalusia last time I played). You should also identify which provinces you want for your demesne, you'll want to make sure to siege down those provinces entirely and in particular so you'll acquire those provinces directly.

After the war's over, depending on the strength of your new home base you can just start going around punching for even more land like I did in my Portuguese invasion not too long ago, I completely ignored the truce-breaking maluses and set up a realm that couldn't be stopped. Alternatively, if you're in a hot zone like the middle east, it might be wise to submit and assimilate into an empire in the region and you can just play as a vassal king in the area where there perhaps wasn't one before. That was actually the original plan for my current game, but then I remembered that Byzantine laws are hell.

I meant specifically how did you invade the Byzantines successfully.

~10K troops is precisely enough to handle the Byzantine Empire in 867. You just can't afford lose a battle. I did have to reload once because of that. Otherwise, there's a decent amount of shipping back and forth between sieging Greece and relieving Brittany, but it's pretty easy to handle if you've got a good idea of what you can get away with considering travel time.

Don't even worry if/when Georgia, Bulgaria, or Epirus join against you, they don't merge all of their troops together, making them easy enough to handle separately.
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Postby Bralia » Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:18 pm

Just one of those moments when I've spent so much time staying in my corner of the map that, when I look up, I see an absolutely monster that wasn't there before.

This game has been quite unusual, Catholicism is dying, but they actually survived much longer than usual for an early start, leading to an actual successful abomination crusade.

And the Byzantine Empire has been uncharacteristically relatively stable to the point that they've actually had the opportunity to be expansionist. I guess the loss of Greece effectively reduced the amount of powerful vassals that would normally get mad and cripple the Emperor. This has proven to make for quite the exciting game, the Byzantines and I have been pretty much evenly matched all game, I've required mercs and/or allies every single time.
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Postby Renoa » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:45 pm

Ya'll ever accidentally an empire before?

I noticed one of my fellow HRE vassals created a faction to install me as the HREmperor. I joined it for shits and giggles, not expecting the guy to actually press the issue, even more not expecting him to actually succeed.

So yeah, now instead of gently puttering along for the last few years until the endgame, I now have to sort this clusterfuckian nightmare of a realm that encompasses almost everything between Amsterdam and the Urals.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:35 am

Bralia wrote:Just one of those moments when I've spent so much time staying in my corner of the map that, when I look up, I see an absolutely monster that wasn't there before.

This game has been quite unusual, Catholicism is dying, but they actually survived much longer than usual for an early start, leading to an actual successful abomination crusade.

And the Byzantine Empire has been uncharacteristically relatively stable to the point that they've actually had the opportunity to be expansionist. I guess the loss of Greece effectively reduced the amount of powerful vassals that would normally get mad and cripple the Emperor. This has proven to make for quite the exciting game, the Byzantines and I have been pretty much evenly matched all game, I've required mercs and/or allies every single time.

Fact: If you try expanding into Byzantium they will magically suffer 0 civil wars and their emperors will all reign for decades.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:14 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Bralia wrote:Just one of those moments when I've spent so much time staying in my corner of the map that, when I look up, I see an absolutely monster that wasn't there before.

This game has been quite unusual, Catholicism is dying, but they actually survived much longer than usual for an early start, leading to an actual successful abomination crusade.

And the Byzantine Empire has been uncharacteristically relatively stable to the point that they've actually had the opportunity to be expansionist. I guess the loss of Greece effectively reduced the amount of powerful vassals that would normally get mad and cripple the Emperor. This has proven to make for quite the exciting game, the Byzantines and I have been pretty much evenly matched all game, I've required mercs and/or allies every single time.

Fact: If you try expanding into Byzantium they will magically suffer 0 civil wars and their emperors will all reign for decades.

Only Byzantine Vassals are allowed to attack the Emperor. No one else.
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Postby Renoa » Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:30 pm

A few months into me being Emperor, literally all of my king level vassals declared an independence war against me, once again proving that no one except me should ever be allowed to own land, and those who are given land anyway and subsequently use it against me should be forced to eat their own intestines, or suffer some even worse fate if that doesn't seem like it would be satisfying enough to watch.

I just wanted to be king of Italy, man, Is that so much to ask?
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Postby Bralia » Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:25 am

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:01 am

Irish Nationalist from Belfast / Leftwing / Atheist / Alliance Party voter
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:55 am

Renoa wrote:A few months into me being Emperor, literally all of my king level vassals declared an independence war against me, once again proving that no one except me should ever be allowed to own land, and those who are given land anyway and subsequently use it against me should be forced to eat their own intestines, or suffer some even worse fate if that doesn't seem like it would be satisfying enough to watch.

I just wanted to be king of Italy, man, Is that so much to ask?


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