The Warhammer 40.000/Fantasy Discussion Thread Mk.III

[Hurdergaryp]

Oh, God. You know what this means. Disney is sniffing at 40K now...

"That's an impressive intellectual property you have developed there over the years. It will make a fine addition to my collection."

[Ameriganastan]

Oh, God. You know what this means. Disney is sniffing at 40K now...

"That's an impressive intellectual property you have developed there over the years. It will make a fine addition to my collection."

Yup. This is basically the beginning of the end. These comics do even moderately well, and Disney will buy them out. This is it for 40K as we know it.

[Spirit of Hope]

"That's an impressive intellectual property you have developed there over the years. It will make a fine addition to my collection."

Yup. This is basically the beginning of the end. These comics do even moderately well, and Disney will buy them out. This is it for 40K as we know it.

I find it highly unlikely that Disney sees GW as a worthy purchase to add to their portfolio.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Disney is not gona buy games workshop.

[Impaled Nazarene]

"That's an impressive intellectual property you have developed there over the years. It will make a fine addition to my collection."

Yup. This is basically the beginning of the end. These comics do even moderately well, and Disney will buy them out. This is it for 40K as we know it.

As obsessively greedy and controlling as GW is I can only imagine that they'll say "Horus will return, and Ward will turn Guilliman into a Chaos God before you get your hands on this franchise."

[Ameriganastan]

I find it highly unlikely that Disney sees GW as a worthy purchase to add to their portfolio.

Disney is not gona buy games workshop.

It's Disney. They buy fucking everything these days. You really think they aren't eyeing 40K with this comic partnership?

[The Huskar Social Union]

GW is wayyyy too protective of their IP. And yes i doubt Disney cares about 40K enough to buy it, considering it is an incredibly niche IP in an incredibly niche market.

[Spirit of Hope]

I find it highly unlikely that Disney sees GW as a worthy purchase to add to their portfolio.

Disney is not gona buy games workshop.

It's Disney. They buy fucking everything these days. You really think they aren't eyeing 40K with this comic partnership?

Yes, I don't think they are eyeing GW. It would be a large acquisition that would get them relatively few new IP's, and no new TV shows or movies. It would involve them in a business they haven't really entered before (tabletop war gaming, and the associated manufacturing of miniatures) plus GW is based out of the UK and Disney is based out of the US. Not to mention most of GW stock is held by a small number of individuals I would rate as unlikely to sell low. Meanwhile Disney (really Marvel) can get most of the benefit, and none of the hassle, simply by signing a deal for comics, and maybe in the future movies/TV.

[Ameriganastan]

Boy, you people are the optimistic type, aren't you? Just you watch...

[Spirit of Hope]

Boy, you people are the optimistic type, aren't you? Just you watch...

For what? Disney to buy a company with little new IP, in an incredibly niche market, no backlog of TV or movies, and a general message that is 180 degrees opposite of Disney's core? That sounds like a pretty bad business.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Boy, you people are the optimistic type, aren't you? Just you watch...

And you are unbelievably pessimistic.


Seriously look at the situation:

Barely anyone knows about Games Workshop and Warhammer 40K in the grand scheme of things, it is a game and a universe in a very niche gaming area with a successful book area, some very successful video game ventures but also many average/bad ones, practically no animation or live action TV/Movie work to speak of (with one live action series in super early days, same with an animated show also in super early days) and the overall theme and vibe of the game and its setting is the opposite of most of Disney's stuff, by a pretty colossal degree.


I do not think Disney with all the other stuff on its plate is even looking anywhere closely at a takeover for 40K/GW. Also again GW is very protective of their IP. Ffs they had a court case to try and copyright space marine of all things.

[Ameriganastan]

And you are unbelievably pessimistic.

I'm a realist, not a pessimist.

Seriously look at the situation:

Barely anyone knows about Games Workshop and Warhammer 40K in the grand scheme of things, it is a game and a universe in a very niche gaming area with a successful book area, some very successful video game ventures but also many average/bad ones, practically no animation or live action TV/Movie work to speak of (with one live action series in super early days, same with an animated show also in super early days) and the overall theme and vibe of the game and its setting is the opposite of most of Disney's stuff, by a pretty colossal degree.


I do not think Disney with all the other stuff on its plate is even looking anywhere closely at a takeover for 40K/GW. Also again GW is very protective of their IP. Ffs they had a court case to try and copyright space marine of all things.

The situation is Marvel is owned by a gigundo corporate entity that's becoming a borderline entertainment monopoly. Everyone is protective of their stuff until they get a giant wad of cash dangled in front of them.

[The Huskar Social Union]

And Disney has a lot more import and a lot bigger stuff to deal with than taking over GW.

[Spirit of Hope]

And you are unbelievably pessimistic.

I'm a realist, not a pessimist.

Seriously look at the situation:

Barely anyone knows about Games Workshop and Warhammer 40K in the grand scheme of things, it is a game and a universe in a very niche gaming area with a successful book area, some very successful video game ventures but also many average/bad ones, practically no animation or live action TV/Movie work to speak of (with one live action series in super early days, same with an animated show also in super early days) and the overall theme and vibe of the game and its setting is the opposite of most of Disney's stuff, by a pretty colossal degree.


I do not think Disney with all the other stuff on its plate is even looking anywhere closely at a takeover for 40K/GW. Also again GW is very protective of their IP. Ffs they had a court case to try and copyright space marine of all things.

The situation is Marvel is owned by a gigundo corporate entity that's becoming a borderline entertainment monopoly. Everyone is protective of their stuff until they get a giant wad of cash dangled in front of them.

Disney acquired Marvel because Marvel had a colossal IP catalog, was internationally recognized, and had the beginnings of a very promising movie franchise. That is why Disney acquired Marvel. GW has none of those things.

Marvel has made, does make, and will continue to make licensed comics with all kinds of groups. Just because they made a licensing deal for some 40k comics does not in any way indicate that Disney is going to buy GW, a business that has basically nothing they want.

[Impaled Nazarene]

And you are unbelievably pessimistic.

I'm a realist, not a pessimist.

No, I'M a realist. You're a heretic.

To be able to buy GW they have to be willing to sell, and as greedy and self serving as GW is, they ain't selling for anything less than their very own Imperium and 20 legions.

[Hirota]

I'm a realist, not a pessimist.



The situation is Marvel is owned by a gigundo corporate entity that's becoming a borderline entertainment monopoly. Everyone is protective of their stuff until they get a giant wad of cash dangled in front of them.

Disney acquired Marvel because Marvel had a colossal IP catalog, was internationally recognized, and had the beginnings of a very promising movie franchise. That is why Disney acquired Marvel. GW has none of those things.

Marvel has made, does make, and will continue to make licensed comics with all kinds of groups. Just because they made a licensing deal for some 40k comics does not in any way indicate that Disney is going to buy GW, a business that has basically nothing they want.

I'm playing Devils advocate as I'm not sure Marvel need to do it, but here is one reason I can see why someone might sniff around the 40k IP.

Certain media, such as Game of Thrones (and it's 4 potential spin-offs), and the MCU (with it's numerous TV series), and the Lord of the Rings universe (with it's own TV series) demonstrate there is a market out there for large, original, complex worlds and storylines. Some of these have already been seized upon (look at the witcher franchise with it's books, it's games, and now it's TV series). 40K has the potential to be in the same category, with it's own books, and games - and I recall a TV series is already in the making around Inquisitor Eisenhorn.

The potential for book to TV/film adaptions in a well developed universe like 40k is clearly there, simply because of the amount and depth of material available.

I just don't know if that universe is what TV and movie execs would think of when they are trying to make money. I also don't know if GW would be willing to sanitise their universe to earn mass market appeal (although there is some evidence they would).

[Impaled Nazarene]

Luetin made a 40 minute video on the subject. 15 minutes in and all he's doing is bitching about SJWs and political correctness ruining things.

If he's talking like that I can only imagine ArchWarhammer has already formed a militia.

[Hurdergaryp]

Boy, you people are the optimistic type, aren't you? Just you watch...

For what? Disney to buy a company with little new IP, in an incredibly niche market, no backlog of TV or movies, and a general message that is 180 degrees opposite of Disney's core? That sounds like a pretty bad business.

WH40K isn't exactly new, it has been around since the 1980s.

[Spirit of Hope]

For what? Disney to buy a company with little new IP, in an incredibly niche market, no backlog of TV or movies, and a general message that is 180 degrees opposite of Disney's core? That sounds like a pretty bad business.

WH40K isn't exactly new, it has been around since the 1980s.

Yes, but that I'm not talking about the age of GW, but rather what acquiring GW would do for Disney. GW has little IP that would be new for Disney, if Disney were to buy GW, and little of it is in forms useful to Disney quickly.

Disney acquired Marvel because Marvel had a colossal IP catalog, was internationally recognized, and had the beginnings of a very promising movie franchise. That is why Disney acquired Marvel. GW has none of those things.

Marvel has made, does make, and will continue to make licensed comics with all kinds of groups. Just because they made a licensing deal for some 40k comics does not in any way indicate that Disney is going to buy GW, a business that has basically nothing they want.

I'm playing Devils advocate as I'm not sure Marvel need to do it, but here is one reason I can see why someone might sniff around the 40k IP.

Certain media, such as Game of Thrones (and it's 4 potential spin-offs), and the MCU (with it's numerous TV series), and the Lord of the Rings universe (with it's own TV series) demonstrate there is a market out there for large, original, complex worlds and storylines. Some of these have already been seized upon (look at the witcher franchise with it's books, it's games, and now it's TV series). 40K has the potential to be in the same category, with it's own books, and games - and I recall a TV series is already in the making around Inquisitor Eisenhorn.

The potential for book to TV/film adaptions in a well developed universe like 40k is clearly there, simply because of the amount and depth of material available.

I just don't know if that universe is what TV and movie execs would think of when they are trying to make money. I also don't know if GW would be willing to sanitise their universe to earn mass market appeal (although there is some evidence they would).

I have no doubt that 40k/Fantasy/AoS could make some amazing tv or movie products, especially as you note of GW was willing to water down some of the more extreme stuff in the background. I am after all a huge fan of Black Library, and a player of 40k myself.

I just find it unlikely that Disney is interested in what GW has to offer. Disney and GW have very diffrent tones to most of their works, and even if you water down 40k you would have a hard time changing their tone to match what Disney largely produces.
Do change the tone enough and you loose the existing fans, for a franchise that has little appeal outside of the existing fan base. Further a number of examples you listed were licensed deals, not purchases of the IP.

I honestly wish GW would push a little harder on the tv/movie front, but it looks like there might be some progress there.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Listening to Luetin complain about SJWs and political correctness for 30 minutes has given me a new perspective on the matter.
I hope Disney buys GW and ruins everything because I want each and every neckbeard gamergater to watch Disney tear down Warhammer.

[Azelmurta]

So does anybody happen to know what vessels Solar Defense Forces are generally equipped with? I imagine quite small, but frankly even the smallest Imperial Navy ships I've heard of are huge.

[The Huskar Social Union]

So does anybody happen to know what vessels Solar Defense Forces are generally equipped with? I imagine quite small, but frankly even the smallest Imperial Navy ships I've heard of are huge.

Ive not been able to find anything concrete, but i'd go on a limb and say most basic defence fleets are gona be made up primarily of Escorts with some light cruisers. Reading on the Lexicanum Enforcer Class light cruisers seem to be built for this in particular, and also has smaller vessels such as Defence monitors and some more heavily armed transports being used for patrols and anti piracy stuff too so i imagine they would also be part of Solar Defence Forces.

Depending on the system though and how built up or important it is, you could probably find larger cruisers and stuff defending them.

[Impaled Nazarene]

So does anybody happen to know what vessels Solar Defense Forces are generally equipped with? I imagine quite small, but frankly even the smallest Imperial Navy ships I've heard of are huge.

Ive not been able to find anything concrete, but i'd go on a limb and say most basic defence fleets are gona be made up primarily of Escorts with some light cruisers. Reading on the Lexicanum Enforcer Class light cruisers seem to be built for this in particular, and also has smaller vessels such as Defence monitors and some more heavily armed transports being used for patrols and anti piracy stuff too so i imagine they would also be part of Solar Defence Forces.

Depending on the system though and how built up or important it is, you could probably find larger cruisers and stuff defending them.

Light cruisers make sense given their forward mounted heavy weapons. Makes them better for defense where they can coordinate with static defenses to inflict massive damage. Pound for Pound the smaller Imperial ships are deadlier than their bigger cousins.

[The Biggles Syndicate]

Disney is not gona buy games workshop.

I would agree. 40k and AOS are a bit too mature for Disney audiences. With Marvel and Star Wars, you have more room for that kind of appeal for all ages. I mean there's Warhammer Adventures but that's hardly talked about at all.

I just don't want 40k to become too mainstream.

[Impaled Nazarene]

I've been playing the Horus Heresy Legions card game. It's alright. RNG? More like RNTzeentch because it fucks you over like you wouldn't believe. You start with one of the most annoying decks to go against in Loken who spams grenades and Front Line units but if you want to buy a deck buy Narik Dreygur, while it seems lame that you can't start with a traitor legion deck The Gravewalker is OP as shit letting you create a random Iron Warriors vehicle in your hand and give it +1 health FOR ONLY 1 MANA. You start with 2 mana so you could draw Dradenor Squad, play it, and generate a big fucking tank or dreadnought with front line. Who needs to get good draws when the Iron Warriors have strong as shit vehicles and op abilities?