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Best HOI political party

HOI3 Stalinist
1
6%
HOI3 Leninist
0
No votes
KR Syndicalist
6
33%
KR Radical Socialism
2
11%
HOI4 Anarchism
3
17%
HOI4 Communism
1
6%
Stupid Sexy Naz with your unbiased polls and quality posts.
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Total votes : 18

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:47 am

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The Huskar Social Union wrote:I would like to see Finland get its own focus tree, maybe alongside a rework of the soviet one.

Italy and France could use some work too imo.

And Spain. The fact that Spain doesn't have a focus tree is pretty much inexcusable, considering how important Spain is.
I admit that I haven't played the game enough to tell for myself, but judging from Taureror's videos, Spain is often a kingmaker that decides whether you should join the Axis or the Comintern, depending on which side wins the civil war.
Also, the civil war should go on longer. In real life, the war went on until 1939, but in HOI4, I have literally never seen it go past mid-1937.
And air forces should be a very big part of it, since the SCW was the first time in history that strategically bombing population centers was a commonly used tactic. But the air is never a big part of the SCW, since the Germans don't tend to send as many air volunteers as they historically did.

They should do a med sea pack and give new trees to Italy, Turkey, Greece and Spain or something.

And then chuck the soviets in there too because i think they could use a rework, i dont think their tree has been touched at all bar the trotsky thing they added in a while back.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:02 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Honestly it's actually embarrassing how slow Paradox is with focus trees. They're stupid easy to create and some modders can pump out whole trees in literally a day.

I mean, I could create a Soviet focus tree with 4 paths (Trotsky, Stalin, Democracy, Fascism) within about 2 days.

And you don't need to pay 14.99 for it. (Though I would appreciate the money)
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Postby Purpelia » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:11 am

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Honestly it's actually embarrassing how slow Paradox is with focus trees. They're stupid easy to create and some modders can pump out whole trees in literally a day.

I mean, I could create a Soviet focus tree with 4 paths (Trotsky, Stalin, Democracy, Fascism) within about 2 days.

And you don't need to pay 14.99 for it. (Though I would appreciate the money)

But would you make it even remotely realistic, plausible and balanced, also known as not getting your self conquered by Germany 10 out of 10 times if you go down anything but the purge.
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:13 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Honestly it's actually embarrassing how slow Paradox is with focus trees. They're stupid easy to create and some modders can pump out whole trees in literally a day.

I imagine the time goes to research and balance and integrating new features and making new artwork and all that. The actual hacking together of the code is probably fobbed off on the nearest Swedish equivalent to an unpaid intern and done in five minutes.
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Postby Purpelia » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:29 am

Ifreann wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Honestly it's actually embarrassing how slow Paradox is with focus trees. They're stupid easy to create and some modders can pump out whole trees in literally a day.

I imagine the time goes to research and balance and integrating new features and making new artwork and all that. The actual hacking together of the code is probably fobbed off on the nearest Swedish equivalent to an unpaid intern and done in five minutes.

And making the AI not get completely entangled as soon as you pick one of the new focuses. Seriously, has the bug where the Soviets quit out their alliance with Germany and attack even if Germany chooses the proper alliance focus?
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:42 am

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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:11 am

Paradox overhauling the Soviet Tree: Alright guys we haven't made it even easier to play Germany in 18.88 seconds so we're going to nerf the soviet tree as well as their manpower, production, and tank stats. Also their navy has been removed. Taking Moscow will result in instant capitulation no matter what. Who the fuck are Zhukov and Konev and why are people saying they're better than Manstein and Rommel??
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:55 am

Purpelia wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:I mean, I could create a Soviet focus tree with 4 paths (Trotsky, Stalin, Democracy, Fascism) within about 2 days.

And you don't need to pay 14.99 for it. (Though I would appreciate the money)

But would you make it even remotely realistic, plausible and balanced, also known as not getting your self conquered by Germany 10 out of 10 times if you go down anything but the purge.

Probably not, but it's not like Paradox is good at balanced alt-history focus trees anyways.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:16 pm

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:41 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:Paradox overhauling the Soviet Tree: Alright guys we haven't made it even easier to play Germany in 18.88 seconds so we're going to nerf the soviet tree as well as their manpower, production, and tank stats. Also their navy has been removed. Taking Moscow will result in instant capitulation no matter what. Who the fuck are Zhukov and Konev and why are people saying they're better than Manstein and Rommel??

Wait are they really overhauling Soviets?

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Postby Ism » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:46 pm

I would like to introduce the King of Croatia, who is a Bosnian of Italian descent. And why does he rule none of Croatia? Because of this monstrosity. Long story short, Venetians should never be allowed to dictate crusade locations. They just fuck everything up.

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Postby The Imperial Reach » Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:34 pm

Ism wrote:I would like to introduce the King of Croatia, who is a Bosnian of Italian descent. And why does he rule none of Croatia? Because of this monstrosity. Long story short, Venetians should never be allowed to dictate crusade locations. They just fuck everything up.


"Aliia"?
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The Imperial Reach wrote:I've encountered this event maybe 4 times and I've never lost - not even once. Even the one time when I had no skill-related options, I still won.

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Postby Purpelia » Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:51 pm

If you play with a merchant republic and your family is NOT in charge of the country can you still go around conquering provinces? And if so how are titles handled?
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Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



The above post contains hyperbole, metaphoric language, embellishment and exaggeration. It may also include badly translated figures of speech and misused idioms. Analyze accordingly.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:51 pm

The Imperial Reach wrote:
Ism wrote:I would like to introduce the King of Croatia, who is a Bosnian of Italian descent. And why does he rule none of Croatia? Because of this monstrosity. Long story short, Venetians should never be allowed to dictate crusade locations. They just fuck everything up.


"Aliia"?


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Postby Abserdia » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:19 pm

Purpelia wrote:If you play with a merchant republic and your family is NOT in charge of the country can you still go around conquering provinces? And if so how are titles handled?

According to the wiki, yes.

I don't know the answer to your second question. I don't have the DLC.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:25 pm

Purpelia wrote:If you play with a merchant republic and your family is NOT in charge of the country can you still go around conquering provinces? And if so how are titles handled?

Yes. In fact, it's good to conquer a landed province, because then you have something to do while not in power. It's also a good source of money because you can put cities in those provinces and make boatloads of money from them.

Every title that is the same rank as your merchant republic title, so kingdom for the Italians and duchy for Gotland, goes with the election. However, every lower title gets inherited to your appointed successor, even if he doesn't win the election.
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Postby Purpelia » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:31 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Purpelia wrote:If you play with a merchant republic and your family is NOT in charge of the country can you still go around conquering provinces? And if so how are titles handled?

Yes. In fact, it's good to conquer a landed province, because then you have something to do while not in power. It's also a good source of money because you can put cities in those provinces and make boatloads of money from them.

Every title that is the same rank as your merchant republic title, so kingdom for the Italians and duchy for Gotland, goes with the election. However, every lower title gets inherited to your appointed successor, even if he doesn't win the election.

What if I just start as a random city on the map that happens to hold its county? Think shattered earth here.
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:51 pm

>be me
>Ottoman Empire in Victoria II
>first 15 years of the game go well
>retake Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, and Transjordan from Egypt by 1847
>industrializing slowly, but well, have 16 industry score in 1851
>budget is looking good, surplus of about 400-1000 per day
>army is a little constrained by recruitment limits, but number of available brigades is slowly going up, all brigades are modern units, no more irregulars
>building railroads from Konstantiyye, to the Danube, and from Ankara to Baghdad and Damascus
>suddenly a Crisis happens
>first one resolved pretty easily, plus I have Britain as an ally
>Russia wanting to give Greece West Macedonia
>France and Austria join Russo-Greek side in the crisis, as does Spain
>Prussia and Britain join mine
>War breaks out
>at war with Russia, Austria, France, Spain, and Greece
>have only 9K troops in Asia, will need to raise more
>have only 47K troops in the Balkans

I saved and quit, plan to come back later and at least give the war a shot, but there's no way I can win.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:21 pm

Ism wrote:I would like to introduce the King of Croatia, who is a Bosnian of Italian descent. And why does he rule none of Croatia? Because of this monstrosity. Long story short, Venetians should never be allowed to dictate crusade locations. They just fuck everything up.

WHAT IN OBLIVION IS THAT GREY-BROWN MASS TO THE EAST?
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Postby The Imperial Reach » Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:43 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Ism wrote:I would like to introduce the King of Croatia, who is a Bosnian of Italian descent. And why does he rule none of Croatia? Because of this monstrosity. Long story short, Venetians should never be allowed to dictate crusade locations. They just fuck everything up.

WHAT IN OBLIVION IS THAT GREY-BROWN MASS TO THE EAST?


I believe that's the color of Syria, I think. Might be wrong.
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The Imperial Reach wrote:I've encountered this event maybe 4 times and I've never lost - not even once. Even the one time when I had no skill-related options, I still won.

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Postby Valrifell » Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:46 pm

The Imperial Reach wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:WHAT IN OBLIVION IS THAT GREY-BROWN MASS TO THE EAST?


I believe that's the color of Syria, I think. Might be wrong.


Looks like it, but at the same time we can't ignore the possibility of a Latin Empire gone disastrously wrong.
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Postby The Imperial Reach » Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:49 pm

So the Western Protectorate has like 3-5 counties... and a total of 130k troops.

Seems legit.

On a side note, I can now muster 100k troops and am currently using them to wage war against the Taid because honestly if I don't keep chipping away at these guys they just keep getting bigger and adding more units to their army size. They rock a total 90k now which is about 10k less than me and thus a very clear threat. If I can just keep kicking them out of Persia and Transoxiana I might have a chance to permanently weaken them. The dude holds fucking 4 Imperial titles, smh. I could probably hold 2 at most, maybe 3 if I'm lucky. I need to expand into Europe more but I don't want to fight the HRE county by county. I mean I could do it, but it's so tedious. My current char wasted his invasion casus belli against fucking Yemen before I took control of him; a war I had to end in White Peace because the Jihad for Maghreb required my full attention since the HRE didn't want to bother and defend his own territory like the chump he is.

On the bright side, Al-Jazira/Assyria is now de jure part of Byzantium.
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The Imperial Reach wrote:I've encountered this event maybe 4 times and I've never lost - not even once. Even the one time when I had no skill-related options, I still won.

Stop giving me more reasons to hate you
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NS stats are the Devil's lettuce
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Postby The Imperial Reach » Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:50 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Imperial Reach wrote:
I believe that's the color of Syria, I think. Might be wrong.


Looks like it, but at the same time we can't ignore the possibility of a Latin Empire gone disastrously wrong.


The Latin Empire is already a disaster.

1204 worst year of life.
Impaled Nazarene wrote:
The Imperial Reach wrote:I've encountered this event maybe 4 times and I've never lost - not even once. Even the one time when I had no skill-related options, I still won.

Stop giving me more reasons to hate you
In the process of a massive retcon, like, massive
NS stats are the Devil's lettuce
I'm too lazy to make cool for a fancy sig

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Postby Ism » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:31 am

The Imperial Reach wrote:
Ism wrote:I would like to introduce the King of Croatia, who is a Bosnian of Italian descent. And why does he rule none of Croatia? Because of this monstrosity. Long story short, Venetians should never be allowed to dictate crusade locations. They just fuck everything up.


"Aliia"?


Man I don't even know. With stats like those I guess you can pick any name you want.

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Ism wrote:I would like to introduce the King of Croatia, who is a Bosnian of Italian descent. And why does he rule none of Croatia? Because of this monstrosity. Long story short, Venetians should never be allowed to dictate crusade locations. They just fuck everything up.

WHAT IN OBLIVION IS THAT GREY-BROWN MASS TO THE EAST?


Seljuks made Syria their primary title. It is quite the eyesore, but thankfully they've been pushed back in just about every direction, so that color isn't omnipresent anymore.
Valrifell wrote:
The Imperial Reach wrote:
I believe that's the color of Syria, I think. Might be wrong.


Looks like it, but at the same time we can't ignore the possibility of a Latin Empire gone disastrously wrong.


God no. Latin Empire lasted maybe a decade before the Seljuks stomped it into the ground. Bloody Venetians.




Anyway, this world got real interesting.

For starters, I don't know how any of this happened, and I really really really don't want to know.

Right here is where I Deus Vulted so hard the RNG blessed me.

Which got us to here. Nothing quite like snagging the Crusade for your dynasty, especially the Holy Land. Although the all of the gold, piety and prestige comes close. Actually, forget the Holy Land nonsense, gimme more gold.

And while good ol' Mael-Patraic didn't actually get to be that old, he did become the first Saint of our dynasty. Which after a cornucopia of beatified rulers was quite welcome. Even if the bloodline is very meh.

And then the RNG smiled upon me. Again.

Also, I managed to get my dynasty situated such that, in the next generation we will hold the kingdoms of Ireland, England, Galicia, Leon, Lusitania (those last three all under one ruler), Lotharingia (vassal of the HRE), France and Jerusalem.

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