PDOX Games VIII: Communism Will Win

[Renoa]

I started a new CK2 game in the Iron Century bookmark as Yngvar of Kievan Rus. It's an interesting and possibly difficult in that you're old with no heirs, a wife too old to have children, most of your vassals hate you, and you have the asshole Bolghars right next door.

I took two concubines and they both got pregnant, but it turns out I was cuckolded in both instances. Feels bad man.

[Dawetid]

I started a new CK2 game in the Iron Century bookmark as Yngvar of Kievan Rus. It's an interesting and possibly difficult in that you're old with no heirs, a wife too old to have children, most of your vassals hate you, and you have the asshole Bolghars right next door.

I took two concubines and they both got pregnant, but it turns out I was cuckolded in both instances. Feels bad man.

Doesn't he have a son?

[Renoa]

I started a new CK2 game in the Iron Century bookmark as Yngvar of Kievan Rus. It's an interesting and possibly difficult in that you're old with no heirs, a wife too old to have children, most of your vassals hate you, and you have the asshole Bolghars right next door.

I took two concubines and they both got pregnant, but it turns out I was cuckolded in both instances. Feels bad man.

Doesn't he have a son?

Not in the Iron Century bookmark. IRL he was born a few years after, but in-game Yngvar's wife Olga starts over the age of 45, meaning she's too old to have children.

[Dawetid]

Doesn't he have a son?

Not in the Iron Century bookmark. IRL he was born a few years after, but in-game Yngvar's wife Olga starts over the age of 45, meaning she's too old to have children.

Oh. I've always been using the "generate families" rule.

[Genivaria]

Hey Paradox thread long time no see, sorry I've been away so much but I was recently held hostage by Fallout 4 for the past month.
How goes it?

There's a Julius Evola submod for KR being made and I recently stumbled upon the hidden gem that is Red Flood and I couldn't be happier tbh

Remember when you mentioned this? I just saw this on Steam.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/ ... 1836982641

[Impaled Nazarene]

Ck2's UI is really weird in that every time it is updated I completely forget what it used to look like.

[The Krogan]

Ck2's UI is really weird in that every time it is updated I completely forget what it used to look like.

*puts on tinfoil hat*

I think we've just stumbled across a conspiracy.

[Qara-Tumen Khanate]

Perhaps it's because I began with CK2 that the opposite is true for me and EU4 feels off.

[The Rich Port]

in my drug addled, feverish Flu stupor, i decided to check out Imperator Rome.

i can see where a lot of the criticism and why some people like it come from. it's by far the mappiest map game that ever mapped, and while i like that, it leaves the game without a lot of the flavor, replayability and fun of Victoria 2 and CK 2.

i'm playing Rome cuz of course I am, though I did consider playing something more exotic. at the same time... i'm wondering just how dissimilar the other types of government are to the Roman Aristocratic Republic, and whether they're even better at all.

due to it's reliance on mana and points, i find i depend a lot on cheesy tactics and exploitation of the game's mechanics in order to win wars, and taking out big competitors is dead simple, and once you do that, the rest of the game more or less plays itself, and now i have to figure out how to get as many belligerents in wars, which, while it's fun, it probably gets old pretty quickly.

there's no flavor in the characters or government systems, and while some of the rulers and people are memorable, they're nowhere near as memorable as CK 2 or Victoria 2's observables.

i'm admittedly a bit addicted, been trying to expand Rome. hoping that there's flavor decisions so i can rename it into the Roman Empire, since it's a bit bland to call it just Rome.

i'm nervous about changing the government at all, since i do enjoy having 3 stability very much.

the most memorable guy was one traitorous general called Mellus, who made me very nervous in my first couple of decades as Rome. the guy did at least serve valorously against the Lindonians/the Cisalpine Gauls, and even eventually was elected Consul.

i've decided against building a navy, granted, it might make my desired invasion of Greece a bit smoother. it has been taken over completely by Macedon, which is the second greatest power in my current game... with 76 cohorts.

how many cohorts do i have?

200. I have 200 cohorts.

admittedly looking forward to building a road network, seeing the world criss-crossed by roads.

[Abserdia]

in my drug addled, feverish Flu stupor, i decided to check out Imperator Rome.

i can see where a lot of the criticism and why some people like it come from. it's by far the mappiest map game that ever mapped, and while i like that, it leaves the game without a lot of the flavor, replayability and fun of Victoria 2 and CK 2.

i'm playing Rome cuz of course I am, though I did consider playing something more exotic. at the same time... i'm wondering just how dissimilar the other types of government are to the Roman Aristocratic Republic, and whether they're even better at all.

due to it's reliance on mana and points, i find i depend a lot on cheesy tactics and exploitation of the game's mechanics in order to win wars, and taking out big competitors is dead simple, and once you do that, the rest of the game more or less plays itself, and now i have to figure out how to get as many belligerents in wars, which, while it's fun, it probably gets old pretty quickly.

there's no flavor in the characters or government systems, and while some of the rulers and people are memorable, they're nowhere near as memorable as CK 2 or Victoria 2's observables.

i'm admittedly a bit addicted, been trying to expand Rome. hoping that there's flavor decisions so i can rename it into the Roman Empire, since it's a bit bland to call it just Rome.

i'm nervous about changing the government at all, since i do enjoy having 3 stability very much.

the most memorable guy was one traitorous general called Mellus, who made me very nervous in my first couple of decades as Rome. the guy did at least serve valorously against the Lindonians/the Cisalpine Gauls, and even eventually was elected Consul.

i've decided against building a navy, granted, it might make my desired invasion of Greece a bit smoother. it has been taken over completely by Macedon, which is the second greatest power in my current game... with 76 cohorts.

how many cohorts do i have?

200. I have 200 cohorts.

admittedly looking forward to building a road network, seeing the world criss-crossed by roads.

I'm just waiting for the Cicero update to play it. Completely removing Monarch Points and making it more like Vic2 in its pop system seems awfully appealing to me.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Perhaps it's because I began with CK2 that the opposite is true for me and EU4 feels off.

EUIV's ui has gotten clunky over the years with the dlc. It's also a bit too sensitive in that your screen can fill up with events if you press the pause button at the wrong time (I play a lot of ck2 and hoi4 so quick tapping spacebar is habit)

[The Rich Port]

i honestly don't mind the mana system too much once you figure out how to get it... I just wish there was a way to get it faster or to circumvent it beyond just buying points with gold.

CK2 more or less had mana, except, you know, it's only 3 stockpiles instead of 10.

[Impaled Nazarene]

i honestly don't mind the mana system too much once you figure out how to get it... I just wish there was a way to get it faster or to circumvent it beyond just buying points with gold.

CK2 more or less had mana, except, you know, it's only 3 stockpiles instead of 10.

As said multiple times, none of CK2's currencies in any way reflect the cancerous Mana system. They make sense in game and are not some arbitrary number assigned to a character. Also in CK2 you can have a character with little gold, piety, and prestige go on to do great things and not be fucked over for decades.

[Ism]

This scrawny ass threw me out of his fucking church.

So I came back and threw him out of his fucking church.

And then I named the university after the guy I replaced him with. Because fuck you too Honorius II.

[Ism]

Scandinavia will henceforth be known as Bordergoria.

[Bralia]

Scandinavia will henceforth be known as Bordergoria.

I'm more bothered by the Indian title of Malwa in the middle of Russia.

[Bralia]

Bunch of different little rebalances to the Cicero patch.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

i honestly don't mind the mana system too much once you figure out how to get it... I just wish there was a way to get it faster or to circumvent it beyond just buying points with gold.

CK2 more or less had mana, except, you know, it's only 3 stockpiles instead of 10.

As said multiple times, none of CK2's currencies in any way reflect the cancerous Mana system. They make sense in game and are not some arbitrary number assigned to a character. Also in CK2 you can have a character with little gold, piety, and prestige go on to do great things and not be fucked over for decades.

You can definitely go without piety, and you can probably go without prestige unless you're a nomad or a tribal. But there's no way that you can do anything notable without gold (unless you figure out some way to abuse event troops or vassal wars and map paint without spending a ducat on troops, but that doesn't really count and you need a lot of resources - gold included - to get to the point where that's an option).
Then again, gold is the only one of the three resources that is unquestionably NOT mana. It's clear what it represents and its uses are logical as are the means you use to acquire it, and as far as I'm aware, "mana" in the context of Paradox games is defined as being at best two of these things, more often one.

[Purpelia]

If you want to talk about cancerous mana systems in CK2 you should be looking at the secret societies. They epitomize underdeveloped mechanics and stupid mana collection.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I started a new CK2 game in the Iron Century bookmark as Yngvar of Kievan Rus. It's an interesting and possibly difficult in that you're old with no heirs, a wife too old to have children, most of your vassals hate you, and you have the asshole Bolghars right next door.

I took two concubines and they both got pregnant, but it turns out I was cuckolded in both instances. Feels bad man.

Just legitimise one of them or go fuck a bunch of lasses to get a bastard and legitimise one of them.

Or kill your wife, get some new one from germany or some such place and go at it.

[Renoa]

I started a new CK2 game in the Iron Century bookmark as Yngvar of Kievan Rus. It's an interesting and possibly difficult in that you're old with no heirs, a wife too old to have children, most of your vassals hate you, and you have the asshole Bolghars right next door.

I took two concubines and they both got pregnant, but it turns out I was cuckolded in both instances. Feels bad man.

Just legitimise one of them or go fuck a bunch of lasses to get a bastard and legitimise one of them.

Or kill your wife, get some new one from germany or some such place and go at it.

I already scrapped that game and started another so it doesn't really matter, but both of the bastard children were girls and I had agnatic succession laws, and something bizarre happened so both of them had "unknown fathers" and I wasn't given the option to legitimize them anyway.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Just legitimise one of them or go fuck a bunch of lasses to get a bastard and legitimise one of them.

Or kill your wife, get some new one from germany or some such place and go at it.

I already scrapped that game and started another so it doesn't really matter, but both of the bastard children were girls and I had agnatic succession laws, and something bizarre happened so both of them had "unknown fathers" and I wasn't given the option to legitimize them anyway.

Ah kk

[Kernan]

I honestly kinda feel bad for Imperator Rome's devs, working hard on a game only to have it torn to shreds and now they are like, completely rebuilding it. The anger was a bit justified imo but i still feel for the devs

[Bralia]

An intermediary 1.29 patch, with a lot of free content for East Asia, is coming before the grand European update. Hopefully, the Mingsplosion that every EUIV player covets so highly will finally be a regular thing.

[Ifreann]

An intermediary 1.29 patch, with a lot of free content for East Asia, is coming before the grand European update. Hopefully, the Mingsplosion that every EUIV player covets so highly will finally be a regular thing.

Sweet, I might actually care about Asia.