Thread for Gamers IX: God Howard Starfield Edition

[Purpelia]

That much I agree with. These things should definitively fall under gambling laws if they rely on lootboxes or similar mechanics. But if it's just a case of exploiting people who are willing to spend on microtransactions that aren't based on luck than that's not gambling. It's just a case of a fool and his money being easily parted.


There is a saying where I came from which goes something like: That witch fell was prone to falling. I guess the English equivalent is a fool and his money are easily parted. Either way it describes how I feel about these things. Than again I am of the opinion that drugs should be legal on the grounds that suicide should not be a crime. So there is that.

Considerable effort goes into designing microtransaction fuelled games to generate the maximum amount of money. People aren't being easily parted from their money at all.

So you are saying it's money well earned. What is the problem than?

[Ifreann]

Considerable effort goes into designing microtransaction fuelled games to generate the maximum amount of money. People aren't being easily parted from their money at all.

So you are saying it's money well earned. What is the problem than?

I don't think the money is earned at all. People are manipulated and exploited. And, though I imagine you might disagree, I think that's bad.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Considerable effort goes into designing microtransaction fuelled games to generate the maximum amount of money. People aren't being easily parted from their money at all.

So you are saying it's money well earned. What is the problem than?

Its all the manipulation of gambling with none of the regulation.

[Arachkya]

*watches*

<Has not gamed in years.

[Purpelia]

So you are saying it's money well earned. What is the problem than?

Its all the manipulation of gambling with none of the regulation.

Lootboxes and other random based things are indeed gambling and should be regulated as such. But regular microtransactions are just plain old manipulation. And if you have a problem with that you pretty much have a problem with the fundamental concepts of capitalism and marketing.

So you are saying it's money well earned. What is the problem than?

I don't think the money is earned at all. People are manipulated and exploited. And, though I imagine you might disagree, I think that's bad.

You do realize that we live in capitalism? As in the system designed explicitly to glorify and facilitate the exploitation of others?
Bottom line is that nobody is forcing these whales to ruin their lives by wasting money on a game. They do it voluntarily. And I am of the firm belief that nobody should ever step in and prevent someone from doing harm to them self voluntarily.

[Ifreann]

Its all the manipulation of gambling with none of the regulation.

Lootboxes and other random based things are indeed gambling and should be regulated as such. But regular microtransactions are just plain old manipulation. And if you have a problem with that you pretty much have a problem with the fundamental concepts of capitalism and marketing.

I don't think the money is earned at all. People are manipulated and exploited. And, though I imagine you might disagree, I think that's bad.

You do realize that we live in capitalism? As in the system designed explicitly to glorify and facilitate the exploitation of others?

And that's bad.

Bottom line is that nobody is forcing these whales to ruin their lives by wasting money on a game. They do it voluntarily. And I am of the firm belief that nobody should ever step in and prevent someone from doing harm to them self voluntarily.

If people are being manipulated and exploited then it's not really voluntary.

[Purpelia]

If people are being manipulated and exploited then it's not really voluntary.

Of course it is. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. Hence voluntary.

[Ism]

If people are being manipulated and exploited then it's not really voluntary.

Of course it is. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. Hence voluntary.

Just because a casino doesn't force addicts to gamble, doesn't mean we should just look away while their addiction destroys them. And if you're spending thousands, or even just hundreds, of dollars on these games, you have a problem.

[Purpelia]

Of course it is. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. Hence voluntary.

Just because a casino doesn't force addicts to gamble, doesn't mean we should just look away while their addiction destroys them. And if you're spending thousands, or even just hundreds, of dollars on these games, you have a problem.

That you do. But it is your problem to manage. Put simply, if you want to put a gun to your head and pull the trigger it is wrong for me to stop you.

[Ism]

Just because a casino doesn't force addicts to gamble, doesn't mean we should just look away while their addiction destroys them. And if you're spending thousands, or even just hundreds, of dollars on these games, you have a problem.

That you do. But it is your problem to manage. Put simply, if you want to put a gun to your head and pull the trigger it is wrong for me to stop you.

Not necessarily. If the person in question suffers from mental illness, then it would be wrong to allow them to take such an action, as they are not in a proper state of mind to make such a decision.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Just because a casino doesn't force addicts to gamble, doesn't mean we should just look away while their addiction destroys them. And if you're spending thousands, or even just hundreds, of dollars on these games, you have a problem.

That you do. But it is your problem to manage. Put simply, if you want to put a gun to your head and pull the trigger it is wrong for me to stop you.

Some people cant manage that problem and need help, and it would be wrong to allow them to continue with it as it would only be more self destructive.

I see it first hand a lot as i work in a bookies, and we have methods/services to try and help people we feel are going too far.

[Purpelia]

That you do. But it is your problem to manage. Put simply, if you want to put a gun to your head and pull the trigger it is wrong for me to stop you.

Not necessarily. If the person in question suffers from mental illness, then it would be wrong to allow them to take such an action, as they are not in a proper state of mind to make such a decision.

Their state of mind is their own. It is not up to me or anyone else to decide what someone is capable or incapable of choosing for him self. That road leads to discrimination disguised as charity.

That you do. But it is your problem to manage. Put simply, if you want to put a gun to your head and pull the trigger it is wrong for me to stop you.

Some people cant manage that problem and need help, and it would be wrong to allow them to continue with it as it would only be more self destructive.

I see it first hand a lot as i work in a bookies, and we have methods/services to try and help people we feel are going too far.

If they seek help out than help them. If they do not seek help out than do not force it upon them. Either way the bookie is not to blame.

[Rainbowsix]

i would love to play with someone on PS4 I play fortnite, rainbow six siege, GTA, and rocket league (on PS4)

[Skylus]

Okami is coming back bois

[Ifreann]

If people are being manipulated and exploited then it's not really voluntary.

Of course it is. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. Hence voluntary.

Disagree.

[Purpelia]

Of course it is. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. Hence voluntary.

Disagree.

You do realize that definitions are what they are irregardless of your opinion of them.

[Ifreann]

Disagree.

You do realize that definitions are what they are irregardless of your opinion of them.

If you want to play the dictionary game, perhaps you could explain to me what "irregardless" means. What is "irregard" and what does it mean to be without such a thing? Or is "irregardless" an antonym of "regardless"

[Purpelia]

You do realize that definitions are what they are irregardless of your opinion of them.

If you want to play the dictionary game, perhaps you could explain to me what "irregardless" means. What is "irregard" and what does it mean to be without such a thing? Or is "irregardless" an antonym of "regardless"

Oh do keep on trolling. It brings such intellectual value to your points in this argument.

[Ifreann]

If you want to play the dictionary game, perhaps you could explain to me what "irregardless" means. What is "irregard" and what does it mean to be without such a thing? Or is "irregardless" an antonym of "regardless"

Oh do keep on trolling. It brings such intellectual value to your points in this argument.

Maybe that was unfair. In any case, whether something is really voluntary or not is not a matter for dictionaries. It's also somewhat beyond the scope of the vidya thread.

[New haven america]

If people are being manipulated and exploited then it's not really voluntary.

Of course it is. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. Hence voluntary.

YEs there are.

Games and websites are hiring psychologists to A.. Make them as addictive as possible, and B. Make you as likely as possible to pay for all of their microtransaction/lootbox/DLC bullshit and buy into any ad that pops up.

[Rostavykhan]

Ngl the shameless money-chasing of seditious corporations, and their unchecked preying on the mental weaknesses of consumers, is if anything a good argument in favour of tighter government regulation and oversight.

I'd unironically be more okay with the government cracking down on the AAA industry than allowing it to continue it's current trends at this point. Better that Vidya be ruined by Big Brother than by shareholders and monetization experts.

[Aaaaaa]

If you want any proof regarding how psychologically manipulative some of these games can be, just take a look at Red Dead Redemption 2's Outlaw Pass. Jesus H Christ.

[Immoren]

Disagree.

You do realize that definitions are what they are irregardless of your opinion of them.

Definitions are what we make them to be because language is fake and anarchy.

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Disco Elysium looks interesting, but I feel like I shouldn't buy new games.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

US Senators rip into Acti-Blizzard

[Immoren]

I ended up buying Disco Elysium. RIP