The Warhammer 40.000/Fantasy Discussion Thread Mk.III

[Chan Island]

I think people have mellowed about a bit over the age of sigmar thing.

I should hope!

It's great, IMO. Easy to get into, some really great new designs (Nighthaunt, Idoneth Deepkin, etc), and it's revitalized the scene for Fantasy.

I think the Deepkin in particular were such an out there idea that it just worked.

Some old veterans continue to bitch about Age of Sigmar but the truth is that its sales go really well whereas 9th Age is rapidly declining. People may not like it but the numbers are on GW's side.

On the plus side, GW seems to have somewhat reacted to fan pressure in that they are sloooowly bringing the "classic" fantasy races back into the setting. Battletomes Orruk Warclans (aka Orcs) and Cities of Sigmar (aka Empire) have been announced yesterday:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/201 ... ge-post-1/

It's also expected that we'll see Battletome Slaves to Darkness (aka Warriors of Chaos) before the end of the year.

The absolute irony would be if GW should at some point decide to bring 40k's "3 scales" format (Kill Team for small skirmishes, 40k for medium sized games, Apocalypse for massive horde battles) to AoS (they've already covered two out of three with AoS and now Warcry) and essentially bring back Rank & File movement trays.

We are Sigmar's heirs!

About time

[The Huskar Social Union]

I should hope!

It's great, IMO. Easy to get into, some really great new designs (Nighthaunt, Idoneth Deepkin, etc), and it's revitalized the scene for Fantasy.

I think the Deepkin in particular were such an out there idea that it just worked.

Some old veterans continue to bitch about Age of Sigmar but the truth is that its sales go really well whereas 9th Age is rapidly declining. People may not like it but the numbers are on GW's side.

On the plus side, GW seems to have somewhat reacted to fan pressure in that they are sloooowly bringing the "classic" fantasy races back into the setting. Battletomes Orruk Warclans (aka Orcs) and Cities of Sigmar (aka Empire) have been announced yesterday:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/201 ... ge-post-1/

It's also expected that we'll see Battletome Slaves to Darkness (aka Warriors of Chaos) before the end of the year.

The absolute irony would be if GW should at some point decide to bring 40k's "3 scales" format (Kill Team for small skirmishes, 40k for medium sized games, Apocalypse for massive horde battles) to AoS (they've already covered two out of three with AoS and now Warcry) and essentially bring back Rank & File movement trays.

We are Sigmar's heirs!

About time

Who calls?



T H E

N A T I O N

C A L L S

[Hurdergaryp]

Who calls?



T H E

N A T I O N

C A L L S

Tell the Nation that I am in a meeting and that I will call him back later.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Who calls?



T H E

N A T I O N

C A L L S

Tell the Nation that I am in a meeting and that I will call him back later.

One does not simply put T H E N A T I O N on hold, Gelt will be very angry.


Also doesnt AOS already have an "empire" army? The freeguilds or something they are called.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

Yeah, Freeguilds is basically the old Empire miniatures. Freeguilds + Dwarf stuff + the battletome-less Elf factions are all being put together into the same battletome.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Finally decided to actually start collecting, going to do an Alaitoc army, my first models are going to be an Autarch and a squad of Dire Avengers.

[Baltenstein]

Tell the Nation that I am in a meeting and that I will call him back later.

One does not simply put T H E N A T I O N on hold, Gelt will be very angry.


Also doesnt AOS already have an "empire" army? The freeguilds or something they are called.

Yes, but this is the first time they'll get their own Battletome/Codex. The old WHFantasy factions that haven't received an AoS battletome yet are in a bit of a limbo - there's always the fear that GW will decide to drop their support completely (like they did with Khemri and Bretonnians).
By getting their own Battletome, the Freeguilds/Free Peoples have been fully incorporated into the game.

Yeah, Freeguilds is basically the old Empire miniatures. Freeguilds + Dwarf stuff + the battletome-less Elf factions are all being put together into the same battletome.

There's A LOT of variation in there (considering you can also ally in Stormcast Eternals), you'll probably be able to mix humans, dwarfs, elves and SCE in almost any way you like.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Ah okay cool.

[Baltenstein]

I think the Deepkin in particular were such an out there idea that it just worked.

I believe that Deepkin are part of a broader GW strategy to keep people from using proxies/3rd party miniatures for GW systems. Unlike 40k (where with the exception of the Imperial Guard, most factions have designs that are pretty unique to GW), there is a big variety for fantasy miniatures ranges on the market, and AoS is GW's attempt to circumvent that. In contrast to the old "traditional" WHFantasy factions (Renaissance-era humans, Mountain Dwarves, High Elves), most newcomers are so unorthodox (Medieval Space Marines, Steampunk Zeppelin Dwarfs, Underwater Elves etc) that nobody other than GW is producing a range for them (yet). If you wanted to play Empire or High Elves, you could pick from a number of cheap plastic ranges from different companies. If you want to play SCE or Deepkin - you have to stick to GW.
Another aspect of this strategy is to keep making individual models bigger and more elaborate. If you want to field Archaon, Alarielle or Nagash you'll have to get the GW originals - there aren't any real alternatives that do them justice.
However, releasing Battletomes for "classic" Orcs and "classic" humans is an unexcpected reversal of this trend, that I think is due to fan community pressure/complaints.

[The Biggles Syndicate]

Some delicious 4th wall stuff from an excerpt I found in r/40klore:

'"Guilliman stood. His limbs too were stiff. 'The strategio-simulacra is an amazing machine. I have never experienced anything so convincing. Our ancestors must have struggled not to lose themselves in these devices, but for all its wonders it does weaken the body.' He held out his hand to his brother. 'It is a marvellous toy, and it will be an useful tool, but it's not entirely healthy. If you wish to call an end to our exercise, I am willing.'
'I do. Perhaps it is for the best there are no more examples surviving.' Corax took the offered hand without rancour. Defeat had not embittered him. Guilliman pulled him to his feet."

Digs deep, doesn't it?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Some delicious 4th wall stuff from an excerpt I found in r/40klore:

'"Guilliman stood. His limbs too were stiff. 'The strategio-simulacra is an amazing machine. I have never experienced anything so convincing. Our ancestors must have struggled not to lose themselves in these devices, but for all its wonders it does weaken the body.' He held out his hand to his brother. 'It is a marvellous toy, and it will be an useful tool, but it's not entirely healthy. If you wish to call an end to our exercise, I am willing.'
'I do. Perhaps it is for the best there are no more examples surviving.' Corax took the offered hand without rancour. Defeat had not embittered him. Guilliman pulled him to his feet."

Digs deep, doesn't it?

fucking gw trying to fucking tell me to take breaks when playing mah vidya games fucking who do they think they are

[Hurdergaryp]

Some delicious 4th wall stuff from an excerpt I found in r/40klore:

'"Guilliman stood. His limbs too were stiff. 'The strategio-simulacra is an amazing machine. I have never experienced anything so convincing. Our ancestors must have struggled not to lose themselves in these devices, but for all its wonders it does weaken the body.' He held out his hand to his brother. 'It is a marvellous toy, and it will be an useful tool, but it's not entirely healthy. If you wish to call an end to our exercise, I am willing.'
'I do. Perhaps it is for the best there are no more examples surviving.' Corax took the offered hand without rancour. Defeat had not embittered him. Guilliman pulled him to his feet."

Digs deep, doesn't it?

fucking gw trying to fucking tell me to take breaks when playing mah vidya games fucking who do they think they are

- self-identification as an unjustly oppressed gamer intensifying -

[Baltenstein]

Some delicious 4th wall stuff from an excerpt I found in r/40klore:

'"Guilliman stood. His limbs too were stiff. 'The strategio-simulacra is an amazing machine. I have never experienced anything so convincing. Our ancestors must have struggled not to lose themselves in these devices, but for all its wonders it does weaken the body.' He held out his hand to his brother. 'It is a marvellous toy, and it will be an useful tool, but it's not entirely healthy. If you wish to call an end to our exercise, I am willing.'
'I do. Perhaps it is for the best there are no more examples surviving.' Corax took the offered hand without rancour. Defeat had not embittered him. Guilliman pulled him to his feet."

Digs deep, doesn't it?

fucking gw trying to fucking tell me to take breaks when playing mah vidya games fucking who do they think they are

They also had Perturabo - aka the whiny know-it-all manchild primarch - as an active 40k player in one HH novel. What does that tell you?

[The Huskar Social Union]

New Sister Repentia Models

[Morrdh]

Kill Team vs Necromunda.

Considering getting into one of the smaller, skirmish games but can only choose one.

Get into Kill Team. It's more popular, and most of the models can be used in mainline 40k if you want to play that eventually.

More likely to stick with the skirmish games, time and money being the big factors when it comes to gaming for me.

Leaning more towards Necromunda as I like the new Orlock models they did, plus I played Imperial Guard in 40K and so I can make the models work for other games.

[Chan Island]

New Sister Repentia Models

Lots of arrows on some of those chain swords...

*heresy radar flashing*

[The Biggles Syndicate]

Guys, I think I found a lost Primarch.
Somebody telephone the Inquisition quick.

[Morrdh]

Well, Session Zero tonight of a new Rogue Trader RPG campaign I'm running.

General gist is that the characters have been gathered together by the head of a Rogue Trader who claims that his blood runs through their veins and that he's looking for a worthy heir and successor. Rejuvenat treatments have started to fail and he's now slowly dying, hence why he's gathered the characters.

He'll explain that his offsprings are the result of various alliances and brokered deals over the decades, plus the fact that there are many more out there.

[Morrdh]

Well, Session Zero tonight of a new Rogue Trader RPG campaign I'm running.

General gist is that the characters have been gathered together by the head of a Rogue Trader who claims that his blood runs through their veins and that he's looking for a worthy heir and successor. Rejuvenat treatments have started to fail and he's now slowly dying, hence why he's gathered the characters.

He'll explain that his offsprings are the result of various alliances and brokered deals over the decades, plus the fact that there are many more out there.

So far (as only part of the group made it tonight) we have;

An Arch-Militant
An Explorator
A Rogue Trader

Plus a possible Navigator.

[Crookfur]

Are the navigators still human enough for viable offspring to be produce as the result of them having sex with a "normal"?

[Morrdh]

Are the navigators still human enough for viable offspring to be produce as the result of them having sex with a "normal"?

I believe so, pretty sure I read something about the Navigator families occasionally taking 'new blood' into the mix.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

Are the navigators still human enough for viable offspring to be produce as the result of them having sex with a "normal"?

Yes.

Off the top of my head, they can perfectly procreate with 'regular' humans - the child of such is a regular human, as the Navigator gene is recessive (with all problems that come with that).

[Baltenstein]

There is a BL library novel from the Beast Arises Saga that features a navigator with non-navigator concubines.

However the conception of new navigators is only possible if both parents are navigators themselves. Which pretty much means that in addition to their other, um, unpleasantries they are also inbred like no tomorrow.

Hence the well-known imperial joke:

"How do you tell the difference between a Navigator's sister and father?"

You don't, they're the same person!

*Hearty laughter followed by summary execution*

[The Biggles Syndicate]

Hey guys, should I get DI: Plague War? Is it any good?

[Crookfur]

There is a BL library novel from the Beast Arises Saga that features a navigator with non-navigator concubines.

However the conception of new navigators is only possible if both parents are navigators themselves. Which pretty much means that in addition to their other, um, unpleasantries they are also inbred like no tomorrow.

Hence the well-known imperial joke:

"How do you tell the difference between a Navigator's sister and father?"

You don't, they're the same person!

*Hearty laughter followed by summary execution*

In Theory if they find a partner who is a carrier of the resesive gene then they have a 50/50 chance of spawning a navigator.
Of course for said partner to be a carrier if the gene they would need to have some relatively recent navigator heritage...