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How indeed, do you game fine sirs or madams?

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Postby Ameriganastan » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:44 am

Valrifell wrote:Do you not see the absurdity in arguing that AC is historically inaccurate in a game where you murder people who otherwise died by natural causes, and where fucking aliens sacrificed themselves to save the human race?

No I do not.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:47 am

Ameriganastan wrote:
Valrifell wrote:Do you not see the absurdity in arguing that AC is historically inaccurate in a game where you murder people who otherwise died by natural causes, and where fucking aliens sacrificed themselves to save the human race?

No I do not.


It's curious how you think games are supposed to be fun and we can't talk about politics, but having a game go against your concept of a historical narrative is reason enough to skip it.

Consistency is all I'm after here.
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Postby Andsed » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:48 am

Valrifell wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Sounds like perfectly logical criticism to me.


Saying that AC doesn't make sense and is historically inaccurate is a fine criticism if and only if you apply it evenly across the series, which you've seemed hesitant to do since you dropped the series at Black Flag.

Do you not see the absurdity in arguing that AC is historically inaccurate in a game where you murder people who otherwise died by natural causes, and where fucking aliens sacrificed themselves to save the human race?

Not to mention that in terms of historical accuracy, there are much bigger fish to fry. Viking assassins is really a non issue.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:50 am

Valrifell wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:No I do not.


It's curious how you think games are supposed to be fun and we can't talk about politics, but having a game go against your concept of a historical narrative is reason enough to skip it.

Consistency is all I'm after here.

ha
Andsed wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Saying that AC doesn't make sense and is historically inaccurate is a fine criticism if and only if you apply it evenly across the series, which you've seemed hesitant to do since you dropped the series at Black Flag.

Do you not see the absurdity in arguing that AC is historically inaccurate in a game where you murder people who otherwise died by natural causes, and where fucking aliens sacrificed themselves to save the human race?

Not to mention that in terms of historical accuracy, there are much bigger fish to fry. Viking assassins is really a non issue.
Yeah like how the vikings look absolutely nothing like real life vikings and look like your average fantasy northern barbarian caricature. And even then, i dont give that much of a fuck about that either but its more egregious than the concept of a viking assassin.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:54 am

Ameriganastan wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
That's not the point. Nothing in the AC series makes sense, you're selectively applying a critical eye to a single game concept in the series when you, apparently, refuse to extend that to the earlier games in the series.

That's hack criticism.

Sounds like perfectly logical criticism to me.

Ifreann wrote:You know that the military is bad and you're angry because...people care? Damn, South Park must have really gotten to you.

I'm angry because this a video game thread, not a thread to whine about what the military is doing. They're corrupt, they've committed war crimes, we can't do anything about that, get over it and get back to video games.

It's a video game thread and the military is trying to use videos game as a recruiting tool.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:58 am

Ifreann wrote:It's a video game thread and the military is trying to use videos game as a recruiting tool.

So what? They use a lot of stuff as a recruitment tool.
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Eric Lumen: Ultimate Chad
Force of nature.
The Ameri Train.
The Ameri song
Tsundere Ameri.
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Ameri goes to court.
Universal Constant
Edward Richtofen wrote:Ameri's so tough that he criticized an Insane Asylum and was promptly let out

Ameri does the impossible.
Fire the Ameri.
Sinovet wrote:Ameri's like Honey badger. He don't give a fuck.

Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity

Onocarcass wrote:Trying to change Ameri, is like trying to drag a 2 ton block of lead with your d**k.

Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:59 am

Ameriganastan wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It's a video game thread and the military is trying to use videos game as a recruiting tool.

So what? They use a lot of stuff as a recruitment tool.

So its worthy of discussion in a thread about video games.
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Postby Andsed » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:02 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
It's curious how you think games are supposed to be fun and we can't talk about politics, but having a game go against your concept of a historical narrative is reason enough to skip it.

Consistency is all I'm after here.

ha
Andsed wrote:Not to mention that in terms of historical accuracy, there are much bigger fish to fry. Viking assassins is really a non issue.
Yeah like how the vikings look absolutely nothing like real life vikings and look like your average fantasy northern barbarian caricature. And even then, i dont give that much of a fuck about that either but its more egregious than the concept of a viking assassin.

Honestly coming to AC for historical accuracy is like coming to COD for an accurate depiction of gunfights.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:03 am

Me: "Hey what have I been missing? Anything goo..."

*Sees that the thread has got super serious*

"K bye."
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:04 am

Andsed wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:haYeah like how the vikings look absolutely nothing like real life vikings and look like your average fantasy northern barbarian caricature. And even then, i dont give that much of a fuck about that either but its more egregious than the concept of a viking assassin.

Honestly coming to AC for historical accuracy is like coming to COD for an accurate depiction of gunfights.

What do you mean dropshotting someone is not accurate???
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Postby Andsed » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:04 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Andsed wrote:Honestly coming to AC for historical accuracy is like coming to COD for an accurate depiction of gunfights.

What do you mean dropshotting someone is not accurate???

Or that I can´t take 3 bullets to the head and be fine like 5 seconds later?!
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:05 am

The New California Republic wrote:Me: "Hey what have I been missing? Anything goo..."

*Sees that the thread has got super serious*

"K bye."

Vikings are not allowed to be Assassins, a bunch of smash players are apparently rapists and sex abusers (though it got its own thread and doesnt seem to be getting talked about here) the US army and video games, Ubisoft toxic work culture and abuse allegations.

Serious business alright
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:06 am

Andsed wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:What do you mean dropshotting someone is not accurate???

Or that I can´t take 3 bullets to the head and be fine like 5 seconds later?!


Say it with me:

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Postby Andsed » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:06 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Me: "Hey what have I been missing? Anything goo..."

*Sees that the thread has got super serious*

"K bye."

Vikings are not allowed to be Assassins, a bunch of smash players are apparently rapists and sex abusers (though it got its own thread and doesnt seem to be getting talked about here) the US army and video games, Ubisoft toxic work culture and abuse allegations.

Serious business alright

...Wat?
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Postby Andsed » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:07 am

Valrifell wrote:
Andsed wrote:Or that I can´t take 3 bullets to the head and be fine like 5 seconds later?!


Say it with me:

RENAISSANCE T A N K

That mission was so fun. And if I remember correctly Leonardo did actually design that. He never built it for several reasons and even made intentional errors to prevent anyone else from building it.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:08 am

Andsed wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Say it with me:

RENAISSANCE T A N K

That mission was so fun. And if I remember correctly Leonardo did actually design that. He just never built it.


Both of these statements are true. Nevertheless it's hopelessly anachronistic as many speculate the device would have never actually worked as intended if it were built to specification.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:10 am

Andsed wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Say it with me:

RENAISSANCE T A N K

That mission was so fun. And if I remember correctly Leonardo did actually design that. He never built it for several reasons and even made intentional errors to prevent anyone else from building it.

AH-HA! So it is more historically feasible than a pirate/viking assassin.

BOOM!
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DENVER BRONCOS fan
Eric Lumen: Ultimate Chad
Force of nature.
The Ameri Train.
The Ameri song
Tsundere Ameri.
HulkAmeri
Ameri goes to court.
Universal Constant
Edward Richtofen wrote:Ameri's so tough that he criticized an Insane Asylum and was promptly let out

Ameri does the impossible.
Fire the Ameri.
Sinovet wrote:Ameri's like Honey badger. He don't give a fuck.

Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity

Onocarcass wrote:Trying to change Ameri, is like trying to drag a 2 ton block of lead with your d**k.

Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*

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Postby Valrifell » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:11 am

Ameriganastan wrote:
Andsed wrote:That mission was so fun. And if I remember correctly Leonardo did actually design that. He never built it for several reasons and even made intentional errors to prevent anyone else from building it.

AH-HA! So it is more historically feasible than a pirate/viking assassin.

BOOM!


Do you even, like, read other people's posts that don't say what you want? That's a neat power, if true.
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Postby Andsed » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:13 am

Ameriganastan wrote:
Andsed wrote:That mission was so fun. And if I remember correctly Leonardo did actually design that. He never built it for several reasons and even made intentional errors to prevent anyone else from building it.

AH-HA! So it is more historically feasible than a pirate/viking assassin.

BOOM!

No? As Valrifell already stated it is speculated that the device may never have worked as intended(which may be due to Leonardo not ever wanting it to be built and thus made intentional errors if I remember correctly.) And as already been explained several times, vikings and pirates did use subterfuge and stealth.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:16 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Me: "Hey what have I been missing? Anything goo..."

*Sees that the thread has got super serious*

"K bye."

Vikings are not allowed to be Assassins, a bunch of smash players are apparently rapists and sex abusers (though it got its own thread and doesnt seem to be getting talked about here) the US army and video games, Ubisoft toxic work culture and abuse allegations.

Serious business alright

Indeed!
Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

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Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:18 am

Andsed wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Vikings are not allowed to be Assassins, a bunch of smash players are apparently rapists and sex abusers (though it got its own thread and doesnt seem to be getting talked about here) the US army and video games, Ubisoft toxic work culture and abuse allegations.

Serious business alright

...Wat?

Multiple high profile smashbros players have been accused of rape, grooming minors and sexual assault (One called Nairo has seemingly admitted their behaviour and what they did)

Also the EVO Co founder has been placed on leave because of sexual assault allegation as well
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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:27 am

Ameriganastan wrote:
Andsed wrote:That mission was so fun. And if I remember correctly Leonardo did actually design that. He never built it for several reasons and even made intentional errors to prevent anyone else from building it.

AH-HA! So it is more historically feasible than a pirate/viking assassin.

BOOM!

If you read what you replied to you'd see that it actually means that it'd be far less historically feasible then a pirate/viking assassin.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:28 am

Ameriganastan wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It's a video game thread and the military is trying to use videos game as a recruiting tool.

So what? They use a lot of stuff as a recruitment tool.

So it's relevant to this thread.


Andsed wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:haYeah like how the vikings look absolutely nothing like real life vikings and look like your average fantasy northern barbarian caricature. And even then, i dont give that much of a fuck about that either but its more egregious than the concept of a viking assassin.

Honestly coming to AC for historical accuracy is like coming to COD for an accurate depiction of gunfights.

In WWII soldiers discovered that they could run much faster by slinging their rifles over their shoulders and drawing a knife or pistol. This changed warfare forever.
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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:29 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:So what? They use a lot of stuff as a recruitment tool.

So it's relevant to this thread.


Andsed wrote:Honestly coming to AC for historical accuracy is like coming to COD for an accurate depiction of gunfights.

In WWII soldiers discovered that they could run much faster by slinging their rifles over their shoulders and drawing a knife or pistol. This changed warfare forever.

Real soldiers only 360 no scope.

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Postby Valrifell » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:31 am

Heloin wrote:
Ifreann wrote:So it's relevant to this thread.



In WWII soldiers discovered that they could run much faster by slinging their rifles over their shoulders and drawing a knife or pistol. This changed warfare forever.

Real soldiers only 360 no scope.


Image


I found that meme quite hilarious in the sixth grade, let me tell you.
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