Thread for Gamers IX: God Howard Starfield Edition

[Purpelia]

Just finished about half a hour of Doom Eternal and I'll say this. Don't buy the game. Forget it exists. The whole experience was just frustrating and annoying to no end. And the reason is one word PLATFORMING.

WHO THE HELL THOUGHT INCLUDING PLATFORMING IN A DOOM GAME WAS A GOOD IDEA SHOULD BE SHOT!

[The Huskar Social Union]

Just finished about half a hour of Doom Eternal and I'll say this. Don't buy the game. Forget it exists. The whole experience was just frustrating and annoying to no end. And the reason is one word PLATFORMING.

WHO THE HELL THOUGHT INCLUDING PLATFORMING IN A DOOM GAME WAS A GOOD IDEA SHOULD BE SHOT!

Eh i dont think the platforming is honestly that bad. Most of the time anyway, occasionally its a bit awkward but for the most part i was fine with it.

[Purpelia]

Just finished about half a hour of Doom Eternal and I'll say this. Don't buy the game. Forget it exists. The whole experience was just frustrating and annoying to no end. And the reason is one word PLATFORMING.

WHO THE HELL THOUGHT INCLUDING PLATFORMING IN A DOOM GAME WAS A GOOD IDEA SHOULD BE SHOT!

Eh i dont think the platforming is honestly that bad. Most of the time anyway, occasionally its a bit awkward but for the most part i was fine with it.

I just spent 20 minutes trying to do a fucking jump across a chasm using a yellow pipe and than ragequit.
I literally spend more of my 1st ever playhtrogh of the game on that one jumping puzzle than I did killing demons.

It's like a bad throwback to early 2000's shooters where you had puzzles thrown in every once in a while to make sure you don't get drawn into fun too much.

It's just annoying trial and error practice until you make it gameplay. And that does NOT belong in a DOOM game. DOOM is supposed to be about running around and blasting things with a big gun. Its about being the unstoppable badass hero. Not about spending all your game time trying to swing off a pipe like a mentally impaired chimpanzee.

[New haven america]

Eh i dont think the platforming is honestly that bad. Most of the time anyway, occasionally its a bit awkward but for the most part i was fine with it.

I just spent 20 minutes trying to do a fucking jump across a chasm using a yellow pipe and than ragequit.
I literally spend more of my 1st ever playhtrogh of the game on that one jumping puzzle than I did killing demons.

It's like a bad throwback to early 2000's shooters where you had puzzles thrown in every once in a while to make sure you don't get drawn into fun too much.

It's just annoying trial and error practice until you make it gameplay. And that does NOT belong in a DOOM game. DOOM is supposed to be about running around and blasting things with a big gun. Its about being the unstoppable badass hero. Not about spending all your game time trying to swing off a pipe like a mentally impaired chimpanzee.

Meanwhile, I'm sitting over here having taken 2+ years to solve a stupid rock puzzle in Pokemon.

20 min to figure something out is fine.

[Purpelia]

I just spent 20 minutes trying to do a fucking jump across a chasm using a yellow pipe and than ragequit.
I literally spend more of my 1st ever playhtrogh of the game on that one jumping puzzle than I did killing demons.

It's like a bad throwback to early 2000's shooters where you had puzzles thrown in every once in a while to make sure you don't get drawn into fun too much.

It's just annoying trial and error practice until you make it gameplay. And that does NOT belong in a DOOM game. DOOM is supposed to be about running around and blasting things with a big gun. Its about being the unstoppable badass hero. Not about spending all your game time trying to swing off a pipe like a mentally impaired chimpanzee.

Meanwhile, I'm sitting over here having taken 2+ years to solve a stupid rock puzzle in Pokemon.

20 min to figure something out is fine.

Different games have different expectations. I don't mind spending lots of time on a puzzle in a puzzle game. That's what I am paying for. But in a fast paced shooter having things being interrupted by a badly done platforming section is just aggravating. Plus the other aspects of the game aren't that fantastic either. Like the shooting is easily inferior to the 2016 version.

[Andsed]

Just finished about half a hour of Doom Eternal and I'll say this. Don't buy the game. Forget it exists. The whole experience was just frustrating and annoying to no end. And the reason is one word PLATFORMING.

WHO THE HELL THOUGHT INCLUDING PLATFORMING IN A DOOM GAME WAS A GOOD IDEA SHOULD BE SHOT!

Honestly I barely noticed the platforming.

[Alvecia]

Just finished about half a hour of Doom Eternal and I'll say this. Don't buy the game. Forget it exists. The whole experience was just frustrating and annoying to no end. And the reason is one word PLATFORMING.

WHO THE HELL THOUGHT INCLUDING PLATFORMING IN A DOOM GAME WAS A GOOD IDEA SHOULD BE SHOT!

Honestly I barely noticed the platforming.

I quite enjoyed it. The platforming and puzzle solving in between the fights made for some well paced downtime.

[Purpelia]

Honestly I barely noticed the platforming.

I quite enjoyed it. The platforming and puzzle solving in between the fights made for some well paced downtime.

Downtime has no place in a DOOM game. DOOM is the antithesis of downtime. It's running around hallways at just too fast a speed to be comfortable blasting your way through levels with metal blaring in the background.

[Alvecia]

I quite enjoyed it. The platforming and puzzle solving in between the fights made for some well paced downtime.

Downtime has no place in a DOOM game. DOOM is the antithesis of downtime. It's running around hallways at just too fast a speed to be comfortable blasting your way through levels with metal blaring in the background.

I don't think you can get away with that these days. It'd be boring, exhausting, or both.

[Purpelia]

Downtime has no place in a DOOM game. DOOM is the antithesis of downtime. It's running around hallways at just too fast a speed to be comfortable blasting your way through levels with metal blaring in the background.

I don't think you can get away with that these days. It'd be boring, exhausting, or both.

You seriously need to play the original DOOM and revisit that post of yours. Seriously. Just do it. You can get the shareware version with the first few levels for free online and use an emulator like GZdoom to run it problem free like any modern game.
You will newer want to play another shooter again. Except maybe DOOM2.

[Andsed]

I quite enjoyed it. The platforming and puzzle solving in between the fights made for some well paced downtime.

Downtime has no place in a DOOM game. DOOM is the antithesis of downtime. It's running around hallways at just too fast a speed to be comfortable blasting your way through levels with metal blaring in the background.

Game series evolve over time so I don't see why Doom cannot begin to incorporate new elements into their games.

[Purpelia]

Downtime has no place in a DOOM game. DOOM is the antithesis of downtime. It's running around hallways at just too fast a speed to be comfortable blasting your way through levels with metal blaring in the background.

Game series evolve over time so I don't see why Doom cannot begin to incorporate new elements into their games.

So do TV shows. But I'd complain if the new Star Trek turned out to be a series about 19th century american colonists discussing the stars as they trek across the wilderness of North America looking for a place to settle.


But realistically I did not expect this to live up to the original DOOM. Nothing can. And I am not begrudging it that. Obviously. If I did that I might as well begrudge humans for not living up to the example set by god.

What I was however expecting and what I am complaining about is that it did not live up to its direct 2016 predecessor. That's my beef with the game. The 2016 game to me had better pacing, weapons that felt better and did not run out of ammo after a handful of shots, larger areas that did not feel so restricted and actually gave you room to explore and just plain better encounters overall. And overall it just felt faster, more energetic and more fun. It felt right. It felt like DOOM even if it obviously was not a copy of the original but its own distinct thing with its own distinct mechanics.

This new game is slower, has worse encounter design, linear levels with little room to explore, secrets which are trivially easy to find, enemies that are just less fun to kill, encounters meant to exhaust your ammo and force you into melee (as opposed to the 2016 game where melee was an aid you could rely on but not a crutch you were constantly forced to lean on) and frankly unwelcome jumping puzzles that fail because the mechanics of the game simply don't lend them self to them very well.

Also the platforming sections just weren't fun for another reason. They didn't make me feel awesome. Like if you want to have platforming in your game fine. But make it easy to pull off and give me some form of feedback to make my character look awesome while doing it. Make them fast, energetic and most importantly don't make me have pixel perfect precision and split second reflexes for when I have to hit the space bar. Like seriously. I've not encountered a puzzle in this game I didn't solve first time round. But I've encountered plenty I couldn't pull off because I didn't time the spacebar right.

[Andsed]

Game series evolve over time so I don't see why Doom cannot begin to incorporate new elements into their games.

So do TV shows. But I'd complain if the new Star Trek turned out to be a series about 19th century american colonists discussing the stars as they trek across the wilderness of North America looking for a place to settle.

Well that is because that is not Star Trek. The new Doom games are still Doom. They still have all the fun demon slaying, now just broken up by some slower gameplay. I find it to be a quite welcome change tbh. Keeps all the fast paced action from becoming worn out.

[Alvecia]

I don't think you can get away with that these days. It'd be boring, exhausting, or both.

You seriously need to play the original DOOM and revisit that post of yours. Seriously. Just do it. You can get the shareware version with the first few levels for free online and use an emulator like GZdoom to run it problem free like any modern game.
You will newer want to play another shooter again. Except maybe DOOM2.

I've seen some playthroughs. The original doesn't really interest me enough to try it.
They're obviously very different games, and I think that's a good thing. A series shouldn't be beholden to the original deisgn, else every game franchise would just be the FIFA series.

[Cisairse]

Just finished about half a hour of Doom Eternal and I'll say this. Don't buy the game. Forget it exists.

Cool, I was already planning on forgetting that it exists, glad I was vindicated here.

[Cisairse]

Downtime has no place in a DOOM game. DOOM is the antithesis of downtime. It's running around hallways at just too fast a speed to be comfortable blasting your way through levels with metal blaring in the background.

I don't think you can get away with that these days. It'd be boring, exhausting, or both.

DOOM 2016 had virtually nodowntime except for the brief dialogues that advance the plot.

Of course, OG DOOM and OG DOOM 2 were absolutely horrible for their ridiculous amounts of downtime caused by their mazelike levels and absolutely ridiculous color-coded pass system. DOOM 2016 actually got it spot-on.

[Purpelia]

See my long edit. I sort of kept on typing and typing.

[Cisairse]

Yeah I mean considering Doom 3 killed the series for a decade you would have thought that they learned their lesson.

I'm still pissed, and will probably never stop being pissed, about how they mutilated the Wolfenstein series into something unrecognizable.

[Purpelia]

You seriously need to play the original DOOM and revisit that post of yours. Seriously. Just do it. You can get the shareware version with the first few levels for free online and use an emulator like GZdoom to run it problem free like any modern game.
You will newer want to play another shooter again. Except maybe DOOM2.

I've seen some playthroughs. The original doesn't really interest me enough to try it.
They're obviously very different games, and I think that's a good thing. A series shouldn't be beholden to the original deisgn, else every game franchise would just be the FIFA series.

DOOM is honestly one of those games that look boring when you watch them because the fun comes from immersing your self in the gameplay. Like the raw energy of running like a madman left and right with a shotgun blowing things up trying to find your way through a maze where everything is out to kill you in the shortest time possible to try and beat that par time is where it's at.


EDIT: Mind you I am not saying that the new DOOM is a terrible game and you can't have fun with it. What I am saying is that it's a step down from 2016 and thus disappointed me immensely. Its still leagues better than say Duke Nukem Forever.

[Alvecia]

I don't think you can get away with that these days. It'd be boring, exhausting, or both.

DOOM 2016 had virtually nodowntime except for the brief dialogues that advance the plot.

Of course, OG DOOM and OG DOOM 2 were absolutely horrible for their ridiculous amounts of downtime caused by their mazelike levels and absolutely ridiculous color-coded pass system. DOOM 2016 actually got it spot-on.

Doom 2016 had loads of downtime. Secret hunting, traversing between arenas, etc.

In fact, arguably Doom 2016 had more downtime than Eternal, at least in my experience thus far.

[Alvecia]

I've seen some playthroughs. The original doesn't really interest me enough to try it.
They're obviously very different games, and I think that's a good thing. A series shouldn't be beholden to the original deisgn, else every game franchise would just be the FIFA series.

DOOM is honestly one of those games that look boring when you watch them because the fun comes from immersing your self in the gameplay. Like the raw energy of running like a madman left and right with a shotgun blowing things up trying to find your way through a maze where everything is out to kill you in the shortest time possible to try and beat that par time is where it's at.


EDIT: Mind you I am not saying that the new DOOM is a terrible game and you can't have fun with it. What I am saying is that it's a step down from 2016 and thus disappointed me immensely. Its still leagues better than say Duke Nukem Forever.

Sorry, but that just doesn't sound fun to me. Even with Eternal, there are times where I need to take a break and go do something else. Personally, I don't think there's an aspect of 2016 that wasn't improved upon in Eternal.

[Cisairse]

DOOM is honestly one of those games that look boring when you watch them because the fun comes from immersing your self in the gameplay. Like the raw energy of running like a madman left and right with a shotgun blowing things up trying to find your way through a maze where everything is out to kill you in the shortest time possible to try and beat that par time is where it's at.


EDIT: Mind you I am not saying that the new DOOM is a terrible game and you can't have fun with it. What I am saying is that it's a step down from 2016 and thus disappointed me immensely. Its still leagues better than say Duke Nukem Forever.

Sorry, but that just doesn't sound fun to me. Even with Eternal, there are times where I need to take a break and go do something else. Personally, I don't think there's an aspect of 2016 that wasn't improved upon in Eternal.

That's what the pause menu is for

[Alvecia]

Sorry, but that just doesn't sound fun to me. Even with Eternal, there are times where I need to take a break and go do something else. Personally, I don't think there's an aspect of 2016 that wasn't improved upon in Eternal.

That's what the pause menu is for

Interestingly, you and Purpelia seem to have very different opinions on the downtime in the original Doom.

[Barboneia]

Just finished about half a hour of Doom Eternal and I'll say this. Don't buy the game. Forget it exists. The whole experience was just frustrating and annoying to no end. And the reason is one word PLATFORMING.

WHO THE HELL THOUGHT INCLUDING PLATFORMING IN A DOOM GAME WAS A GOOD IDEA SHOULD BE SHOT!

There was platforming in Doom 2016.

[Ameriganastan]

Just finished about half a hour of Doom Eternal and I'll say this. Don't buy the game. Forget it exists. The whole experience was just frustrating and annoying to no end. And the reason is one word PLATFORMING.

WHO THE HELL THOUGHT INCLUDING PLATFORMING IN A DOOM GAME WAS A GOOD IDEA SHOULD BE SHOT!

There was platforming in Doom 2016.

What he said.