PDOX Games VIII: Communism Will Win

[Genivaria]

Do it. Use your anger Friendship... DO IT!!!

Friendship is magic, but magic is heresy.

Friendship will not keep us safe, only submission and order will.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Friendship is magic, but magic is heresy.

Friendship will not keep us safe, only submission and order will.

Sounds like you’d be the perfect leader for the Empire of Ice. The imperialist penguins would welcome you.

[Abserdia]

What's appealing to you most?

Its just a general appeal to it now that is surfacing, it just looks like a more interesting EU4 now because i got burnt out on that game and have not played it in years. Im not completely sold on it yet though.

I like the character based stuff, all the different traits and skills and the varied populations in the game.

Same. If it ends up being EU4 with characters and fewer necessary mechanics behind DLC, then I’m all for it.
I just hope there’s actual challenge when you become a large empire.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Its just a general appeal to it now that is surfacing, it just looks like a more interesting EU4 now because i got burnt out on that game and have not played it in years. Im not completely sold on it yet though.

I like the character based stuff, all the different traits and skills and the varied populations in the game.

Same. If it ends up being EU4 with characters and fewer necessary mechanics behind DLC, then I’m all for it.
I just hope there’s actual challenge when you become a large empire.

I’m expecting it will only be a challenge once a dlc extending the end date comes around. Probably up to the fall of Rome.

[Purpelia]

We already know what the latest date is that they are going to have the game end at. The start of CK2. Anything else wouldn't make sense from a continuity standpoint.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Heresy Grows From Idleness

[Ism]

Heresy Grows From Idleness

Also from court chaplains doing cultural research.

[Lunas Legion]

We already know what the latest date is that they are going to have the game end at. The start of CK2. Anything else wouldn't make sense from a continuity standpoint.

Possibly. Unless, of course, they end it in 68 AD and then make a second game for 68 AD - 769 AD which would lean far more heavily on the CK2 style of things because of all the uprisings and crises etc.

[The Imperial Reach]

We already know what the latest date is that they are going to have the game end at. The start of CK2. Anything else wouldn't make sense from a continuity standpoint.

CKII's earliest start date should've been immediately after the Fall of Rome. I mean, despite the name the game is focused on the Middle Ages in general and they already pushed it back to the 9th and 8th centuries with Old Gods and Charlemagne anyway so what harm could there be in pushing it back to the late 5th century? There could even be special start dates in-between like one just prior to Justinian's conquests (which could play out through special events like with Charlemagne) and immediately after, or one right at the Battle of Yarmouk with the Byzantines, their Arab Christian allies, and the Persians all at war with the young Islamic Caliphate. Earlier start dates could have a 'Rise of Islam' special event that occurs in the 7th century that would only occur under special conditions and special events would occur as the Caliphate expands. There'd be other cool shit too, like Syagrius, Odoacer, Ostrogothic invasion of Italy by Theodoric the Great, Avars at the height of their power, independent Suebi rulers in Iberia, mostly-Celtic Britannia, Hepthalites, Gupta, Rouran, Himyar, Vandals, Visigoths at the height of their power, Lombard invasion of Italy, Lakhmids & Ghassanids, Anglo-Saxon migration to Britannia, Sassanids, Western Gokturks, Aksumite Empire, Slav Kingdom under Samo, Old Great Bulgaria, Umayyads at the height of their power, Slav migrations into the Balkans, Khazars at their height of their power, etc.

So much good stuff and interesting points of history missed out on.

[United Muscovite Nations]

We already know what the latest date is that they are going to have the game end at. The start of CK2. Anything else wouldn't make sense from a continuity standpoint.

CKII's earliest start date should've been immediately after the Fall of Rome. I mean, despite the name the game is focused on the Middle Ages in general and they already pushed it back to the 9th and 8th centuries with Old Gods and Charlemagne anyway so what harm could there be in pushing it back to the late 5th century? There could even be special start dates in-between like one just prior to Justinian's conquests (which could play out through special events like with Charlemagne) and immediately after, or one right at the Battle of Yarmouk with the Byzantines, their Arab Christian allies, and the Persians all at war with the young Islamic Caliphate. Earlier start dates could have a 'Rise of Islam' special event that occurs in the 7th century that would only occur under special conditions and special events would occur as the Caliphate expands. There'd be other cool shit too, like Syagrius, Odoacer, Ostrogothic invasion of Italy by Theodoric the Great, Avars at the height of their power, independent Suebi rulers in Iberia, mostly-Celtic Britannia, Hepthalites, Gupta, Rouran, Himyar, Vandals, Visigoths at the height of their power, Lombard invasion of Italy, Lakhmids & Ghassanids, Anglo-Saxon migration to Britannia, Sassanids, Western Gokturks, Aksumite Empire, Slav Kingdom under Samo, Old Great Bulgaria, Umayyads at the height of their power, Slav migrations into the Balkans, Khazars at their height of their power, etc.

So much good stuff and interesting points of history missed out on.

If they put it back that far, they would have to include Muhammad.

[Impaled Nazarene]

We already know what the latest date is that they are going to have the game end at. The start of CK2. Anything else wouldn't make sense from a continuity standpoint.

CKII's earliest start date should've been immediately after the Fall of Rome. I mean, despite the name the game is focused on the Middle Ages in general and they already pushed it back to the 9th and 8th centuries with Old Gods and Charlemagne anyway so what harm could there be in pushing it back to the late 5th century? There could even be special start dates in-between like one just prior to Justinian's conquests (which could play out through special events like with Charlemagne) and immediately after, or one right at the Battle of Yarmouk with the Byzantines, their Arab Christian allies, and the Persians all at war with the young Islamic Caliphate. Earlier start dates could have a 'Rise of Islam' special event that occurs in the 7th century that would only occur under special conditions and special events would occur as the Caliphate expands. There'd be other cool shit too, like Syagrius, Odoacer, Ostrogothic invasion of Italy by Theodoric the Great, Avars at the height of their power, independent Suebi rulers in Iberia, mostly-Celtic Britannia, Hepthalites, Gupta, Rouran, Himyar, Vandals, Visigoths at the height of their power, Lombard invasion of Italy, Lakhmids & Ghassanids, Anglo-Saxon migration to Britannia, Sassanids, Western Gokturks, Aksumite Empire, Slav Kingdom under Samo, Old Great Bulgaria, Umayyads at the height of their power, Slav migrations into the Balkans, Khazars at their height of their power, etc.

So much good stuff and interesting points of history missed out on.

Most people and some historians like to separate the period between the Fall of Rome and the Renaissance (Middle Ages) into several smaller periods.
Typically the way I do it (not a real historian, but my degree doesn't exactly disqualify me from having an opinion.)
Dark Age: F.O.R. - Norman England
-----True Dark Age: F.O.R. - Carolingian Europe
-----Pre-Medieval age: Carolingian Europe - Norman England
---------------------------Viking Age
Medieval Period: Norman England - 4th Crusade/Mongol Invasion
And so forth. I'm not going to list them all.
The point is that most medieval games and other media ignore the true dark age as part of the middle ages. I think it was generous of paradox to give us Charlemagne, but I agree I would love a game that lets us play dark ages. Hell I would love the ability to play the 10th century too that was a fun era but for some reason paradox only gave us bookmarks instead of letting us selecting a custom date before 1066.

[Dawetid]

CKII's earliest start date should've been immediately after the Fall of Rome. I mean, despite the name the game is focused on the Middle Ages in general and they already pushed it back to the 9th and 8th centuries with Old Gods and Charlemagne anyway so what harm could there be in pushing it back to the late 5th century? There could even be special start dates in-between like one just prior to Justinian's conquests (which could play out through special events like with Charlemagne) and immediately after, or one right at the Battle of Yarmouk with the Byzantines, their Arab Christian allies, and the Persians all at war with the young Islamic Caliphate. Earlier start dates could have a 'Rise of Islam' special event that occurs in the 7th century that would only occur under special conditions and special events would occur as the Caliphate expands. There'd be other cool shit too, like Syagrius, Odoacer, Ostrogothic invasion of Italy by Theodoric the Great, Avars at the height of their power, independent Suebi rulers in Iberia, mostly-Celtic Britannia, Hepthalites, Gupta, Rouran, Himyar, Vandals, Visigoths at the height of their power, Lombard invasion of Italy, Lakhmids & Ghassanids, Anglo-Saxon migration to Britannia, Sassanids, Western Gokturks, Aksumite Empire, Slav Kingdom under Samo, Old Great Bulgaria, Umayyads at the height of their power, Slav migrations into the Balkans, Khazars at their height of their power, etc.

So much good stuff and interesting points of history missed out on.

Most people and some historians like to separate the period between the Fall of Rome and the Renaissance (Middle Ages) into several smaller periods.
Typically the way I do it (not a real historian, but my degree doesn't exactly disqualify me from having an opinion.)
Dark Age: F.O.R. - Norman England
-----True Dark Age: F.O.R. - Carolingian Europe
-----Pre-Medieval age: Carolingian Europe - Norman England
---------------------------Viking Age
Medieval Period: Norman England - 4th Crusade/Mongol Invasion
And so forth. I'm not going to list them all.
The point is that most medieval games and other media ignore the true dark age as part of the middle ages. I think it was generous of paradox to give us Charlemagne, but I agree I would love a game that lets us play dark ages. Hell I would love the ability to play the 10th century too that was a fun era but for some reason paradox only gave us bookmarks instead of letting us selecting a custom date before 1066.

Can't you change the start date and bookmarks? The history is all recorded, only lacking events.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Most people and some historians like to separate the period between the Fall of Rome and the Renaissance (Middle Ages) into several smaller periods.
Typically the way I do it (not a real historian, but my degree doesn't exactly disqualify me from having an opinion.)
Dark Age: F.O.R. - Norman England
-----True Dark Age: F.O.R. - Carolingian Europe
-----Pre-Medieval age: Carolingian Europe - Norman England
---------------------------Viking Age
Medieval Period: Norman England - 4th Crusade/Mongol Invasion
And so forth. I'm not going to list them all.
The point is that most medieval games and other media ignore the true dark age as part of the middle ages. I think it was generous of paradox to give us Charlemagne, but I agree I would love a game that lets us play dark ages. Hell I would love the ability to play the 10th century too that was a fun era but for some reason paradox only gave us bookmarks instead of letting us selecting a custom date before 1066.

Can't you change the start date and bookmarks? The history is all recorded, only lacking events.

You cannot. You can select Charlemagne and Viking Era but you can only input custom dates from 1066-1337 thus making 900-1065 (ignoring how ahistorical the 1066 start date is) completely inaccessible.

[Dawetid]

Can't you change the start date and bookmarks? The history is all recorded, only lacking events.

You cannot. You can select Charlemagne and Viking Era but you can only input custom dates from 1066-1337 thus making 900-1065 (ignoring how ahistorical the 1066 start date is) completely inaccessible.

I meant, editing the files to change the start date (or making a minimal mod for that), even to those before 769.

[Lunas Legion]

You cannot. You can select Charlemagne and Viking Era but you can only input custom dates from 1066-1337 thus making 900-1065 (ignoring how ahistorical the 1066 start date is) completely inaccessible.

I meant, editing the files to change the start date (or making a minimal mod for that), even to those before 769.

You can, as WTWSMS does. The only limit is you have to start after Year 1 since it doesn't like negative dates.

[The Imperial Reach]

CKII's earliest start date should've been immediately after the Fall of Rome. I mean, despite the name the game is focused on the Middle Ages in general and they already pushed it back to the 9th and 8th centuries with Old Gods and Charlemagne anyway so what harm could there be in pushing it back to the late 5th century? There could even be special start dates in-between like one just prior to Justinian's conquests (which could play out through special events like with Charlemagne) and immediately after, or one right at the Battle of Yarmouk with the Byzantines, their Arab Christian allies, and the Persians all at war with the young Islamic Caliphate. Earlier start dates could have a 'Rise of Islam' special event that occurs in the 7th century that would only occur under special conditions and special events would occur as the Caliphate expands. There'd be other cool shit too, like Syagrius, Odoacer, Ostrogothic invasion of Italy by Theodoric the Great, Avars at the height of their power, independent Suebi rulers in Iberia, mostly-Celtic Britannia, Hepthalites, Gupta, Rouran, Himyar, Vandals, Visigoths at the height of their power, Lombard invasion of Italy, Lakhmids & Ghassanids, Anglo-Saxon migration to Britannia, Sassanids, Western Gokturks, Aksumite Empire, Slav Kingdom under Samo, Old Great Bulgaria, Umayyads at the height of their power, Slav migrations into the Balkans, Khazars at their height of their power, etc.

So much good stuff and interesting points of history missed out on.

Most people and some historians like to separate the period between the Fall of Rome and the Renaissance (Middle Ages) into several smaller periods.
Typically the way I do it (not a real historian, but my degree doesn't exactly disqualify me from having an opinion.)
Dark Age: F.O.R. - Norman England
-----True Dark Age: F.O.R. - Carolingian Europe
-----Pre-Medieval age: Carolingian Europe - Norman England
---------------------------Viking Age
Medieval Period: Norman England - 4th Crusade/Mongol Invasion
And so forth. I'm not going to list them all.
The point is that most medieval games and other media ignore the true dark age as part of the middle ages. I think it was generous of paradox to give us Charlemagne, but I agree I would love a game that lets us play dark ages. Hell I would love the ability to play the 10th century too that was a fun era but for some reason paradox only gave us bookmarks instead of letting us selecting a custom date before 1066.

Most historians do not, however. The Middle Ages is almost universally accepted as being from the Fall of Rome to the Fall of Constantinople. Some might say they started later and ended later, but this is not the widely accepted classification.

CKII's earliest start date should've been immediately after the Fall of Rome. I mean, despite the name the game is focused on the Middle Ages in general and they already pushed it back to the 9th and 8th centuries with Old Gods and Charlemagne anyway so what harm could there be in pushing it back to the late 5th century? There could even be special start dates in-between like one just prior to Justinian's conquests (which could play out through special events like with Charlemagne) and immediately after, or one right at the Battle of Yarmouk with the Byzantines, their Arab Christian allies, and the Persians all at war with the young Islamic Caliphate. Earlier start dates could have a 'Rise of Islam' special event that occurs in the 7th century that would only occur under special conditions and special events would occur as the Caliphate expands. There'd be other cool shit too, like Syagrius, Odoacer, Ostrogothic invasion of Italy by Theodoric the Great, Avars at the height of their power, independent Suebi rulers in Iberia, mostly-Celtic Britannia, Hepthalites, Gupta, Rouran, Himyar, Vandals, Visigoths at the height of their power, Lombard invasion of Italy, Lakhmids & Ghassanids, Anglo-Saxon migration to Britannia, Sassanids, Western Gokturks, Aksumite Empire, Slav Kingdom under Samo, Old Great Bulgaria, Umayyads at the height of their power, Slav migrations into the Balkans, Khazars at their height of their power, etc.

So much good stuff and interesting points of history missed out on.

If they put it back that far, they would have to include Muhammad.

Muhammad is already in the game, he's just dead.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Most people and some historians like to separate the period between the Fall of Rome and the Renaissance (Middle Ages) into several smaller periods.
Typically the way I do it (not a real historian, but my degree doesn't exactly disqualify me from having an opinion.)
Dark Age: F.O.R. - Norman England
-----True Dark Age: F.O.R. - Carolingian Europe
-----Pre-Medieval age: Carolingian Europe - Norman England
---------------------------Viking Age
Medieval Period: Norman England - 4th Crusade/Mongol Invasion
And so forth. I'm not going to list them all.
The point is that most medieval games and other media ignore the true dark age as part of the middle ages. I think it was generous of paradox to give us Charlemagne, but I agree I would love a game that lets us play dark ages. Hell I would love the ability to play the 10th century too that was a fun era but for some reason paradox only gave us bookmarks instead of letting us selecting a custom date before 1066.

Most historians do not, however. The Middle Ages is almost universally accepted as being from the Fall of Rome to the Fall of Constantinople. Some might say they started later and ended later, but this is not the widely accepted classification.

If they put it back that far, they would have to include Muhammad.

Muhammad is already in the game, he's just dead.

Yes, but making Muhammad a character you can do things to complicates matters.

[Hanafuridake]

Most historians do not, however. The Middle Ages is almost universally accepted as being from the Fall of Rome to the Fall of Constantinople. Some might say they started later and ended later, but this is not the widely accepted classification.



Muhammad is already in the game, he's just dead.

Yes, but making Muhammad a character you can do things to complicates matters.

I don't think Johann wants to be on the receiving end of a fatwa.

[The Imperial Reach]

Most historians do not, however. The Middle Ages is almost universally accepted as being from the Fall of Rome to the Fall of Constantinople. Some might say they started later and ended later, but this is not the widely accepted classification.



Muhammad is already in the game, he's just dead.

Yes, but making Muhammad a character you can do things to complicates matters.

That's an easy workaround: just make the Rise of Islam event a singular event that just props up the Caliphate under Abu Bakr controlling all of Arabia with a little flavor text explaining how it go there.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Yes, but making Muhammad a character you can do things to complicates matters.

That's an easy workaround: just make the Rise of Islam event a singular event that just props up the Caliphate under Abu Bakr controlling all of Arabia with a little flavor text explaining how it go there.

The first 4 caliphs are sacred as well.

[The Imperial Reach]

That's an easy workaround: just make the Rise of Islam event a singular event that just props up the Caliphate under Abu Bakr controlling all of Arabia with a little flavor text explaining how it go there.

The first 4 caliphs are sacred as well.

Aren't all the Caliphs technically sacred?

[Bralia]

So I just discovered what I imagine Huskar probably discovered . . . apparently some Youtubers have already started some Imperator games? This is what I've been waiting for, I haven't been interested in watching Dev streams, but I'm going to be jumping on Youtuber streams.

Like, subscribe and comment in MATN's video, I've seen people on the Paradox forums really enjoy this one.

[Impaled Nazarene]

The first 4 caliphs are sacred as well.

Aren't all the Caliphs technically sacred?

By the technicality yes. But the first 4 are like holy shit levels of important in Islam. Especially Ali because the Sunni and Shia both recognize him. Like the Rashidun Caliphate in whole is one of those things you don't let the meatbags get a hold of.

[The Huskar Social Union]

So I just discovered what I imagine Huskar probably discovered . . . apparently some Youtubers have already started some Imperator games? This is what I've been waiting for, I haven't been interested in watching Dev streams, but I'm going to be jumping on Youtuber streams.

Like, subscribe and comment in MATN's video, I've seen people on the Paradox forums really enjoy this one.

Yeah it was his and Alex the Rambler's videos i was watching since im subbed to both of them.

[Hanafuridake]

I think it was generous of paradox to give us Charlemagne,

Ha, generosity had nothing to do with it.