Battlefield 5...Thoughts?

[Torrocca]

Can you point me out to where I said the Wehrmacht was clean? Of course they committed war crimes, I'm just saying that many Germans were forced into the military. But if you want to put words into my mouth, go right ahead.


It's almost like they wanted to win the war. You know, because the last time they lost, the Allies fucked Germany in the ass. Am I saying they were justified? No. Besides, would you be willing to protest against a government that routinely killed not only people who they thought were subhuman, but dissenters too? Talk all you want, you'd better be glad you didn't have to make a choice like that.

oddly enough the russians could have thrown down their guns after the cold war or overthrown Stalin, but they didn't

Could you possibly talk in ways that aren't half a dozen different whataboutisms tying back to the USSR to diminish the Nazis crimes?

[Kash Island]

oddly enough the russians could have thrown down their guns after the cold war or overthrown Stalin, but they didn't

Could you possibly talk in ways that aren't half a dozen different whataboutisms tying back to the USSR to diminish the Nazis crimes?

Don't get upset when the Communists are being held to the same standard.

[Arcanda]

I understand that it's a videogame and as with many works of fiction it has parts of fantasy in it. However there is a balance to strike, and apparently they've missed it with BF V by implementing way too much fantasy. At least that's what I got from the trailer. And the European front of WW2 is over-used: Too bad, I had wanted to play a Battlefield game for a long time.

[Torrocca]

Could you possibly talk in ways that aren't half a dozen different whataboutisms tying back to the USSR to diminish the Nazis crimes?

Don't get upset when the Communists are being held to the same standard.

You're deliberately bringing them up to diminish Nazi Germany's crimes.

I understand that it's a videogame and as with many works of fiction it has parts of fantasy in it. However there is a balance to strike, and apparently they've missed it with BF V by implementing way too much fantasy. At least that's what I got from the trailer. And the European front of WW2 is over-used: Too bad, I had wanted to play a Battlefield game for a long time.

Well, we haven't seen any gameplay as of yet. And the representation that they gave was mainly to show how much you could customize your character; obviously they took it to an extreme, but it is what it is.

[Barboneia]

I understand that it's a videogame and as with many works of fiction it has parts of fantasy in it. However there is a balance to strike, and apparently they've missed it with BF V by implementing way too much fantasy. At least that's what I got from the trailer. And the European front of WW2 is over-used: Too bad, I had wanted to play a Battlefield game for a long time.

Well, we haven't seen any gameplay as of yet. And the representation that they gave was mainly to show how much you could customize your character; obviously they took it to an extreme, but it is what it is.

Yeah, and it “is” looking like hot shit.

[Kash Island]

Don't get upset when the Communists are being held to the same standard.

You're deliberately bringing them up to diminish Nazi Germany's crimes.

I understand that it's a videogame and as with many works of fiction it has parts of fantasy in it. However there is a balance to strike, and apparently they've missed it with BF V by implementing way too much fantasy. At least that's what I got from the trailer. And the European front of WW2 is over-used: Too bad, I had wanted to play a Battlefield game for a long time.

Well, we haven't seen any gameplay as of yet. And the representation that they gave was mainly to show how much you could customize your character; obviously they took it to an extreme, but it is what it is.

Why would I try to diminish war crimes? I bring this up because if we should have fair treatment in video games, if we are censoring logos because of atrocities associated with that faction then we need to be fair.

[Torrocca]

You're deliberately bringing them up to diminish Nazi Germany's crimes.



Well, we haven't seen any gameplay as of yet. And the representation that they gave was mainly to show how much you could customize your character; obviously they took it to an extreme, but it is what it is.

Why would I try to diminish war crimes? I bring this up because if we should have fair treatment in video games, if we are censoring logos because of atrocities associated with that faction then we need to be fair.

No, you're doing it to diminish the war crimes of the Nazis. Blathering about, "b-b-but what about-" is a fucking classic defense people defending Nazi Germany use.

[Kash Island]

Why would I try to diminish war crimes? I bring this up because if we should have fair treatment in video games, if we are censoring logos because of atrocities associated with that faction then we need to be fair.

No, you're doing it to diminish the war crimes of the Nazis. Blathering about, "b-b-but what about-" is a fucking classic defense people defending Nazi Germany use.

sorry but that's merley your opinion, misguided as it is.

I say we have the Iron Cross for the Germans and a simple Red Star for the soviets, that way it's balanced.

[Kyneland]

Can get back on topic, please?

Anyway, I do hope at least DICE will remember what the community don’t like in a trailer for the next game.
Also, if they’re going to include female frontline soldiers, maybe they should stick to more modern times.

[Kyneland]

No, you're doing it to diminish the war crimes of the Nazis. Blathering about, "b-b-but what about-" is a fucking classic defense people defending Nazi Germany use.

sorry but that's merley your opinion, misguided as it is.

I say we have the Iron Cross for the Germans and a simple Red Star for the soviets, that way it's balanced.

Eh, I’d prefer the swastika for the Reich and Hammer and Sickle combo for the USSR.
Though, the German version would of course use another symbol for the Germans, same with copies in countries that ban X symbol.

[Torrocca]

No, you're doing it to diminish the war crimes of the Nazis. Blathering about, "b-b-but what about-" is a fucking classic defense people defending Nazi Germany use.

sorry but that's merley your opinion, misguided as it is.

You do it every thread where you're involved in that has Nazis brought up.

I say we have the Iron Cross for the Germans and a simple Red Star for the soviets, that way it's balanced.

Nah. Soviets get to keep their hammer and sickle in multiplayer. :^)

Can get back on topic, please?

Anyway, I do hope at least DICE will remember what the community don’t like in a trailer for the next game.
Also, if they’re going to include female frontline soldiers, maybe they should stick to more modern times.

Female combatants are perfectly okay for a World War Two setting.

[Kash Island]

sorry but that's merley your opinion, misguided as it is.

I say we have the Iron Cross for the Germans and a simple Red Star for the soviets, that way it's balanced.

Eh, I’d prefer the swastika for the Reich and Hammer and Sickle combo for the USSR.
Though, the German version would of course use another symbol for the Germans, same with copies in countries that ban X symbol.

oh of course me to, but if they want to get all "offended" then they can do the same for the soviet side in remembrance of all those who died under that regime.

I prefer to have both the swatztika and hammer/sickle, but we should either go all in or not at all.

[Arcanda]

I understand that it's a videogame and as with many works of fiction it has parts of fantasy in it. However there is a balance to strike, and apparently they've missed it with BF V by implementing way too much fantasy. At least that's what I got from the trailer. And the European front of WW2 is over-used: Too bad, I had wanted to play a Battlefield game for a long time.

Well, we haven't seen any gameplay as of yet. And the representation that they gave was mainly to show how much you could customize your character; obviously they took it to an extreme, but it is what it is.

I'm not a fan of customization at all. I understand that a videogame has to take liberties with the real conditions of war, things like weapons, settings, etc. But they should try to stick to the subject they're trying to portray so as not to be too ridiculous, and customization won't help in that regard.

[Kash Island]

sorry but that's merley your opinion, misguided as it is.

You do it every thread where you're involved in that has Nazis brought up.

I say we have the Iron Cross for the Germans and a simple Red Star for the soviets, that way it's balanced.

Nah. Soviets get to keep their hammer and sickle in multiplayer. :^)

Can get back on topic, please?

Anyway, I do hope at least DICE will remember what the community don’t like in a trailer for the next game.
Also, if they’re going to include female frontline soldiers, maybe they should stick to more modern times.

Female combatants are perfectly okay for a World War Two setting.

The Soviet flag represents the iron curtain and the tyranny that followed ww2(including the holdomor) why should it be included in the game? historical accuracy? who needs it

[The Albali Republic]

Can get back on topic, please?

Anyway, I do hope at least DICE will remember what the community don’t like in a trailer for the next game.
Also, if they’re going to include female frontline soldiers, maybe they should stick to more modern times.

Yeah, going back on topic sounds good.

Speaking of DICE and learning lessons anyway, how do you think the DLC will be paid for in this game? I recall Battlefront II having free DLC that was paid for by lootboxes (I think anyway, I'm not sure if that was true. I never followed or cared about it before). There's no Premium pass either, so that's out. Would it actually be free, no strings attached? I don't trust EA, but I do trust DICE.

[Torrocca]

You do it every thread where you're involved in that has Nazis brought up.



Nah. Soviets get to keep their hammer and sickle in multiplayer. :^)



Female combatants are perfectly okay for a World War Two setting.

The Soviet flag represents the iron curtain and the tyranny that followed ww2(including the holdomor) why should it be included in the game? historical accuracy? who needs it

Because the Soviet atrocities are no where near on par with the Nazi atrocities, Mr. "I Like to Play the Genocide Olympics!" :^)

Well, we haven't seen any gameplay as of yet. And the representation that they gave was mainly to show how much you could customize your character; obviously they took it to an extreme, but it is what it is.

I'm not a fan of customization at all. I understand that a videogame has to take liberties with the real conditions of war, things like weapons, settings, etc. But they should try to stick to the subject they're trying to portray so as not to be too ridiculous, and customization won't help in that regard.

Well, the overall soldier customization will be decided by the community at large. If the community wants historical authenticity, they'll design their characters to be authentic to the times. If not, then we'll have one-armed Rambos.

Besides that, though, DICE plans to include a setting to turn off customization on the client-side, so individuals can decide whether or not they can see the odd customization other people want to go for.

[Kyneland]

Can get back on topic, please?

Anyway, I do hope at least DICE will remember what the community don’t like in a trailer for the next game.
Also, if they’re going to include female frontline soldiers, maybe they should stick to more modern times.

Yeah, going back on topic sounds good.

Speaking of DICE and learning lessons anyway, how do you think the DLC will be paid for in this game? I recall Battlefront II having free DLC that was paid for by lootboxes (I think anyway, I'm not sure if that was true. I never followed or cared about it before). There's no Premium pass either, so that's out. Would it actually be free, no strings attached? I don't trust EA, but I do trust DICE.

I’m not entirely sure. I have a sneaking suspicion that the game will be kind of a flop for DICE. Of course, I’m not an expert in estimating stuff like that, but I have a feeling.
DLC may have to pay for itself.

[Kash Island]

The Soviet flag represents the iron curtain and the tyranny that followed ww2(including the holdomor) why should it be included in the game? historical accuracy? who needs it

Because the Soviet atrocities are no where near on par with the Nazi atrocities, Mr. "I Like to Play the Genocide Olympics!" :^)

I'm not a fan of customization at all. I understand that a videogame has to take liberties with the real conditions of war, things like weapons, settings, etc. But they should try to stick to the subject they're trying to portray so as not to be too ridiculous, and customization won't help in that regard.

Well, the overall soldier customization will be decided by the community at large. If the community wants historical authenticity, they'll design their characters to be authentic to the times. If not, then we'll have one-armed Rambos.

Besides that, though, DICE plans to include a setting to turn off customization on the client-side, so individuals can decide whether or not they can see the odd customization other people want to go for.

Actually Soviet atrocities far exceeded that of Nazi Germany by millions(low end) so I'm not really buying that as an argument for the game to NOT censor the hammer and sickle.

[Kyneland]

The Soviet flag represents the iron curtain and the tyranny that followed ww2(including the holdomor) why should it be included in the game? historical accuracy? who needs it

Because the Soviet atrocities are no where near on par with the Nazi atrocities, Mr. "I Like to Play the Genocide Olympics!" :^)

I'm not a fan of customization at all. I understand that a videogame has to take liberties with the real conditions of war, things like weapons, settings, etc. But they should try to stick to the subject they're trying to portray so as not to be too ridiculous, and customization won't help in that regard.

Well, the overall soldier customization will be decided by the community at large. If the community wants historical authenticity, they'll design their characters to be authentic to the times. If not, then we'll have one-armed Rambos.

Besides that, though, DICE plans to include a setting to turn off customization on the client-side, so individuals can decide whether or not they can see the odd customization other people want to go for.

I’d like to see the setting allow you to choice which customisation options don’t display on the individual’s screen. I’d definitely prefer that over a general “off” setting.

[Torrocca]

Because the Soviet atrocities are no where near on par with the Nazi atrocities, Mr. "I Like to Play the Genocide Olympics!" :^)



Well, the overall soldier customization will be decided by the community at large. If the community wants historical authenticity, they'll design their characters to be authentic to the times. If not, then we'll have one-armed Rambos.

Besides that, though, DICE plans to include a setting to turn off customization on the client-side, so individuals can decide whether or not they can see the odd customization other people want to go for.

Actually Soviet atrocities far exceeded that of Nazi Germany by millions(low end) so I'm not really buying that as an argument for the game to NOT censor the hammer and sickle.

Just keep on playing those Genocide Olympics there, where the only thing that matters is numbers and literally nothing else.

[Torrocca]

Because the Soviet atrocities are no where near on par with the Nazi atrocities, Mr. "I Like to Play the Genocide Olympics!" :^)



Well, the overall soldier customization will be decided by the community at large. If the community wants historical authenticity, they'll design their characters to be authentic to the times. If not, then we'll have one-armed Rambos.

Besides that, though, DICE plans to include a setting to turn off customization on the client-side, so individuals can decide whether or not they can see the odd customization other people want to go for.

I’d like to see the setting allow you to choice which customisation options don’t display on the individual’s screen. I’d definitely prefer that over a general “off” setting.

Well, they might go for that too, actually. I'm not entirely sure, they haven't revealed the scope of customization options yet.

[Barboneia]

I think the game shouldn’t ban hammers and sickles or swastikas because that would go against their whole “we want to be respectful and accurate to the time period” thing, as if acting like women were standard frontline combatants wasn’t already doing that.

[Kyneland]

Actually Soviet atrocities far exceeded that of Nazi Germany by millions(low end) so I'm not really buying that as an argument for the game to NOT censor the hammer and sickle.

Just keep on playing those Genocide Olympics there, where the only thing that matters is numbers and literally nothing else.

Because the Soviet atrocities are no where near on par with the Nazi atrocities, Mr. "I Like to Play the Genocide Olympics!" :^)



Well, the overall soldier customization will be decided by the community at large. If the community wants historical authenticity, they'll design their characters to be authentic to the times. If not, then we'll have one-armed Rambos.

Besides that, though, DICE plans to include a setting to turn off customization on the client-side, so individuals can decide whether or not they can see the odd customization other people want to go for.

Actually Soviet atrocities far exceeded that of Nazi Germany by millions(low end) so I'm not really buying that as an argument for the game to NOT censor the hammer and sickle.

Can we please not argue over who killed more and general WWII atrocity number wanking?

[Pilarcraft]

Oh no, this part of the Clean Wehrmacht mythos.

Can you point me out to where I said the Wehrmacht was clean? Of course they committed war crimes, I'm just saying that many Germans were forced into the military. But if you want to put words into my mouth, go right ahead.

Drop your gun and surrender yourself to the allies when they get there? don't fucking shoot the gun? The soldiers make the army, if they refuse to follow orders fucking based on genocide and/or violent expulsion of entire populations, the army won't be able to do shit, as seen more times than possibly countable in human history. The fact that they didn't do anything is enough for every single one of them to be condemned.
After all, The fact they didn't like, not fire at people in Poland (to only start the shitshow that was The Axis campaigns in WW2), either means they didn't think it was wrong, or that they didn't have the balls to protest. And neither admonishes them of the guilt.

It's almost like they wanted to win the war. You know, because the last time they lost, the Allies fucked Germany in the ass. Am I saying they were justified? No. Besides, would you be willing to protest against a government that routinely killed not only people who they thought were subhuman, but dissenters too? Talk all you want, you'd better be glad you didn't have to make a choice like that.

Just fucking drop your gun and surrender yourself to the allies. The Germans were going to lose anyway. Even from the very first day, it was inevitable. The only problem was "how many people are going to die until these assholes get it into their thick skulls they're inevitably going to lose". And the answer was close to 80 million. Because Fritz no.1 and Hans no. 2 were to scared of dropping their weapon and chose to fight for the government who had got into power by saying "Yeah so lets take over the Balkans and kill everyone who lives there so we'll have more space to breath in!". I'm not going to accept their excuse. They were the bad guys. That war was the only war where it had a side that was Evil. Not going to excuse it.

[Kyneland]

I’d like to see the setting allow you to choice which customisation options don’t display on the individual’s screen. I’d definitely prefer that over a general “off” setting.

Well, they might go for that too, actually. I'm not entirely sure, they haven't revealed the scope of customization options yet.

Hopefully that’s the case.