PDOX Games VIII: Communism Will Win

[The Rich Port]

So again it's basically just acknowledging that trans people exist.

In others words; diversity for diversity's sake.

At the moment, in a lot if circles, the idea exists that main characters should be white, straight and male by default, and that colour, sexuality and gender should be earned.

If you're living under a rock, yes.

I'm not sure how this conversation began but you can't fault people for writing characters that aren't boring white males when there's so few examples of them.

Sure, it might be just for diversity's sake, but it's because there's an overwhelming, suffocating assload of boring white males.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

So again it's basically just acknowledging that trans people exist.

In others words; diversity for diversity's sake.

At the moment, in a lot if circles, the idea exists that main characters should be white, straight and male by default, and that colour, sexuality and gender should be earned.

If you're living under a rock, yes.

You're literally doing the thing in the same post. Trans people don't need to earn the right to be in media. They exist, that is rights enough. Diversity doesn't need to be 'for the sake' of anything. It can just be. Again, diversity does not need to be earned and it does not need a reason.

[The Imperial Reach]

In others words; diversity for diversity's sake.



If you're living under a rock, yes.

I'm not sure how this conversation began but you can't fault people for writing characters that aren't boring white males when there's so few examples of them.

Sure, it might be just for diversity's sake, but it's because there's an overwhelming, suffocating assload of boring white males.

It's not about the over-representation of a major demographic, it's about the poor incorporation of the minor demographic in a way that feels unnatural and fake. I don't care what a character is so long as they aren't horribly written, which Token Diverse Characters™ always are. I'm sorry but if I was gay I wouldn't give two shits about a gay character being portrayed in media if it's done poorly - I'd much rather have my demographic be portrayed accurately and realistically or not at all.

In others words; diversity for diversity's sake.



If you're living under a rock, yes.

You're literally doing the thing in the same post. Trans people don't need to earn the right to be in media. They exist, that is rights enough. Diversity doesn't need to be 'for the sake' of anything. It can just be. Again, diversity does not need to be earned and it does not need a reason.

You don't get to be in media just because you exist; that's an idiotic argument. You're just playing devil's advocate for shitty writing. As an aspiring writer myself, I must say I'm a bit disgusted by that. When I write minority characters I don't write them as minorities; I write them as people. There is no excuse for any other so-called "writer" not doing the same. Stop apologizing for hack writing.

[The Rich Port]

In others words; diversity for diversity's sake.



If you're living under a rock, yes.

You're literally doing the thing in the same post. Trans people don't need to earn the right to be in media. They exist, that is rights enough. Diversity doesn't need to be 'for the sake' of anything. It can just be. Again, diversity does not need to be earned and it does not need a reason.

Common, didn't you know. The white male is the only protagonist, as per Victoria 2 and CK2

Reminds me of everybody who complained about all the new insane features in Holy Fury. Turning Tartaria into a feminazi anti-male progressivist hell hole is now part of the challenge.

[The Rich Port]

I'm not sure how this conversation began but you can't fault people for writing characters that aren't boring white males when there's so few examples of them.

Sure, it might be just for diversity's sake, but it's because there's an overwhelming, suffocating assload of boring white males.

It's not about the over-representation of a major demographic, it's about the poor incorporation of the minor demographic in a way that feels unnatural and fake. I don't care what a character is so long as they aren't horribly written, which Token Diverse Characters™ always are. I'm sorry but if I was gay I wouldn't give two shits about a gay character being portrayed in media if it's done poorly - I'd much rather have my demographic be portrayed accurately and realistically or not at all.

You're literally doing the thing in the same post. Trans people don't need to earn the right to be in media. They exist, that is rights enough. Diversity doesn't need to be 'for the sake' of anything. It can just be. Again, diversity does not need to be earned and it does not need a reason.

You don't get to be in media just because you exist; that's an idiotic argument. You're just playing devil's advocate for shitty writing. As an aspiring writer myself, I must say I'm a bit disgusted by that. When I write minority characters I don't write them as minorities; I write them as people. There is no excuse for any other so-called "writer" not doing the same. Stop apologizing for hack writing.

Yeah, you don't get to write good minority characters without PRACTICING at it and finding what works and what doesn't. So instead of letting artists do what they want, you would rather prohibit them from expressing themselves. OK.

[Impaled Nazarene]

So again it's basically just acknowledging that trans people exist.

In others words; diversity for diversity's sake.

At the moment, in a lot if circles, the idea exists that main characters should be white, straight and male by default, and that colour, sexuality and gender should be earned.

If you're living under a rock, yes.

Go be transphobic elsewhere

[The Imperial Reach]

You're literally doing the thing in the same post. Trans people don't need to earn the right to be in media. They exist, that is rights enough. Diversity doesn't need to be 'for the sake' of anything. It can just be. Again, diversity does not need to be earned and it does not need a reason.

Common, didn't you know. The white male is the only protagonist, as per Victoria 2 and CK2

Reminds me of everybody who complained about all the new insane features in Holy Fury. Turning Tartaria into a feminazi anti-male progressivist hell hole is now part of the challenge.

Depicted above: someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.

[The Imperial Reach]

It's not about the over-representation of a major demographic, it's about the poor incorporation of the minor demographic in a way that feels unnatural and fake. I don't care what a character is so long as they aren't horribly written, which Token Diverse Characters™ always are. I'm sorry but if I was gay I wouldn't give two shits about a gay character being portrayed in media if it's done poorly - I'd much rather have my demographic be portrayed accurately and realistically or not at all.



You don't get to be in media just because you exist; that's an idiotic argument. You're just playing devil's advocate for shitty writing. As an aspiring writer myself, I must say I'm a bit disgusted by that. When I write minority characters I don't write them as minorities; I write them as people. There is no excuse for any other so-called "writer" not doing the same. Stop apologizing for hack writing.

Yeah, you don't get to write good minority characters without PRACTICING at it and finding what works and what doesn't. So instead of letting artists do what they want, you would rather prohibit them from expressing themselves. OK.

Public works are not the place to practice. That's stupid.

In others words; diversity for diversity's sake.



If you're living under a rock, yes.

Go be transphobic elsewhere

Go mislabel people elsewhere.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Go mislabel people elsewhere.

Very fucking rich coming from you.

[The Imperial Reach]

Go mislabel people elsewhere.

Very fucking rich coming from you.

"no u"

Nice deflection. 10/10, great argument.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Holy fuck get this stupid shit out of the Paradox thread.

[Lunas Legion]

Holy fuck get this stupid shit out of the Paradox thread.

This.

[The Rich Port]

Common, didn't you know. The white male is the only protagonist, as per Victoria 2 and CK2

Reminds me of everybody who complained about all the new insane features in Holy Fury. Turning Tartaria into a feminazi anti-male progressivist hell hole is now part of the challenge.

Depicted above: someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.

Yeah, how about you actually explain instead of making blanket opinions.

[The Rich Port]

Also, I was thinking of running the USA in Victoria 2. I have several questions I haven't been able to find answers to.

1.) Does it really matter whether I make free or slave states? It seems to have delayed the Civil War for about ten years. It began in 1890 and I ended in 1892. I guess it makes it easier?

2.) Is there any way to lower infamy? I was thinking of maybe uniting the American continent but everything in the New World is "civilized" -_- I can't figure any way except maybe a great war with all of the southern states in a coalition.

3.) Is there a trick to going Communist. No reason, just curious. >u>

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

I'm not sure how this conversation began but you can't fault people for writing characters that aren't boring white males when there's so few examples of them.

Sure, it might be just for diversity's sake, but it's because there's an overwhelming, suffocating assload of boring white males.

It's not about the over-representation of a major demographic, it's about the poor incorporation of the minor demographic in a way that feels unnatural and fake. I don't care what a character is so long as they aren't horribly written, which Token Diverse Characters™ always are. I'm sorry but if I was gay I wouldn't give two shits about a gay character being portrayed in media if it's done poorly - I'd much rather have my demographic be portrayed accurately and realistically or not at all.

You're literally doing the thing in the same post. Trans people don't need to earn the right to be in media. They exist, that is rights enough. Diversity doesn't need to be 'for the sake' of anything. It can just be. Again, diversity does not need to be earned and it does not need a reason.

You don't get to be in media just because you exist; that's an idiotic argument. You're just playing devil's advocate for shitty writing. As an aspiring writer myself, I must say I'm a bit disgusted by that. When I write minority characters I don't write them as minorities; I write them as people. There is no excuse for any other so-called "writer" not doing the same. Stop apologizing for hack writing.

Hey, guys, remember all that stuff I said about nerd culture being shit?

[Alvecia]

Imperator: Rome?

Current state of my world

Started a second actual Ironman Icenia run through this time around, and honestly it's gone a lot better. Taking some lessons learned from my first "practice" game. Primarily, how to manage the tribes, which are actually OP when you use them right.

I've been lucky enough to avoid any big troubles except from a civil war some three provinces into my expansion.
Fortunately, I was in a pretty safe spot with the alliance/defensive pact I had built, so I was able to clean it up, restore my manpower pool and return to the conquering.

I appreciate how mercurial the alliances are actually. Means I'm not waiting decades for an opportunity.

Also pictured, me civilising the tribes. I'm actually almost caught up on Macedon. So much for the cultured greeks

[The Rich Port]

Imperator: Rome?

Current state of my world

Started a second actual Ironman Icenia run through this time around, and honestly it's gone a lot better. Taking some lessons learned from my first "practice" game. Primarily, how to manage the tribes, which are actually OP when you use them right.

I've been lucky enough to avoid any big troubles except from a civil war some three provinces into my expansion.
Fortunately, I was in a pretty safe spot with the alliance/defensive pact I had built, so I was able to clean it up, restore my manpower pool and return to the conquering.

I appreciate how mercurial the alliances are actually. Means I'm not waiting decades for an opportunity.

Also pictured, me civilising the tribes. I'm actually almost caught up on Macedon. So much for the cultured greeks

So, how does Imperator play, exactly? Is it more like Victoria 2 which is arcadey and about points and gaming the best colonies and RGOs, more like CK2 which is more about roleplaying and building up your dynasty, or is it more like EU4 which is about number bullshit I don't like or understand XD

I say that and yet here I am considering getting Stellaris which is EU4 + CK2 but IN SPACE.

[Alvecia]

Imperator: Rome?

Current state of my world

Started a second actual Ironman Icenia run through this time around, and honestly it's gone a lot better. Taking some lessons learned from my first "practice" game. Primarily, how to manage the tribes, which are actually OP when you use them right.

I've been lucky enough to avoid any big troubles except from a civil war some three provinces into my expansion.
Fortunately, I was in a pretty safe spot with the alliance/defensive pact I had built, so I was able to clean it up, restore my manpower pool and return to the conquering.

I appreciate how mercurial the alliances are actually. Means I'm not waiting decades for an opportunity.

Also pictured, me civilising the tribes. I'm actually almost caught up on Macedon. So much for the cultured greeks

So, how does Imperator play, exactly? Is it more like Victoria 2 which is arcadey and about points and gaming the best colonies and RGOs, more like CK2 which is more about roleplaying and building up your dynasty, or is it more like EU4 which is about number bullshit I don't like or understand XD

I say that and yet here I am considering getting Stellaris which is EU4 + CK2 but IN SPACE.

I haven't played Vic, so I can't comment on that, but it's got EU4 map painting, with some very basic CK2 esque character stuff.
Honestly, I'd actually say the character stuff is more EU4 extra, than CK2 lite.

The pop system is also very Stellaris like. I don't know how that relates to Vic, which I know is the pop game.

EU4 is the game it feels most like, but that might be because the battle system is pretty much just the EU4 one with some small differences here and there, and battling is what you end up doing the most of unless you're going tall, which is much more viable here than in EU4.
(also not what I'm currently doing)

[Abserdia]

Also, I was thinking of running the USA in Victoria 2. I have several questions I haven't been able to find answers to.

1.) Does it really matter whether I make free or slave states? It seems to have delayed the Civil War for about ten years. It began in 1890 and I ended in 1892. I guess it makes it easier?

2.) Is there any way to lower infamy? I was thinking of maybe uniting the American continent but everything in the New World is "civilized" -_- I can't figure any way except maybe a great war with all of the southern states in a coalition.

3.) Is there a trick to going Communist. No reason, just curious. >u>

1.) I think the cheese-meta for avoiding the Civil War is to make every state a slave state so Northern con/mil goes up high enough to outlaw slavery. Otherwise though, slave states just make the ACW more annoying/less annoying depending on which side you take.
2.) Infamy slowly goes down on its own, but you can also release puppets and take decisions/event choices that lower it. Hawaii might be a good nation to release if you've already colonized the Pacific.
3.) There's not really a trick as far as I know. Just let communist pops rebel and overthrow your government.

[The Rich Port]

Also, I was thinking of running the USA in Victoria 2. I have several questions I haven't been able to find answers to.

1.) Does it really matter whether I make free or slave states? It seems to have delayed the Civil War for about ten years. It began in 1890 and I ended in 1892. I guess it makes it easier?

2.) Is there any way to lower infamy? I was thinking of maybe uniting the American continent but everything in the New World is "civilized" -_- I can't figure any way except maybe a great war with all of the southern states in a coalition.

3.) Is there a trick to going Communist. No reason, just curious. >u>

1.) I think the cheese-meta for avoiding the Civil War is to make every state a slave state so Northern con/mil goes up high enough to outlaw slavery.
2.) Infamy slowly goes down on its own, but you can also release puppets and take decisions/event choices that lower it. Hawaii might be a good nation to release if you've already colonized the Pacific.
3.) There's not really a trick as far as I know. Just let communist pops rebel and overthrow your government.

I think the counter-cheese-meta is making all the territories free states. The Civil War for me was like 3 Confederate states. The war didn't last very long at all. Didn't even have to use Sherman's March XD

Ugh, god, so it's really slow and/or totally random. ugh -_- Well unless you super-charge your military to the point that you can take out every single world power AND their allies.

I think... I THINK that it has SOMETHING to do with taxing the poor more than you do the rich. Cuz I think the middle strata go socialist. The poor go towards communist.

Then again it's amazing how when I want Communism, I don't know how to get it, and when I don't want it, I don't know how to get rid of it

[Lunas Legion]

Also, I was thinking of running the USA in Victoria 2. I have several questions I haven't been able to find answers to.

1.) Does it really matter whether I make free or slave states? It seems to have delayed the Civil War for about ten years. It began in 1890 and I ended in 1892. I guess it makes it easier?

2.) Is there any way to lower infamy? I was thinking of maybe uniting the American continent but everything in the New World is "civilized" -_- I can't figure any way except maybe a great war with all of the southern states in a coalition.

3.) Is there a trick to going Communist. No reason, just curious. >u>

1.) I think the cheese-meta for avoiding the Civil War is to make every state a slave state so Northern con/mil goes up high enough to outlaw slavery. Otherwise though, slave states just make the ACW more annoying/less annoying depending on which side you take.
2.) Infamy slowly goes down on its own, but you can also release puppets and take decisions/event choices that lower it. Hawaii might be a good nation to release if you've already colonized the Pacific.
3.) There's not really a trick as far as I know. Just let communist pops rebel and overthrow your government.

Trick with commies is encourage the strata that join the commie party; so craftsmen, and use the encourage party loyalty in your most populous states. Also tax the everloving shit out of them, pick any events that raise militancy or consciousness, pass no reforms of any kind ever.

Although you might get a fascist uprising instead.

[The Rich Port]

1.) I think the cheese-meta for avoiding the Civil War is to make every state a slave state so Northern con/mil goes up high enough to outlaw slavery. Otherwise though, slave states just make the ACW more annoying/less annoying depending on which side you take.
2.) Infamy slowly goes down on its own, but you can also release puppets and take decisions/event choices that lower it. Hawaii might be a good nation to release if you've already colonized the Pacific.
3.) There's not really a trick as far as I know. Just let communist pops rebel and overthrow your government.

Trick with commies is encourage the strata that join the commie party; so craftsmen, and use the encourage party loyalty in your most populous states. Also tax the everloving shit out of them, pick any events that raise militancy or consciousness, pass no reforms of any kind ever.

Although you might get a fascist uprising instead.

I've never seen fascists in the 1800's, only after 1900.

But communists are guaranteed to come out SOMEWHERE as soon as Karl Marx writes that shit.

One game of mine he was in fucking Mexico of all places because it was a great power that year.

[Lunas Legion]

Trick with commies is encourage the strata that join the commie party; so craftsmen, and use the encourage party loyalty in your most populous states. Also tax the everloving shit out of them, pick any events that raise militancy or consciousness, pass no reforms of any kind ever.

Although you might get a fascist uprising instead.

I've never seen fascists in the 1800's, only after 1900.

But communists are guaranteed to come out SOMEWHERE as soon as Karl Marx writes that shit.

One game of mine he was in fucking Mexico of all places because it was a great power that year.

Problem is having a commie uprising before the fascists appear.

[The Rich Port]

I've never seen fascists in the 1800's, only after 1900.

But communists are guaranteed to come out SOMEWHERE as soon as Karl Marx writes that shit.

One game of mine he was in fucking Mexico of all places because it was a great power that year.

Problem is having a commie uprising before the fascists appear.

As long as it is indeed the craftsmen I can make it happen.

I passed lots of reforms as Germany... Not fast enough, though, evidently, cuz at one point I had 2 million Socialists and then 1 million Communists organizing into coups because of my policies.

The game's almost over and I'm still a constitutional monarchy, no Jacobin uprisings.

On the other hand, France and Austria are fascists because, to be fair, I've been bullying them the entire game, so XD

[Lunas Legion]

Problem is having a commie uprising before the fascists appear.

As long as it is indeed the craftsmen I can make it happen.

I passed lots of reforms as Germany... Not fast enough, though, evidently, cuz at one point I had 2 million Socialists and then 1 million Communists organizing into coups because of my policies.

The game's almost over and I'm still a constitutional monarchy, no Jacobin uprisings.

On the other hand, France and Austria are fascists because, to be fair, I've been bullying them the entire game, so XD

No. No reforms. You are autocrat. You give the people nothing. It makes them angrier and more likely to turn to communism.