The Warhammer 40.000/Fantasy Discussion Thread Mk.III

[Impaled Nazarene]

Could be worse. You could be me and have your favorite Legion be the WORLD EATERS

Who would win? Loyal, walking hug machines or 1 angry boi

Well considering World Eaters are GW's punching bag whenever they need khornates for the plot the answer is Salamanders.

[Tethys 13]

Who would win? Loyal, walking hug machines or 1 angry boi

Well considering World Eaters are GW's punching bag whenever they need khornates for the plot the answer is Salamanders.

Save for Khârn, who I have always felt is ludicrously over-powered. As a character I would have thought him on par with the likes of Vargard Obyron or Kor'sarro Khan, a close-combat specialist good for little else, at around mid-Chapter Master level. I even made a diorama of a duel between him and Obyron once, which people took as a joke, as though they are both close combat specialist characters with very similar point costs, Khârn utterly obliterates Obyron in practice along with most everything else (14 Strength 6 AP -4 damage D3 attacks in the first turn of combat always hitting on 2+, and they thought he needed a 4+ invulnerable save as well so he is not even that much of a glass cannon). Sure, Obyron has his bodyguard schtick, but he still only fights back with 4 attacks and has no invulnerable save.
It is even worse in the lore, where Khârn at one point destroys a Living Saint (who I always thought would be on par with a Daemon Prince, and is the same points value as one) in a completely one-sided beatdown.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Legion Preference:

Like: Imperial Fists, Iron Warriors, Ultramarines, Death Guard, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Word Bearers, Alpha Legion.

Meh: White Scars, Salamanders, Raven Guard, Iron Hands, Dark Angels, Sons of Horus, Emperors Children, Thousand Sons

Dislike: World Eaters, NIght Lords


Dont care much for Lorgar but i like the Word Bearers as villains (its the colour scheme i used for my own chaos marine squad). World Eaters and Night Lords i was never really interested in or cared for that much, same with their Primarchs. All the ones in Meh have had moments (bar White Scars and Salamanders, namely because ive not really read any books where they are the central role) that i thought were really cool, in particular i liked the Emperors Children and Iron Hands in Fulgrim and Deliverance Lost was a really cool book and got me to like the Raven Guard a lot more than i typically did.

The Ultramarines i really really liked in Know no Fear, and ive thought a bit more highly of them in 40k after Guilliman came back (same with him actually in both cases)

[Tethys 13]

Legion Preference:

Like: Imperial Fists, Iron Warriors, Ultramarines, Death Guard, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Word Bearers, Alpha Legion.

Meh: White Scars, Salamanders, Raven Guard, Iron Hands, Dark Angels, Sons of Horus, Emperors Children, Thousand Sons

Dislike: World Eaters, NIght Lords


Dont care much for Lorgar but i like the Word Bearers as villains (its the colour scheme i used for my own chaos marine squad). World Eaters and Night Lords i was never really interested in or cared for that much, same with their Primarchs. All the ones in Meh have had moments (bar White Scars and Salamanders, namely because ive not really read any books where they are the central role) that i thought were really cool, in particular i liked the Emperors Children and Iron Hands in Fulgrim and Deliverance Lost was a really cool book and got me to like the Raven Guard a lot more than i typically did.

The Ultramarines i really really liked in Know no Fear, and ive thought a bit more highly of them in 40k after Guilliman came back (same with him actually in both cases)

I was similarly unfamiliar with the White Scars until I read Scars, which immediately made them my favourite legion and became my favourite Black Library novel.

[Jetan]

And it is glorious. I was tempted to start a Brain Power in the stream but I couldn't because I was too focused on the episode itself.

I like how Astartes pretty much goes straight back to the early days of WH40K with the Giger-esque elements. Hell, I would even go so far as to say that Astartes has certain arthouse qualities, given how there is an almost complete lack of spoken words and a very strict aesthetic. Good animation, too.

Indeed. The composition of the scenes is pretty good too. And it also just simply has much greater "40k feel" than GWs own offerings these days.

Legion Preference:

Like: Imperial Fists, Iron Warriors, Ultramarines, Death Guard, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Word Bearers, Alpha Legion.

Meh: White Scars, Salamanders, Raven Guard, Iron Hands, Dark Angels, Sons of Horus, Emperors Children, Thousand Sons

Dislike: World Eaters, NIght Lords


Dont care much for Lorgar but i like the Word Bearers as villains (its the colour scheme i used for my own chaos marine squad). World Eaters and Night Lords i was never really interested in or cared for that much, same with their Primarchs. All the ones in Meh have had moments (bar White Scars and Salamanders, namely because ive not really read any books where they are the central role) that i thought were really cool, in particular i liked the Emperors Children and Iron Hands in Fulgrim and Deliverance Lost was a really cool book and got me to like the Raven Guard a lot more than i typically did.

The Ultramarines i really really liked in Know no Fear, and ive thought a bit more highly of them in 40k after Guilliman came back (same with him actually in both cases)

For me it's (in no particular order, including iterations):

Like: Imperial Fists, Iron Warriors, Ultramarines, Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus, Dark Angels (Fallen), Iron Hands, Alpha Legion, Emperors Children (Pre-heresy), Thousand Sons (pre-heresy) .

Neutral: White Scars, Salamanders, Raven Guard, Dark Angels, Thousand Sons (post-heresy), Night Lords, Death Guard (pre-heresy), Blood Angels, Black Legion

Dislike: World Eaters, Space Wolves, Word Bearers, Emperors Children (post-heresy), Death Guard (post-heresy)

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

New Ephrael Stern model though, wow.

[Ameriganastan]

Well, since everyone else is doing it.

Like: Blood Angels, Salamanders, White Scars, Imperial Fists, Raven Guard, Death Guard, Iron Warriors.

Meh: Space Wolves, Alpha Legion, Iron Hands, Thousand Sons, Emperor's Children, World Eaters, Black Legion.

Dislike: Ultramarines, Word Bearers, Dark Angels, Night Lords.

[Crookfur]

As high a bar as Astartes sets the new Angels of Death trailer looks like it might meet it. The black, white and red aesthetic is certainly striking.

[Jetan]

New Ephrael Stern model though, wow.

(Image)

Meh, way too busy as usual.

[Baltenstein]

New Ephrael Stern model though, wow.

(Image)

CSM 1: "Vegetus, what does the auspex say about her powah level?!"
CSM 2: "It's over nine THOUSAAAAAAAAND!!!!!!" *angrily crushes auspex*

[Morrdh]

Pretty meh on the Space Marines, be it Legion or Chapter.

The Space Wolves I like from how they were in the Lone Wolves graphic novel.

But give me Imperial Guard every day of the week.

[Northern Davincia]

I got demolished pretty thoroughly in Kill Team today. My Plague Marines were valiant against the Mechanicus, but I will learn from defeat.

[Saint Nicholas and the Hussars]

wagh

[Impaled Nazarene]

Well considering World Eaters are GW's punching bag whenever they need khornates for the plot the answer is Salamanders.

Save for Khârn, who I have always felt is ludicrously over-powered. As a character I would have thought him on par with the likes of Vargard Obyron or Kor'sarro Khan, a close-combat specialist good for little else, at around mid-Chapter Master level. I even made a diorama of a duel between him and Obyron once, which people took as a joke, as though they are both close combat specialist characters with very similar point costs, Khârn utterly obliterates Obyron in practice along with most everything else (14 Strength 6 AP -4 damage D3 attacks in the first turn of combat always hitting on 2+, and they thought he needed a 4+ invulnerable save as well so he is not even that much of a glass cannon). Sure, Obyron has his bodyguard schtick, but he still only fights back with 4 attacks and has no invulnerable save.
It is even worse in the lore, where Khârn at one point destroys a Living Saint (who I always thought would be on par with a Daemon Prince, and is the same points value as one) in a completely one-sided beatdown.

Some folks at GW thought about making Kharn a cartoon villain like the rest of the World Eaters but suddenly a rift opened up in their office and Kharn stepped out and proceeded to rip their fucking heads off before leaving.

Also he killed Celestine, get it right.

Kharn is also the favorite of Khorne (who is somehow the strongest Chaos god and not Slaanesh) and considering that Khorne's power comes from bloodshed, dueling, and manic warfare it's pretty easy to see why Kharn was able to become the champion. Because when they weren't being idiots and botching things like the Isstvan III campaign the World Eaters were probably the best exterminators of all legions. He's also cunning and clever to the point where I forget that he has the Butcher's Nails in him. It seems being one of the three oldest known Space Marines means you get better with age. He's like the DOOM GUY of 40k, local man literally too fucking angry to die (though to be fair Kharn has died more than once).

Though he isn't unstoppable. A certain Imperial Fist Meme kicked his ass repeatedly. I think writers really dropped the ball with how powerful Chaos Champions are supposed to be, didn't set it up well enough so no one really accepts that Kharn is THAT powerful.

[Trollgaard]

I am going to be converting up some skaven into admech skitarii over the next few weeks once my bits arrive. They'll also double as chaos cultists and mutants! I plan on converting roughly 50 plague monks into rangers, and 60 stormvermin into secutarii hoplites. I have back packs, guns, pouches, and all kinda of bits on the way to convert them. I just need to find shields for the stormvermin.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I feel bad for the guy who is making Angels of Death. Went from the fan darling over helsreach to being shit on because his series is not like Astartes.


I get it, Astartes is really fucking well made and you would want more stuff to be up to that level, but the vitriol and gatekeeping ive seen off of some muppets online is frustrating. Dont even know why i bother.

[Hurdergaryp]

I feel bad for the guy who is making Angels of Death. Went from the fan darling over helsreach to being shit on because his series is not like Astartes.


I get it, Astartes is really fucking well made and you would want more stuff to be up to that level, but the vitriol and gatekeeping ive seen off of some muppets online is frustrating. Dont even know why i bother.

Great efforts are made 24/7 in order to make absolutely certain nerds do not accidentally get rid of their bad reputation, courtesy of the absolute jackasses who hysterically obsess over every single little fault and imperfection they can scrape from the barrel of the bottom.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I feel bad for the guy who is making Angels of Death. Went from the fan darling over helsreach to being shit on because his series is not like Astartes.


I get it, Astartes is really fucking well made and you would want more stuff to be up to that level, but the vitriol and gatekeeping ive seen off of some muppets online is frustrating. Dont even know why i bother.

Great efforts are made 24/7 in order to make absolutely certain nerds do not accidentally get rid of their bad reputation, courtesy of the absolute jackasses who hysterically obsess over every single little fault and imperfection they can scrape from the barrel of the bottom.

I cant stand the rejects yelling angels of death is "oBjEcTiVeLy BaD" either, one thats subjective, two mother fucker it isnt even out yet??

[Hurdergaryp]

Great efforts are made 24/7 in order to make absolutely certain nerds do not accidentally get rid of their bad reputation, courtesy of the absolute jackasses who hysterically obsess over every single little fault and imperfection they can scrape from the barrel of the bottom.

I cant stand the rejects yelling angels of death is "oBjEcTiVeLy BaD" either, one thats subjective, two mother fucker it isnt even out yet??

You have them in every community, unfortunately.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I cant stand the rejects yelling angels of death is "oBjEcTiVeLy BaD" either, one thats subjective, two mother fucker it isnt even out yet??

You have them in every community, unfortunately.

Yup, unfortunately so.

[Hurdergaryp]

You have them in every community, unfortunately.

Yup, unfortunately so.

In the BattleTech community there are those who keep proclaiming that metal miniatures are superior to plastic ones, for example. Those people are still in the early nineties mentally.

[Rainbowsix]

BROTHER

[Crookfur]

Yup, unfortunately so.

In the BattleTech community there are those who keep proclaiming that metal miniatures are superior to plastic ones, for example. Those people are still in the early nineties mentally.

Probably more the early oughties heyday just before the dark age set in.
I get what they were trying to do with the dark age fluff ie bring back the desperate hard fought everything is scarce feel of 3025 but everyone had been spoiled by the tech progression and even whizkids couldn't resist getting back on board with that.
I never found the metal mechs to be that good and the newer plastic stuff doesn't look any worse.

[Hurdergaryp]

In the BattleTech community there are those who keep proclaiming that metal miniatures are superior to plastic ones, for example. Those people are still in the early nineties mentally.

Probably more the early oughties heyday just before the dark age set in.
I get what they were trying to do with the dark age fluff ie bring back the desperate hard fought everything is scarce feel of 3025 but everyone had been spoiled by the tech progression and even whizkids couldn't resist getting back on board with that.
I never found the metal mechs to be that good and the newer plastic stuff doesn't look any worse.

Basic 3025 BattleTech was a typical product of its time. In the eighties the postapocalyptic genre was rather popular, back then because of the looming threat of nuclear war, so that pretty much crept into the lore of BattleTech. If they had stuck with that scenario, the game would have died long ago. These days I prefer BattleTech Alpha Strike, because it gives you faster game with the possibility to actually field a large amount of units.

[Jetan]

Yup, unfortunately so.

In the BattleTech community there are those who keep proclaiming that metal miniatures are superior to plastic ones, for example. Those people are still in the early nineties mentally.

Eh, depends on what your criteria for superiority are. Metal lasts much longer and often leads to sharper details (less of an issue these days though), but plastic works better for bendy bits like lances or bannerpoles (altough BattleTech presumable doesn't have those in huge quantities at the very least), and depending on how it's designed can make for easier conversion (mid-era GW plastics for example are great for conversions, while current ones are shit. The person who decided on the partition of the parts in the new Necromunda kits for example deserves to be slapped senseless with a fish).