PDOX Games VIII: Communism Will Win

[Grenartia]

>not having an option for Zhou

What are you even doing with this poll?

Zhou was Pre-Imperial.
And the Qin were left off because fuck him.

Zhou were the fucking foundation China was founded on. Without the Zhou, you have no Mandate of Heaven, no Confucianism, and arguably no Sun Tzu.

You might as well say that Julius Caesar is ineligible for a poll about the best leader of Rome.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Zhou was Pre-Imperial.
And the Qin were left off because fuck him.

Zhou were the fucking foundation China was founded on. Without the Zhou, you have no Mandate of Heaven, no Confucianism, and arguably no Sun Tzu.

You might as well say that Julius Caesar is ineligible for a poll about the best leader of Rome.

Julius Ceaser is considered the roman republics best leader simply because most roman consuls were generic or simply did stupid shit. I dont know to much about the Zhou, but I wouldn't consider them anywhere near 'best dynasty' if they did stupid shit. So starting dynasty need not matter.

[Grenartia]

Zhou were the fucking foundation China was founded on. Without the Zhou, you have no Mandate of Heaven, no Confucianism, and arguably no Sun Tzu.

You might as well say that Julius Caesar is ineligible for a poll about the best leader of Rome.

Julius Ceaser is considered the roman republics best leader simply because most roman consuls were generic or simply did stupid shit. I dont know to much about the Zhou, but I wouldn't consider them anywhere near 'best dynasty' if they did stupid shit. So starting dynasty need not matter.

I mean, all dynasties did 'stupid shit'. But I respect the OGs.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Zhou was Pre-Imperial.
And the Qin were left off because fuck him.

Zhou were the fucking foundation China was founded on. Without the Zhou, you have no Mandate of Heaven, no Confucianism, and arguably no Sun Tzu.

You might as well say that Julius Caesar is ineligible for a poll about the best leader of Rome.

That is the most ridiculous argument I have ever seen.
Caesar was a leader, almost indisputably Rome's best general, Consul multiple times, Dictator, Proconsul of multiple provinces, had a fuck ton of triumphs, fought the corrupt establishment of Rome, and more accomplishments. He was not Emperor and to say he should be eligible for a poll about who is the best Roman Emperor would be completely fucking stupid.


The Zhou were Pre-Imperial, barely controlled half of Ancient China, and don't belong on this poll.

[Transoxthraxia]

Shang best dynasty

[Grenartia]

Zhou were the fucking foundation China was founded on. Without the Zhou, you have no Mandate of Heaven, no Confucianism, and arguably no Sun Tzu.

You might as well say that Julius Caesar is ineligible for a poll about the best leader of Rome.

That is the most ridiculous argument I have ever seen.
Caesar was a leader, almost indisputably Rome's best general, Consul multiple times, Dictator, Proconsul of multiple provinces, had a fuck ton of triumphs, fought the corrupt establishment of Rome, and more accomplishments. He was not Emperor and to say he should be eligible for a poll about who is the best Roman Emperor would be completely fucking stupid.

Hence why I said leader.

The Zhou were Pre-Imperial,

Yet, still a dynasty.

barely controlled half of Ancient China,

And...? The fucking Qin didn't, either (the Han fucking dwarfed the Qin in terms of real estate). And don't forget their miniscule 15 years. And that they fell only 4 years after the first emperor croaked.

and don't belong on this poll.

Sure, if you ignore all the legitimate reasons they should be.

Shang best dynasty

Their oracle bones couldn't help them foresee their fall at the hands of the Zhou.

[Transoxthraxia]

Shang best dynasty

Their oracle bones couldn't help them foresee their fall at the hands of the Zhou.

Zhou are worst barbarians

[Hanafuridake]

Their oracle bones couldn't help them foresee their fall at the hands of the Zhou.

Di Xin: *arms a hundred thousand slaves*
*slaves all defect to the Zhou forces*
Di Xin:

[Ostroeuropa]

Anglophile game going well.

Allied Spain, Austria, Aragon, Portugal.

France dow'd Britanny before the surrender of Maine, Britanny was allied to Austria. They backed down on the surrender of Maine due to the war with Austria. I knocked out the war of the roses within 2 months, then subjugated scotland while france got dogpiled by my allies, austria, and Burgundy taking a shot. I forced France to give me back my core in Labourd and revoke their cores on my territory, as well as triggered the PU mission to knock them out of the war.

I snatched Tenerife (that second canaries island) and began colonizing the new world in earnest. Exploration, Expansion, Quantity. (I figure, England is rich and never going to have elite troops, but having LOTS of troops is well within its means. Plus Quantity+Expansion = Settlers.).

Bit of waiting for AE to drop, then it's back into France to finally force the union. Colonizing.

Take the Discovery era idea in 1490 that allows vassals swaps for half price, take the mission to invade the Islands for war at the Kalmar Union. Snatch the whole of Norway as a vassal from them. (For those wondering, this Discovery era idea allows you to fully swap the whole of Norway (74% warscore as opposed to 148%), or fully swap the whole of Sweden if you take Diplomatic ideas, or take 2 provinces from Sweden first, meaning in two wars you can snatch norway and sweden by swapping Norway and grabbing two swedish provinces, then next war grabbing sweden. The discount only applies in this era, so be quick about it if you're planning to steal scandinavia this way).

I drop Aragon as an ally, and help Spain in Gibraltar, in the process, snatching Gibraltar and separate peacing out.

Help France retake its cores. Keep colonizing, now snatching bits of Mexico.

Portugal, the goobers, lose a war to natives in Brazil, knocking their 8 province colonial nation down to 2. I swoop in and liberate their provinces for a free colonial nation in Brazil. (I also previously dicked them over by snatching two Center of trade provinces in Brazil for the lulz, but now that'll go to the colonial nation. Fine with me. I'll now control 3/4 of the Brazil trade nodes.).

ITS TIME TO FORM BRITAIN!

ANGLICAN REFORMATION TIME!

SUDDENLY ECONOMY IS BROKEN -23.54 DUCATS A MONTH.
OH FUCK.

Well i'm ahead on tech and have nothing to spend for a while...

*no forts*
*army maintainence zero*
*corruption*
*corruption*
*corruption*
*lucky event*
*anglican moneys*

Aaand almost everything is converted, economy is theoretically back on track, and it's just a matter of paying off that corruption, which I do.

This period of peace is useful for getting my manpower to max and waiting for AE to burn down I guess. (Except in the new world, lol natives.).

Snatch Mali.
Snatch Vlanderen.

Fuck you Spain, you're now my Rival, yes I know we were allies but lol portugal is a goober and you're my only colonial """""Rival""""" (They have a smol Spanish La Plata and nothing else while i've fully colonized the Carribbean, a foothold in Brazil, half of Mexico. Also massechusets, because lol natives being on the coast.).
I love you Denmark, yes I know I stole Norway but you're a good honest protestant country and Spain is evil papists. Yes I know i'm allied to Portugal and the Austrian Emperor. Oh, you'll ally me? Cool.

Glare at Burgundy for having decent allies while my allies are busy and i'm behind in military tech because Quantity+Natives.

NEXT STOP; KILLING BURGUNDY AGAIN. (This time, for Amsterdam and maybe another province.).

Once I've mopped up Mexico I'll just stomp my way through west africa and the kongo while waiting for me to completely outmatch spain, then i'll invade spain for the med islands and maybe galicia so I can colonize it with Welsh people for the celtic lulz.

Once West Africa is pwned, i'll move on to Egypt before the Ottomans grab it. (They're being real slow this game, focused mostly in Balkans.). Then, ONWARDS TO INDIA!.

[Impaled Nazarene]

That is the most ridiculous argument I have ever seen.
Caesar was a leader, almost indisputably Rome's best general, Consul multiple times, Dictator, Proconsul of multiple provinces, had a fuck ton of triumphs, fought the corrupt establishment of Rome, and more accomplishments. He was not Emperor and to say he should be eligible for a poll about who is the best Roman Emperor would be completely fucking stupid.

Hence why I said leader.

The Zhou were Pre-Imperial,

Yet, still a dynasty.

barely controlled half of Ancient China,

And...? The fucking Qin didn't, either (the Han fucking dwarfed the Qin in terms of real estate). And don't forget their miniscule 15 years. And that they fell only 4 years after the first emperor croaked.

and don't belong on this poll.

Sure, if you ignore all the legitimate reasons they should be.

Shang best dynasty

Their oracle bones couldn't help them foresee their fall at the hands of the Zhou.

It's almost as if the Zhou don't belong on a poll about imperial dynasties and you've been making terrible arguments.

[Serrus]

Today I learned that the very early stages of a Star Wars HOI4 mod are in the works.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HeartsOfDurasteel/

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That first one is a New Sith Wars throwback. I want to play all of that.
*Sees death of Amidala*
oh god oh f[bam!]

[Impaled Nazarene]

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[Harmonic Empire]

Year 1658, I have 3 PUs, and i havent integrate them yet.. This is sad... i cant get Basileus achievement

[Renoa]

My CK2 Sindh game is suddenly in a bit of a precarious situation. There are only five living male members of my dynasty. My character who's in his 20's, my childless uncle who's mangled and also my heir, my great uncle who is very old, diseased, stressed, and in a dungeon, and my great uncle's two celibate sons. If my current character were to suddenly kick the bucket there's no guarantee there are enough time and fertility among the remaining dynasty members to keep me from a quick, brutal game over.

This is my current character in a slightly outdated screenshot. He's great, I stan him.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yuan man, there's no need to feel down
I said, yuan man, pick yourself off the ground
I said, yuan man, 'cause you're in a new Khanbaliq town
There's no need to be unhappy

Yuan man, there's a place you can raid
I said, yuan man, when you're short on your silk road dough
You can pillage there, and I'm sure you will find
Many ways to have a good time

It's fun to stay at the YMCA*
It's fun to stay at the YMCA*


*Yuan Mans Cavalry Association


I think you can guess who i voted for

Filthy barbarian.

*Angry Mongol Noises*

[Ifreann]

Filthy barbarian.

*Angry Mongol Noises*

Huskar, what is best in life?

[Ism]

A rather leery fellow.

[The Huskar Social Union]

*Angry Mongol Noises*

Huskar, what is best in life?

*Happy Mongol Noises*

[Bralia]

*Angry Mongol Noises*

Huskar, what is best in life?

Silence, my brother.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Huskar, what is best in life?

Silence, my brother.

No, this is best in life

[Grenartia]

Hence why I said leader.



Yet, still a dynasty.



And...? The fucking Qin didn't, either (the Han fucking dwarfed the Qin in terms of real estate). And don't forget their miniscule 15 years. And that they fell only 4 years after the first emperor croaked.



Sure, if you ignore all the legitimate reasons they should be.



Their oracle bones couldn't help them foresee their fall at the hands of the Zhou.

It's almost as if the Zhou don't belong on a poll about imperial dynasties and you've been making terrible arguments.

The poll says nothing about imperial dynasties. Only dynasties in general. Besides, all the arguments I've made have been at least as good as yours.

[Nea Videssos]

Silence, my brother.

No, this is best in life

Relevant.

[Grenartia]

Behold! The best possible name for a Fanatical Purifier ever.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Behold! The best possible name for a Fanatical Purifier ever.

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This would be the new title but our out of context titles can be disturbing as is.

[Grenartia]

Behold! The best possible name for a Fanatical Purifier ever.

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This would be the new title but our out of context titles can be disturbing as is.

Simple edit:

Ding Dong Your Species Is Wrong