Thread for Gamers IX: God Howard Anniversary Edition

[Holy Tedalonia]

Even though the KOTOR remake isn't out yet, Anti-SJWs are already complaining about the game.

https://youtu.be/W04ujQHOBUw

Bruh this KOTOR boomer is mad cringe. I mean I loved KOTOR as a kid, but come on its a remake. Its not like they can deviate that much from the original plot. The only way I can see a writer making a impact is modernizing overall plot so its not obtuse or foreign like most old games feel like when your used to more modern structures in your games. Developers are in the business to making money, so they'll try to and avoid doing anything too extreme. That's mainly why this is a remake and not KOTOR 3, its the safe moneymaker.

[Herador]

Even though the KOTOR remake isn't out yet, Anti-SJWs are already complaining about the game.

https://youtu.be/W04ujQHOBUw

Bruh this KOTOR boomer is mad cringe. I mean I loved KOTOR as a kid, but come on its a remake. Its not like they can deviate that much from the original plot. The only way I can see a writer making a impact is modernizing overall plot so its not obtuse or foreign like most old games feel like when your used to more modern structures in your games. Developers are in the business to making money, so they'll try to and avoid doing anything too extreme. That's mainly why this is a remake and not KOTOR 3, its the safe moneymaker.

KOTOR was already pretty SJW. Both games had themes of dealing with oppression, touched on the struggles of the working class, had a gay romance option, were fairly anti-war, and you can read KOTOR 2 as a critique of the bloodline based force introduced in the prequels and an inherent criticism of people who use race as justification.

Homie over here has his nostalgia goggles set to max if he thinks this isn't in line with the tone of the OG 2.

[Minoa]

Can we like not with the politics, please? This is a thread for video games. You wanna discuss this, there's a thread specifically for it I believe.

Since its specifically about a CEO of a video game developer i think it fits here. We have talked about politics before in this thread when it has tied into gaming as a hobby and people are more than entitled to continue doing so.

You dont have to take part in the current discussion or you can talk about something else.

There is some point to be made here, specifically my concerns about how it seems these days, everything has to be politicised. I mean, I am a strong supporter of reducing inequality, but does that mean I must be offended by Wolfenstein 3D’s use of the Horst Wessel Lied in the context of fighting Nazis?

In my opinion, context matters to me the most in video games.

[Alvecia]

Since its specifically about a CEO of a video game developer i think it fits here. We have talked about politics before in this thread when it has tied into gaming as a hobby and people are more than entitled to continue doing so.

You dont have to take part in the current discussion or you can talk about something else.

There is some point to be made here, specifically my concerns about how it seems these days, everything has to be politicised. I mean, I am a strong supporter of reducing inequality, but does that mean I must be offended by Wolfenstein 3D’s use of the Horst Wessel Lied in the context of fighting Nazis?

In my opinion, context matters to me the most in video games.

I think the idea that everything being politicised is a recent phenomena is something of a bad take. Video games have been political for decades.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Warhammer III Total War has been delayed to early 2022

edit: I dont mind the delay, last thing the warhammer total war games need is a Rome 2 release situation

[Ifreann]

There is some point to be made here, specifically my concerns about how it seems these days, everything has to be politicised. I mean, I am a strong supporter of reducing inequality, but does that mean I must be offended by Wolfenstein 3D’s use of the Horst Wessel Lied in the context of fighting Nazis?

In my opinion, context matters to me the most in video games.

I think the idea that everything being politicised is a recent phenomena is something of a bad take. Video games have been political for decades.

Art is inescapably political.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Since its specifically about a CEO of a video game developer i think it fits here. We have talked about politics before in this thread when it has tied into gaming as a hobby and people are more than entitled to continue doing so.

You dont have to take part in the current discussion or you can talk about something else.

There is some point to be made here, specifically my concerns about how it seems these days, everything has to be politicised. I mean, I am a strong supporter of reducing inequality, but does that mean I must be offended by Wolfenstein 3D’s use of the Horst Wessel Lied in the context of fighting Nazis?

In my opinion, context matters to me the most in video games.

Everything doesnt have to be politicised nor do i think everything is politicised. I agree with Alvecia personally, games have handled political topics for a long time, i think its just become more noticeable and talked about, as well as some people just using "politics" as a term to complain about things and dress it as something its not, but i do not feel everything is becoming "politicised".

Its like Art, Art is an inherently political medium a lot of the time and a lot of Art does aim to convey a political message or belief, the same can apply to games as i personally see video games not only as an entertainment medium but another form of art. For your wolfenstein example no... you dont need to feel offended if you dont want to and i do agree context for a lot of things is important, including games.

My comment towards Ameri was to do with a political situation happening in the context of video games as an industry with a CEO weighing into a political topic that affects a lot of people in the US and the loss of his job as a result of that. Something i feel people should talk about here if they want.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Deathloop is getting some pretty solid reviews from what ive seen. Its a Windows and PS5 exclusive so ill see about maybe picking it up on PC in the near future or might hold off for an eventual xbox release at some point.

[Serrus]

Even though the KOTOR remake isn't out yet, Anti-SJWs are already complaining about the game.

https://youtu.be/W04ujQHOBUw

Can someone who speaks crazy explain why they're so pissed?

[Herador]

I think the idea that everything being politicised is a recent phenomena is something of a bad take. Video games have been political for decades.

Art is inescapably political.

This is the correct takeaway here, even when video games were mostly in arcades in the 80's they were a political issue. Politicizing of videogames isn't recent, the political issues around them just changed with the times is all.

[Ameriganastan]

Even though the KOTOR remake isn't out yet, Anti-SJWs are already complaining about the game.

https://youtu.be/W04ujQHOBUw

Can someone who speaks crazy explain why they're so pissed?

They hired a woman writer who doesn't treat the sequel trilogy like it killed her dog.

So naturally the fanboys are having a meltdown over both factors.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Art is inescapably political.

This is the correct takeaway here, even when video games were mostly in arcades in the 80's they were a political issue. Politicizing of videogames isn't recent, the political issues around them just changed with the times is all.

I mean, I look at it as most games are inherently not political and recently people have been more aware of the few that are. I mean, you can't go well and say Tetris has political themes, no one will take you seriously. What the shapes of the cubes is the working class conforming and fitting into society? Come on now.

I can likewise think the same for most games nowadays. Even Last of Us 2 isn't really political at its fundamental core. It just has a theme of "violence is bad." Which isn't inherently a political statement.

[The Huskar Social Union]

This is the correct takeaway here, even when video games were mostly in arcades in the 80's they were a political issue. Politicizing of videogames isn't recent, the political issues around them just changed with the times is all.

I mean, I look at it as most games are inherently not political and recently people have been more aware of the few that are. I mean, you can't go well and say Tetris has political themes, no one will take you seriously. What the shapes of the cubes is the working class conforming and fitting into society? Come on now.

I can likewise think the same for most games nowadays. Even Last of Us 2 isn't really political at its fundamental core. It just has a theme of "violence is bad." Which isn't inherently a political statement.

No no no no no no no no

The Last of Us 2 is the most political game ever made

Because uh.... reasons

Big muscular reasons

[The first Galactic Republic]

I mean, I look at it as most games are inherently not political and recently people have been more aware of the few that are. I mean, you can't go well and say Tetris has political themes, no one will take you seriously. What the shapes of the cubes is the working class conforming and fitting into society? Come on now.

I can likewise think the same for most games nowadays. Even Last of Us 2 isn't really political at its fundamental core. It just has a theme of "violence is bad." Which isn't inherently a political statement.

No no no no no no no no

The Last of Us 2 is the most political game ever made

Because uh.... reasons

Big muscular reasons

It had lots of politics. It was just filled to the brim with girthy, well toned politics. Massive, throbbing, veiny tracts of raw, beefy politics.

Anyway, KOTOR. Sounds fun.

[Imperial isa]

That video of her is the first time i heard of anyone getting rape by a hacker on GTAO

edit: I dont mind the delay, last thing the warhammer total war games need is a Rome 2 release situation

Oh miss out on that news how bad was it ?

[The Huskar Social Union]

That video of her is the first time i heard of anyone getting rape by a hacker on GTAO

edit: I dont mind the delay, last thing the warhammer total war games need is a Rome 2 release situation

Oh miss out on that news how bad was it ?

Rome 2?

It ran like shit, even on a lot of high end PC's people had major technical and performance problems getting the game to work. The AI was completely broken and struggled to do basic army moves in battle, game mechanics just didn't work or were really bad in design. Like some of the open field battles had random victory points that if you didn't capture you would lose the battle even if you didn't lose a single soldier so it forced you to deploy in certain places.

There was a Massive number of glitches including some pretty hilarious graphical ones like this or gameplay breaking ones like ships sailing through the land. Lots of issues regarding textures that people just couldnt fix for a good while and all sorts of balancing issues. Like units couldnt keep their formation and every battle turned into a huge mob that ended in like five minutes.

Also lots of DLC that were basically reskinned factions with very little variety, was not worth it. The DLC they do for the warhammer games, even though there is a lot of it is far superior in design and quality as you get completely unique factions and lords with their own mechanics, new units etc.

ROME 2 is a lot better now though, lots of fun to play, it just took a long time to get to that point.

[Heloin]

That video of her is the first time i heard of anyone getting rape by a hacker on GTAO


Oh miss out on that news how bad was it ?

Rome 2?

It ran like shit, even on a lot of high end PC's people had major technical and performance problems getting the game to work. The AI was completely broken and struggled to do basic army moves in battle, game mechanics just didn't work or were really bad in design. Like some of the open field battles had random victory points that if you didn't capture you would lose the battle even if you didn't lose a single soldier so it forced you to deploy in certain places.

There was a Massive number of glitches including some pretty hilarious graphical ones like this or gameplay breaking ones like ships sailing through the land. Lots of issues regarding textures that people just couldnt fix for a good while and all sorts of balancing issues. Like units couldnt keep their formation and every battle turned into a huge mob that ended in like five minutes.

It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times.

[Imperial isa]

That video of her is the first time i heard of anyone getting rape by a hacker on GTAO


Oh miss out on that news how bad was it ?

Rome 2?

It ran like shit, even on a lot of high end PC's people had major technical and performance problems getting the game to work. The AI was completely broken and struggled to do basic army moves in battle, game mechanics just didn't work or were really bad in design. Like some of the open field battles had random victory points that if you didn't capture you would lose the battle even if you didn't lose a single soldier so it forced you to deploy in certain places.

There was a Massive number of glitches including some pretty hilarious graphical ones like this or gameplay breaking ones like ships sailing through the land. Lots of issues regarding textures that people just couldnt fix for a good while and all sorts of balancing issues. Like units couldnt keep their formation and every battle turned into a huge mob that ended in like five minutes.

Also lots of DLC that were basically reskinned factions with very little variety, was not worth it. The DLC they do for the warhammer games, even though there is a lot of it is far superior in design and quality as you get completely unique factions and lords with their own mechanics, new units etc.

ROME 2 is a lot better now though, lots of fun to play, it just took a long time to get to that point.

Wow so that ship wasn't meant to be a land ship?

Well good they work things out but sound like it need more testing before putting it out.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Rome 2?

It ran like shit, even on a lot of high end PC's people had major technical and performance problems getting the game to work. The AI was completely broken and struggled to do basic army moves in battle, game mechanics just didn't work or were really bad in design. Like some of the open field battles had random victory points that if you didn't capture you would lose the battle even if you didn't lose a single soldier so it forced you to deploy in certain places.

There was a Massive number of glitches including some pretty hilarious graphical ones like this or gameplay breaking ones like ships sailing through the land. Lots of issues regarding textures that people just couldnt fix for a good while and all sorts of balancing issues. Like units couldnt keep their formation and every battle turned into a huge mob that ended in like five minutes.

Also lots of DLC that were basically reskinned factions with very little variety, was not worth it. The DLC they do for the warhammer games, even though there is a lot of it is far superior in design and quality as you get completely unique factions and lords with their own mechanics, new units etc.

ROME 2 is a lot better now though, lots of fun to play, it just took a long time to get to that point.

Wow so that ship wasn't meant to be a land ship?

Well good they work things out but sound like it need more testing before putting it out.

Creative Assembly has PTSD over the entire situation. I don't think I've seen a release since Rome 2 that was considered a poor initial release, or buggy. They don't want to go through that shit ever again it seems like.

[Alvecia]

Deathloop is getting some pretty solid reviews from what ive seen. Its a Windows and PS5 exclusive so ill see about maybe picking it up on PC in the near future or might hold off for an eventual xbox release at some point.

I have beef with Deathloop.

It's been advertised to me so many times in the various games cons and showcases over what feels like the past 10 years, that I don't want to play it out of spite.
Made difficult by the fact that eveyone seems to be saying it's actually really good.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Lmao, Epic Games lost their lawsuit hard. The only thing that was in apples favor was the external purchases, but even that still gets the 30% apple charge.

In the eyes of the court, if you are actively benefiting from the apple ecosystem, you need to pay up. Tim Sweeney thought he could skip rent, lmao.

[Valentine Z]

On the topic of games and politics, one franchise that for me pretty nicely would be Bioshock 1 and 2 (no comment on Infinite because I have not played it yet).

It does definitely have politics, that's obvious. But there's also the atmosphere, the design/art, and the horror aspect of it that plays harmoniously without one element overshadowing the other. Something about making a game fun, and being subtle or having complex interpretations.

I'm going to say something like Fallout NV. I'm aware that's an overused example, but hey, even now you kinda have broken bases on which side is the best without the "Evilz Vs Good Guys".

[Corrian]

Since its specifically about a CEO of a video game developer i think it fits here. We have talked about politics before in this thread when it has tied into gaming as a hobby and people are more than entitled to continue doing so.

You dont have to take part in the current discussion or you can talk about something else.

There is some point to be made here, specifically my concerns about how it seems these days, everything has to be politicised. I mean, I am a strong supporter of reducing inequality, but does that mean I must be offended by Wolfenstein 3D’s use of the Horst Wessel Lied in the context of fighting Nazis?

In my opinion, context matters to me the most in video games.

The only reason "everything has been politicized" is even a viewpoint is because those people themselves suddenly decided to see everything as political. Half the time its their fault that things are "politicized all the time now" because they're literally the only ones seeing it as political.

[Ifreann]

This is the correct takeaway here, even when video games were mostly in arcades in the 80's they were a political issue. Politicizing of videogames isn't recent, the political issues around them just changed with the times is all.

I mean, I look at it as most games are inherently not political and recently people have been more aware of the few that are.

Even apolitical things are political. Think about it, if we look at a game and consider it not to be political, then that tells us something about what our politics are. Like a black hole, we can see politics by looking at where not-politics ends and the inescapable crushing forces begin.

I mean, you can't go well and say Tetris has political themes, no one will take you seriously. What the shapes of the cubes is the working class conforming and fitting into society? Come on now.

Tetris was developed in the Academy of Sciences of the Soviet Union, which operated under the Council of Ministers of the Soviet Union. But sure, no politics in the government of the Soviet Union.

I can likewise think the same for most games nowadays. Even Last of Us 2 isn't really political at its fundamental core. It just has a theme of "violence is bad." Which isn't inherently a political statement.

I mean, yeah it is? When violence is and isn't permissible is a very political question. Cycles of revenge of the kind that is* explored in TLOU2 have plagued mankind for as long as we've had anything close to an organised society.

*I am given to understand, I haven't played it.

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I mean, I look at it as most games are inherently not political and recently people have been more aware of the few that are. I mean, you can't go well and say Tetris has political themes, no one will take you seriously. What the shapes of the cubes is the working class conforming and fitting into society? Come on now.

I can likewise think the same for most games nowadays. Even Last of Us 2 isn't really political at its fundamental core. It just has a theme of "violence is bad." Which isn't inherently a political statement.

No no no no no no no no

The Last of Us 2 is the most political game ever made

Because uh.... reasons

Big muscular reasons

Politics is when girl have muscles, and the more muscles girl have the more politicser it is.

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There is some point to be made here, specifically my concerns about how it seems these days, everything has to be politicised. I mean, I am a strong supporter of reducing inequality, but does that mean I must be offended by Wolfenstein 3D’s use of the Horst Wessel Lied in the context of fighting Nazis?

In my opinion, context matters to me the most in video games.

The only reason "everything has been politicized" is even a viewpoint is because those people themselves suddenly decided to see everything as political. Half the time its their fault that things are "politicized all the time now" because they're literally the only ones seeing it as political.

I'd say that part of the reason that people think games are all politicised now is because there's an ecosystem of content creators telling them that, and they didn't have that back when they were playing Fallout or Deus Ex.

[Genivaria]

The moment you start having actual characters with conflicting points of view and ideologies you now have the basics of a political/philosophical conflict which is often used in good storytelling.

If you dont want 'politics in your video games' go play pong.