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Europa Universalis
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Crusader Kings
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Stellaris
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One of those weird "published by PDX" games that nobody ever talks about here
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Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:41 am


It mentioned that stuck-up bitch Mathilda of Tuscany and it’s literally unreadable now.
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Licana
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Postby Licana » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:45 am

I hate the AI

Grenartia wrote:How does the new Stellaris update play? Has the late-game lag been improved?

I've noticed some improvements, but the late game still chugs quite a bit. I tend to play on large size galaxies though.
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So was the M-16.

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:47 am


No mention of a Loyalist Faction, much disappoint.

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The Huskar Social Union
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:51 am

Licana wrote:I hate the AI

Grenartia wrote:How does the new Stellaris update play? Has the late-game lag been improved?

I've noticed some improvements, but the late game still chugs quite a bit. I tend to play on large size galaxies though.

"What if i ran this station into the ground? haha only joking.. unless?"
-AI probably

Genivaria wrote:

No mention of a Loyalist Faction, much disappoint.
Would like to see it. It was a good idea for the game of thrones mod.
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North German Realm
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Postby North German Realm » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:14 am

Dome Artan wrote:It's good that revolters don't form a new realm in revolt at least

Yeah, at least you won't accidentally wed your fucking heir to the heir to a county-level territory that is king-tier because he's the cunt leading an independence revolt that's inevitably going to fail lmao.
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:14 am

Ayy I did it

Beat the scourge with the Varelive Arbitrators (they did most of the work beacuse the scourge spawned on the other side of the galaxy)

Also a federation formed early game but mid game it broke apart for some reason. The birbs who where part of the fed where at one pont a great aly, until they started to be dicks. They also called my nation "primitive" when we where kicking there ass tech wise.

With a massive fleet we liberated many solar systems from the birb tyranny. We also invaded liberated a birb colony from there dictatorship in the only land battle of the war. It wasn't taken fully post war sadly, didn't have enough influence to stake a claim on it. (and yes I did play that very song when they surrendered to the light of liberty that is the United Nations of Earth)

post birb war screenshot of some of the fleets post scourge curb stomp screenshot of most of my fleets.
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Postby Renoa » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:12 pm

My character survived the black plague sweeping over his realm with nary a scratch (other than when he killed and ate a courtier but let's not talk about that), only to contract it and die when I opened the gates because he was a councilor in the Kaiser's realm which still had the plague.

Feels.
Bad.
Man.
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Renoa
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Postby Renoa » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:12 pm

My character survived the black plague sweeping over his realm with nary a scratch (other than when he killed and ate a courtier but let's not talk about that), only to contract it and die when I opened the gates because he was a councilor in the Kaiser's realm which still had the plague.

Feels.
Bad.
Man.
It's been several years and I'm still the Paradox Thread's Self-Appointed Court Chaplain. No one's ever asked but I thought you should know.

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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:00 pm

One of the best memes I've seen.
When USSR declares war on Germany.
https://youtu.be/OjMqM9e1WFA

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The Imperial Reach
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Postby The Imperial Reach » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:31 pm



I approve of this fix for revolts. Especially provincial revolts.

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:

It mentioned that stuck-up bitch Mathilda of Tuscany and it’s literally unreadable now.


I was gonna ask "Who hurt you?" but obviously the answer is Duchess Matilda of Tuscany.

Genivaria wrote:

No mention of a Loyalist Faction, much disappoint.


You mean like the vassals that haven't rebelled siding with their liege against the rebels? Because that's always been a pet peeve of mine in CKII. The rebels are literally sieging any piece of my territory - even if it's owned by one of my vassals and not me. I'd think they'd be rounding up their own troops to fight them off as well, but no. They just sit there and let their holdings get sacked and plundered and their relatives captured like dumbshits.

Would love if those worthless bastards actually came to help me for once.
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North German Realm
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Postby North German Realm » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:37 pm

The Imperial Reach wrote:
Genivaria wrote:No mention of a Loyalist Faction, much disappoint.


You mean like the vassals that haven't rebelled siding with their liege against the rebels? Because that's always been a pet peeve of mine in CKII. The rebels are literally sieging any piece of my territory - even if it's owned by one of my vassals and not me. I'd think they'd be rounding up their own troops to fight them off as well, but no. They just sit there and let their holdings get sacked and plundered and their relatives captured like dumbshits.

Would love if those worthless bastards actually came to help me for once.

Honestly this. Civil Wars should be between groups, not "a bunch of nobles vs. me". And the rebels shouldn't be allowed to siege a non-hostile rebel (or alternatively, any neutral holding that gets attacked should bring its owner into the war on the other side).
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Ism
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Postby Ism » Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:26 pm

North German Realm wrote:
The Imperial Reach wrote:
You mean like the vassals that haven't rebelled siding with their liege against the rebels? Because that's always been a pet peeve of mine in CKII. The rebels are literally sieging any piece of my territory - even if it's owned by one of my vassals and not me. I'd think they'd be rounding up their own troops to fight them off as well, but no. They just sit there and let their holdings get sacked and plundered and their relatives captured like dumbshits.

Would love if those worthless bastards actually came to help me for once.

Honestly this. Civil Wars should be between groups, not "a bunch of nobles vs. me". And the rebels shouldn't be allowed to siege a non-hostile rebel (or alternatively, any neutral holding that gets attacked should bring its owner into the war on the other side).


So, when a civil war starts vassals get the option to either back their liege, join the rebels or stay out of it? Basically how they work in the GoT mod, so it should be possible to do in the main game.

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Impaled Nazarene
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:43 am

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Therefore, many dictatorships are democracies."

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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Lunas Legion » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:48 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:


It's gavelkind time.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:54 am

Lunas Legion wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:


It's gavelkind time.

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Anarchist
Kiaculta wrote:Oh, Kar, you silly sack of shit.
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Bickering ist krieg.
Infected Mushroom wrote:isn't this a bit extreme?
Finland SSR wrote:"Many dictatorships are oligarchies.
Many democracies are oligarchies.
Therefore, many dictatorships are democracies."

-said no one ever. I made these words up.
Genivaria wrote:"WHY!? Why do this!? Thousands of planets and trillions of innocent lives gone! For what!?"
"It seemed like fun at the time."

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The Huskar Social Union
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:57 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
It's gavelkind time.

Image

Six Empire titles all primogeniture.


Maximum pissed off family members.
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Panslav
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Postby Panslav » Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:29 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
It's gavelkind time.

Image


Gavelkind can't stop you, if you're a merchant republic.
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Postby Cisairse » Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:30 am

Panslav wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Image


Gavelkind can't stop you, if you're a merchant republic.


it's Crusader Kings not Crusader Doges
The details of the above post are subject to leftist infighting.

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The Huskar Social Union
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:38 am

Cisairse wrote:
Panslav wrote:
Gavelkind can't stop you, if you're a merchant republic.


it's Crusader Kings not Crusader Doges

YES.
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Purpelia
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Postby Purpelia » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:10 am

Personally I like me empires to be elective and have my relatives as kings of the various kingdoms.
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:38 am

Cisairse wrote:
Panslav wrote:
Gavelkind can't stop you, if you're a merchant republic.


it's Crusader Kings not Crusader Doges

This. Merchant Republics are for vassals n ok t players.

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Ism
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Postby Ism » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:35 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
It's gavelkind time.

Image


*Elective Gavelkind has entered the game*

Purpelia wrote:Personally I like me empires to be elective and have my relatives as kings of the various kingdoms.


The best thing to do is have a titular empire set to elective. Basically just lets you pick your heir, and all your vassals like you more.

Genivaria wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
it's Crusader Kings not Crusader Doges

This. Merchant Republics are for vassals n ok t players.


You're just jealous of all these dukats.

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Renoa
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Postby Renoa » Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:13 pm

Why the fuck is it seen as tyrannical to want to imprison a vassal who is plotting to kill me.

And on a related note, why the fuck does my sister want to kill me when she's already out of the line of succession.

Update: Every time the Byzantines attack me, I feel less and less bad about 1453. Unrelated to the above, but still relevant.
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North German Realm
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Postby North German Realm » Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:56 pm

Renoa wrote:Why the fuck is it seen as tyrannical to want to imprison a vassal who is plotting to kill me.

And on a related note, why the fuck does my sister want to kill me when she's already out of the line of succession.

Update: Every time the Byzantines attack me, I feel less and less bad about 1453. Unrelated to the above, but still relevant.

The more one plays CK2 the more they sympathize with the Venetians tbh.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:33 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Panslav wrote:
Gavelkind can't stop you, if you're a merchant republic.


it's Crusader Kings not Crusader Doges

This is such a fantastic response that you need to rewarded.
BRALIA GET TO IT.
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Kiaculta wrote:Oh, Kar, you silly sack of shit.
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Bickering ist krieg.
Infected Mushroom wrote:isn't this a bit extreme?
Finland SSR wrote:"Many dictatorships are oligarchies.
Many democracies are oligarchies.
Therefore, many dictatorships are democracies."

-said no one ever. I made these words up.
Genivaria wrote:"WHY!? Why do this!? Thousands of planets and trillions of innocent lives gone! For what!?"
"It seemed like fun at the time."

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