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Which faction deserved to win the Spanish Civil War?

The Anarchists
5
18%
The Communists
2
7%
An Alliance Between The Anarchists And The Communists
4
14%
The Internationale Brigades who would have established a Communist Spain
0
No votes
Literally any faction that was not Fascist nor Franco
17
61%
 
Total votes : 28

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Postby Purpelia » Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:50 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Purpelia wrote:So what you are saying is that this is content they have worked on for at least two months before release and that was not included into the release version even though it was finished? There is a word for that. Cut content. And sensible people don't take kindly to that sort of thing.

Seems to me that it was developed in response to the dev clash and beta test. Not really that weird, I've done basically the exact same thing with computer programs I've created (although admittedly none of them were on anywhere near the same scale as Imperator).

That still does not change the fact that its content that was apparently ready at launch or less than a week after it that was not included in the product. Which raises reasonable suspicion as to their intent with said content.

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Jesus Christ on a croissant put them on ignore already

Why? It's not like either of them is the sort of incorrigible scum that you can expect to just keep spewing hatred at me forever. They just happen to really care and be emotionally invested in this particular subject, that's all. They'll cool off eventually. No need to permanently exclude them just because they happened to get out of line on a subject near to their heart.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:53 am

Purpelia wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Seems to me that it was developed in response to the dev clash and beta test. Not really that weird, I've done basically the exact same thing with computer programs I've created (although admittedly none of them were on anywhere near the same scale as Imperator).

That still does not change the fact that its content that was apparently ready at launch or less than a week after it that was not included in the product. Which raises reasonable suspicion as to their intent with said content.

Considering that the only thing they've done with it is make it freely available, and there's absolutely no evidence that it was ready launch day, I'd say that suspicion in this case is not in fact reasonable. If they weren't planning on making it a DLC, great! If they were but they decided to make it free, then also great! Take the patch and be happy!
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Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Jesus Christ on a croissant put them on ignore already

Why? It's not like either of them is the sort of incorrigible scum that you can expect to just keep spewing hatred at me forever. They just happen to really care and be emotionally invested in this particular subject, that's all. They'll cool off eventually. No need to permanently exclude them just because they happened to get out of line on a subject near to their heart.

I didn't say 'put them on ignore permanently'. Just foe them and then unfoe them a day or a week later.
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Postby Purpelia » Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:02 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Considering that the only thing they've done with it is make it freely available, and there's absolutely no evidence that it was ready launch day,

You mean except for the fact that it's ready and we are at launch day + what, 2? 3? As an actual developer I can openly tell you that's not how programming works.

I'd say that suspicion in this case is not in fact reasonable. If they weren't planning on making it a DLC, great! If they were but they decided to make it free, then also great! Take the patch and be happy!

Except that its very obvious that it was content that was ready for the game and yet had been deliberately withed for some reason. Which is bad. There is no legitimate reason for this. No more than for any other form of day 1 DLC, free or not.

I would actually have been far more benevolent on it had it come out several months from now as a DLC. Than they could have at least fooled me that it wasn't cut content.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:07 am

Purpelia wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Considering that the only thing they've done with it is make it freely available, and there's absolutely no evidence that it was ready launch day,

You mean except for the fact that it's ready and we are at launch day + what, 2? 3? As an actual developer I can openly tell you that's not how programming works.

I'm pretty sure that what was going on here was that the patch was going to take a few more days, and so they decided to release the game without it and then release the patch as soon as possible rather than delay release until it was done. But whatever, it was obviously a conspiracy by them to do... what were their motives here, exactly, I seem to have forgotten what the logic is in deliberately cutting content and then releasing it almost immediately. It makes them no money, earns them no friends, and doesn't make anybody buy the game that doesn't already have it, so they don't benefit by doing that. But then again, conspiracy theories for conspiracy theories' sake is pretty much just NSG's hallmark.
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I'd say that suspicion in this case is not in fact reasonable. If they weren't planning on making it a DLC, great! If they were but they decided to make it free, then also great! Take the patch and be happy!

Except that its very obvious that it was content that was ready for the game and yet had been deliberately withed for some reason. Which is bad. There is no legitimate reason for this. No more than for any other form of day 1 DLC, free or not.

I would actually have been far more benevolent on it had it come out several months from now as a DLC. Than they could have at least fooled me that it wasn't cut content.

So what you're telling me is that you'd be happier if nothing changed but they released the patch much later and made you pay for it?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:22 am

So my saves in the ck2 game of thrones mod are broken.


yay so much for that campaign
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:23 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:So my saves in the ck2 game of thrones mod are broken.


yay so much for that campaign

Can you revert to a previous version, or were they corrupted?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:24 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:So my saves in the ck2 game of thrones mod are broken.


yay so much for that campaign

Can you revert to a previous version, or were they corrupted?

I dont know if its been updated or not, give me a second to check.

Nope last updated on the 14th, and i only started like 2 days ago so probably wont work
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:25 am

Fuck it ill try anway

nope
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"They fight bravely. They cannot harm our ships but they continue to try"
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Postby Alvecia » Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:09 am

Purpelia wrote:
Alvecia wrote:They had a functionally working game two months before release when the first Dev clash started, and a weeks worth of feedback from the content creators they gave review copies to.

So what you are saying is that this is content they have worked on for at least two months before release and that was not included into the release version even though it was finished? There is a word for that. Cut content. And sensible people don't take kindly to that sort of thing.

As I’m sure we’re all well aware, there is a point at which you can no longer develop the game and must prepare it for release.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:16 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Fuck it ill try anway

nope

F, sorry.
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:42 am

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The Huskar Social Union wrote:Fuck it ill try anway

nope

F, sorry.

Huskar's save died honorably in the battle for Winterfell.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:55 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:F, sorry.

Huskar's save died honorably in the battle for Winterfell.


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Postby Bralia » Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:57 am

Valrifell wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Huskar's save died honorably in the battle for Winterfell.


Gah! Spoiler alert!

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Postby Platypus Bureaucracy » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:04 am

So can I just clarify? We're angry that within about a week of release, they're patching several issues and releasing it for free, because it's hypothetically possible that in an alternate reality it might not have been free.

That seems entirely reasonable.

Also, why are pigs being stabbed?
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Postby The Grene Knyght » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:07 am

TBH if you buy a game nowadays the day it was released, you're basically asking to be let down. Some games now seem to still be under production for months after they're released.
     
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Postby Purpelia » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:30 am

Alvecia wrote:
Purpelia wrote:So what you are saying is that this is content they have worked on for at least two months before release and that was not included into the release version even though it was finished? There is a word for that. Cut content. And sensible people don't take kindly to that sort of thing.

As I’m sure we’re all well aware, there is a point at which you can no longer develop the game and must prepare it for release.

And if that means the game is unfinished, feature bare or just not fun people will complain and not buy it. That's just the way it goes.

The Grene Knyght wrote:TBH if you buy a game nowadays the day it was released, you're basically asking to be let down. Some games now seem to still be under production for months after they're released.

And this is something we should tolerate and be happy with? I for one refuse to allow my standards to drop to that level. In no other industry would this sort of behavior be permitted. Imagine if you bought a car and the manufacturer promised to patch in breaks and headlights six months to a year after. Oh, and the stereo and AC are not there either. But you can wait a year and pay 1/6 of what your car was to get them installed.
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Postby Alvecia » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:52 am

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:So can I just clarify? We're angry that within about a week of release, they're patching several issues and releasing it for free, because it's hypothetically possible that in an alternate reality it might not have been free.

That seems entirely reasonable.

Also, why are pigs being stabbed?

The increase stability button in I:R is now “Sacrifice to the Gods” and is a picture of a pig being stabbed.
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Postby Alvecia » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:10 am

Purpelia wrote:
Alvecia wrote:As I’m sure we’re all well aware, there is a point at which you can no longer develop the game and must prepare it for release.

And if that means the game is unfinished, feature bare or just not fun people will complain and not buy it. That's just the way it goes.

That’s perfectly fine, it’s just got nothing much to do with whether or not PDX already had this stuff finished either:
A) before development close, or
B) with intent to include it as a paid feature.
As was your initial accusation.
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Postby Platypus Bureaucracy » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:15 am

Alvecia wrote:
Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:So can I just clarify? We're angry that within about a week of release, they're patching several issues and releasing it for free, because it's hypothetically possible that in an alternate reality it might not have been free.

That seems entirely reasonable.

Also, why are pigs being stabbed?

The increase stability button in I:R is now “Sacrifice to the Gods” and is a picture of a pig being stabbed.

Aw, that's mean. :(
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:16 am

Alvecia wrote:
Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:So can I just clarify? We're angry that within about a week of release, they're patching several issues and releasing it for free, because it's hypothetically possible that in an alternate reality it might not have been free.

That seems entirely reasonable.

Also, why are pigs being stabbed?

The increase stability button in I:R is now “Sacrifice to the Gods” and is a picture of a pig being stabbed.

I:R is the best game now
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Postby Ism » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:29 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Fuck it ill try anway

nope


Sorry to hear that, my saves seem to been working fine, though it does keep saying the checksum is off. You gotta go back a version for CK2 to be compatible with 1.9 of the mod, did you make sure to do that?

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:41 am

Alvecia wrote:
Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:So can I just clarify? We're angry that within about a week of release, they're patching several issues and releasing it for free, because it's hypothetically possible that in an alternate reality it might not have been free.

That seems entirely reasonable.

Also, why are pigs being stabbed?

The increase stability button in I:R is now “Sacrifice to the Gods” and is a picture of a pig being stabbed.

I’m am peaking on +3 stability for the past several years in game. Caledonia: A place of perfect stability and safety. Minus the fact, my chiefs keep forming retinues thus entrenching them with the fickle ideals of greed.

I mean, you can’t use religion for anything else save for that religion boon and sacrifice up in Druidic Scotland. That being said, if anyone knows any other use, please let me know I’m like sitting on a 1k religious power, and sometimes even 2k.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:49 am

Purpelia wrote:
Alvecia wrote:As I’m sure we’re all well aware, there is a point at which you can no longer develop the game and must prepare it for release.

And if that means the game is unfinished, feature bare or just not fun people will complain and not buy it. That's just the way it goes.

Given how its a new standard, I’d say I:R less bare bones then Destiny, Fallout 76, or Anthem. I only bought one of the three for that very reason. It’s a direction the game industry just keeps wanting to go, I don’t think itll get better anytime soon.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:57 am

Trying a Saguntum game. (Aiming for Iberia Universalis.).

Had a solid start, now a matter of consolidation, recovery, and expansion. Saguntum is a cool one to go for, it's the city that allied with Rome and was besieged and destroyed by Hannibal so he could bait the Romans into the second punic war.

It's about midway up the med coast of Spain, opposite Rome.

I've learned from previous games to just... let shit go. Don't convert all provinces at once, just one or two at a time, or you'll risk civil wars. (Siiiigh.).

I don't know if Saguntum or Iberians in general are matriarchal, but Saguntum has thee woman chieftains at start.
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Postby Alvecia » Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:33 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Alvecia wrote:The increase stability button in I:R is now “Sacrifice to the Gods” and is a picture of a pig being stabbed.

I’m am peaking on +3 stability for the past several years in game. Caledonia: A place of perfect stability and safety. Minus the fact, my chiefs keep forming retinues thus entrenching them with the fickle ideals of greed.

I mean, you can’t use religion for anything else save for that religion boon and sacrifice up in Druidic Scotland. That being said, if anyone knows any other use, please let me know I’m like sitting on a 1k religious power, and sometimes even 2k.

The three uses I’m aware of are boons, stabbing pigs, and converting religion. You won’t encounter the third at all in the British Isles, it’s all Druidic.
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