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The surprising lack of bara hentai in anime.

Postby Arkhane » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:36 pm

Now before I start I don't want any links or images posted here of explicit content, I already feel like I'm crossing some sort of line here, but here goes noticed that there is a lack of gay hentai in anime, in particular bara or homoerotic masculine men, despite the considerable amount of manga, comics, illustrations,art and community.

Most of the hentai anime genre that's under "gay" are either futanari ("girls" with penises, often in hard-core and explicit scenarios) or Yaoi with one effeminate bishounen boy or man being romanced or raped (or both) by the japanese female ideal of a "masculine man" (tall, thin, sinewy, with big hands). It is often softcore and more romantic than erotic/explicit since it's targeted more to a female audience.

I'll be presenting my conjecture and for a change, I'm starting from the most likely reason to the most unlikely.

Let's start with demand: Is there's very little to no demographics of gay men to cater to? But that's not true since there are a myriad of gay live pornography films in Japan.

Could it be taboo or forbidden? And then I had to laugh that one off considering all the unholy and degenerate sexual acts I've witnessed; would having sex with wolves, robots, undead, orcs, goblins, other monsters, appendages and eldritch abominations be acceptable and less shocking than two men going at it.

Is it a cultural thing? Is the masculine form not that appealing in the east regardless of your sexual orientation? Is that why there is little focus on men in hentai?

Or maybe there is this unspoken truce or agreement in the industry, like some sort of conspiracy to not represent manly men in hentai anime.

And last, and the most unlikeliest: Maybe they haven't noticed it yet, maybe they're so focused on trying to find a new genre or a new form of depravity and crimes against nature to get off to that the animated concept of sex between two men is just too mundane or boring.

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Postby Uxupox » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:43 pm

anime is a mistake and it is the revenge of the Japanese against all Americans.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:45 pm

Uxupox wrote:anime is a mistake and it is the revenge of the Japanese against all Americans.


By that logic, furries are Walt Disney's dying breath attempt at the destruction of Earth.

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Postby Uxupox » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:46 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Uxupox wrote:anime is a mistake and it is the revenge of the Japanese against all Americans.


By that logic, furries are Walt Disney's dying breath attempt at the destruction of Earth.


you got it right.
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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:49 pm

I'm not gay so I have no idea.

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Postby Kaggeceria » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:40 pm

Uxupox wrote:anime is a mistake and it is the revenge of the Japanese against all Americans.

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Honestly, I don't know which is worse. Imperial Japan would kill you directly. Modern anime Japan kills you indirectly by eroding away at your sanity with endless waves of hentai until you beg for mercy.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:49 pm

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:I'm not gay so I have no idea.


There is nothing wrong with taking in the schlong as long as you say "no homo" afterwards.

Be ironically gay, ya catch my drift?

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Uxupox wrote:anime is a mistake and it is the revenge of the Japanese against all Americans.

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Honestly, I don't know which is worse. Imperial Japan would kill you directly. Modern anime Japan kills you indirectly by eroding away at your sanity with endless waves of hentai until you beg for mercy.


I would take the death by katana beheading, much quicker and far less painful...

That said, as a basic level 1 furry, I am compelled to stay on the frontlines and fight back.

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Postby Vadterland » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:52 pm

Ignoring that hentai is outright pornography in any context and going with the idea that the OP is more likely just questioning why there isn't just more guy-on-guy stuff in anime, I have a simple answer. The anime industry is out to make money. Cute girls doing cute girl things or female fanservice shows make studios a lot of money thanks to a largely male audience, and only a few cases of the opposite are actually successful. There's a reason why examples of successful anime like K-On, Lucky Star, Azumanga Daioh, and seasonal yuri-bait like Pan de Peace are so much more numerous than Yuri on Ice, Free and...I genuinely can't think of many more successful examples.

I have a general distaste for the genre, and I'm not as deep into any anime communities let alone the ones involving bara, but that's just my two-cents on it anyways.
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Postby Pope Joan » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:34 am

Vadterland wrote:Ignoring that hentai is outright pornography in any context and going with the idea that the OP is more likely just questioning why there isn't just more guy-on-guy stuff in anime, I have a simple answer. The anime industry is out to make money. Cute girls doing cute girl things or female fanservice shows make studios a lot of money thanks to a largely male audience, and only a few cases of the opposite are actually successful. There's a reason why examples of successful anime like K-On, Lucky Star, Azumanga Daioh, and seasonal yuri-bait like Pan de Peace are so much more numerous than Yuri on Ice, Free and...I genuinely can't think of many more successful examples.

I have a general distaste for the genre, and I'm not as deep into any anime communities let alone the ones involving bara, but that's just my two-cents on it anyways.


Yeah, I am guessing it is pretty much a free market decision. Maybe if you floated a poll here you could see what percent of NSG would be interested in buying the various forms of hentai.
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Postby Page » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:37 am

I'm bi and I'm generally for more gay things but hentai creeps me out altogether so I really don't care. If it's important to you OP maybe you should make some. Just don't post it here.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:06 am

There is an abundance of bara if you know where to look. Don't ask for links, PG-13 rule and all that...
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Postby Dynastic Systems of Salir » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:55 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Uxupox wrote:anime is a mistake and it is the revenge of the Japanese against all Americans.


By that logic, furries are Walt Disney's dying breath attempt at the destruction of Earth.

You’re saying that’s not the case?
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:29 am

Dynastic Systems of Salir wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
By that logic, furries are Walt Disney's dying breath attempt at the destruction of Earth.

You’re saying that’s not the case?

Anthropomorphism has a history that can be traced back thousands of years. The Minotaur is one example. The animal gods of Egypt, as well as the Hindu gods, are others. The idea that the concept of furries is a recent invention is complete nonsense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropomorphism
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:18 am

I think its a combination of the following:

1. there is more internalised shame in Japan's culture when it comes to homosexuality (compared to in the West)
2. females are seen as a paragon of Beauty

Number Two is a big factor. Hence no matter the genre, there must be at least 1 female. Otherwise, its not tier 1.

Being romanced/raped by a female figure with some male organs is a way to get around "1." while adhering to "2."

In the West, there are gay people who wish they weren't gay but the a large number of them are proud of their sexuality. Not so in Japan.

They don't want to feel guilty when watching porn, or at least, they want to be able to minimise it. Hence it's more "okay" if its still a female on male... giving her male organs is a compromise.

The Shame level against being gay is so high that even when watching hentai in private, that defense/barrier needs to be there. Hence the females with the male aspects.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:23 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Uxupox wrote:anime is a mistake and it is the revenge of the Japanese against all Americans.


By that logic, furries are Walt Disney's dying breath attempt at the destruction of Earth.


Both Anime and Walt Disney animations are major hallmarks of human achievement and civilisation

I marvel over the genius of these creations every day...

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Postby Cyrisnia » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:36 am

I've read it all.


Uxupox wrote:anime is a mistake and it is the revenge of the Japanese against all Americans.

If this is their plan then they're really pushing the cultural victory.
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Infected Mushroom wrote:females are seen as a paragon of Beauty

Statue of David. There are many more examples...
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:39 am

Painisia wrote:;)

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Postby Page » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:39 am

Uxupox wrote:anime is a mistake and it is the revenge of the Japanese against all Americans.


That's what my grandma used to say about Pokemon cards when I begged her to buy me some. Revenge for Hiroshima.
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Postby Nova Colombian Confederation » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:56 am

Image the fug is this doing on my NS?

First. R34 is much more superior to Hentai.
Second. Japan is a conservative society, makes sense you don't get a lot of the homo from them. If you are a woman OP, expect even less.

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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:01 pm

Arkhane wrote:Yaoi with one effeminate bishounen boy or man being romanced or raped (or both) by the japanese female ideal of a "masculine man" (tall, thin, sinewy, with big hands). It is often softcore and more romantic than erotic/explicit since it's targeted more to a female audience.

As a bisexual man, I am only bothered by the rape part. As for the rest of it, I do not see anything wrong with that.

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Postby Rostavykhan » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:23 pm

I mean, if you consider traps gay, then there's a ton of it.
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Postby Painisia » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:31 pm

We should make an anime out of this:

https://youtu.be/vkWVdAfXbXI?t=90
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:36 pm

Rostavykhan wrote:I mean, if you consider traps gay, then there's a ton of it.


Traps are unironically attractive because of their effeminate features.

Their existence made me reconsider my sexuality, since it basically made me think "If a guy looks like a girl, and I'm attracted/aroused by it, wouldn't that make me bisexual?".

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