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by **Indo-Malaysia** » Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:46 am

The Britpop Movement began in the early 90's in reaction to the popularity of the darker US Grunge Movement. Songs of the movement were typically bright, catchy pop music.
The Big Four, a term for four of the most successful bands of the movement consist of Oasis (1991 - 2009), Blur (1988 - 2003, 2008 - present), Suede (1989 - 2003, 2010 - present) and Pulp (1978 - 2002, 2011 - 2013). Despite this, many other bands joined the movement, such as The Stone Roses, famed for their participation in the Madchester Movement.

Typically, the movement is said to have lasted from 1993 - 1997, with it ending according to some with the release of Oasis' third album, Be Here Now.

Despite its apparent death, Post-Britpop movements and a Britpop Revival has occurred in the 21st Century, with influences clear in Liam Gallagher's As You Were (2017).

What are your thoughts on the movement?

by **Indo-Malaysia** » Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:26 pm

I own a few albums from the original Britpop Movement.

I have Second Coming by The Stone Roses, Definitely Maybe by Oasis, (What's the Story?) Morning Glory by Oasis, Be Here Now by Oasis, Urban Hymns by The Verve, and Parklife by Blur.

by **Pharoahs Haven** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:24 am

I like Live Forever, from I think the Definetly Maybe album. Don't Look Back in Anger from morning glory was good too.

by **Conoga** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:42 am

I will stab Oasis fans on sight.

it used to be Blur (and that's what I voted), but I think I might prefer Pulp now. I still don't like Oasis or Suede. My favourite album is probably 13, but that might not even be Britpop, so I don't know.

by **Indo-Malaysia** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:11 am

Conoga wrote:I will stab Oasis fans on sight.

it used to be Blur (and that's what I voted), but I think I might prefer Pulp now. I still don't like Oasis or Suede. My favourite album is probably 13, but that might not even be Britpop, so I don't know.

Have you listened to anything by The Verve?

by **Freezic Vast** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:22 am

Oasis, because Wonderwall was a great top 10 hit here in the U.S. and that's good enough for me.

by **Philjia** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:49 pm

Pulp is far and away my favourite major britpop act. I also rather like Elastica and Echobelly.

by **Indo-Malaysia** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:14 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:Oasis, because Wonderwall was a great top 10 hit here in the U.S. and that's good enough for me.

I heard the genre wasn't that big in the US. Apparently everyone was listening to Nirvana, and grunge stuff :meh:

(Tho im not really into Nirvana, I do like their cover of The Man Who Sold the World, so don't kill me)

by **Freezic Vast** » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:39 am

Indo-Malaysia wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:Oasis, because Wonderwall was a great top 10 hit here in the U.S. and that's good enough for me.

I heard the genre wasn't that big in the US. Apparently everyone was listening to Nirvana, and grunge stuff

(Tho im not really into Nirvana, I do like their cover of The Man Who Sold the World, so don't kill me)

Oh trust me, I'm not a fan of Nirvana either, I actually think Smells Like Teen Spirit is overrated garbage.

by **Indo-Malaysia** » Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:52 am

Featured Album
Second Coming - The Stone Roses (1994)

Following their amazing 1989 debut album, the Madchester band The Stone Roses had a lengthy 4 year legal battle with Silvertone Records after becoming displeased with payment. During and after the lawsuit period, with Silvertone Records still owning the rights to the older recordings by the band, milked the band by releasing albums and compilations without the bands consent, these being Turns into Stone (1992), a collection of B-Sides; The Complete Stone Roses (1995), a compilation of songs from their debut single So Young/Tell Me, their debut album The Stone Roses and some rare B-Sides; their initially cancelled post-punk debut album recorded in 1985, Garage Flower (1996); The Remixes (2000), a collection of Remixes of their debut album; and The Very Best of The Stone Roses (2002), compilation of their debut, Second Coming and B-Sides.

When The Stone Roses had eventually got round to start recording an album with Geffen Records, the UK musical environment had changed, with the emergence of The Big Four (Suede, Blur, Oasis and Pulp) and the Britpop movement. This and the immense expectations driven by their wonderful debut had created a recipe for disaster.

Track List
Breaking into Heaven
Driving South
Ten Storey Love Song
Daybreak
Your Star Will Shine
Straight to the Man
Begging You
Tightrope
Good Times
Tears
How Do You Sleep
Love Spreads

The first song, Breaking into Heaven is a lengthy 11 Minutes and 21 Seconds, Four and a Half Minutes of that being an introduction of Tribal Drumbeats and the occasional guitar strum. However, it is well worth it when it gets going, with the actual song being great. One can tell the huge departure from the bands previous style, with it resembling something closer to that of Led Zeppelin than a Madchester band.

Driving South begins with a rather typical Hard Rock/Led Zeppelin-esque opening before starting. From there on, it gets pretty meh, almost akin to a lame b-side or a practice jam.

Ten Storey Love Song is as close to The Stone Roses one can find on this album. It is a 'lovely' song, and is one of the few on this album that prevent it from being an absolute disaster.

Daybreak immediately notices the band's attempt to make return-to-roots song, and gets out a blowtorch and burns them. Its a pretty shitty song that is one of the detracting features of the album.

Taking a turn from the rest of the album, Your Star Will Shine begins rather acoustically, with it leading to Ian Brown's vocals. The song is rather nice, and its a shame there wasn't more acoustic tracks on the album.

Straight to the Man begins with a few Tribal Drums, and what seems to be a Didgeridoo. It then opens up to appears to be a sloppily made track that sounds like it would be crappy b-side on a single. It seems to be a running theme that the good tracks are encased in shitty ones

Despite being disliked by a few, I rather like Begging You. Despite the dance song being rather out of place in this album, it sounds rather good and unique, and its better this than John Squire turning into a Led Zeppelin guitarist.

Tightrope is a mainly vocal song. The album version starts of quite bad, but improves about nearly 2 minutes in and turns alright. I say album version, because it actually sounds beautiful live, even the start!

Good Times at the start sounds like something out of a Western Film, before turning into Led Zeppelin, before then quoting a play from 1697 named The Mourning Bride. After, the song does improves, but is just ok.

Tears gets quite a bit of flak, but I actually don't mind it. It is like the good section of Tightrope, with its slow vocals and its ambient acoustic sound. Its not the next Sally Cinnamon like reviewers and fans search for, but it is good in its own right.

How Do You Sleep is one of the better songs on the album. It starts with a electric guitar. You'd be fooled into thinking it was going to be another shitty song, but it suddenly turns into a song similar to the style of Tightrope and Tears.

The Album concludes with Love Spreads, another guitar heavy piece but unlike some others on the album, is done right. I tend to think of it as similar to Driving South, but far far better. It opens up with a guitar riff and drums, before leading moving up to Ian Brown's vocals. My favourite bit of the song is the chorus (First one is approx. 1:43) where it says "Let me put you in the picture, let me show you what I mean! The Messiah is my Sister, Ain't no King man she's my Queen". Even better is 3 and a half minutes in when the chorus begins with very little background instruments.

Overall, the general consensus by some is that the lengthy legal battle with Silvertone Records was the cause for the albums failure, as the bands was barred from releasing new material, causing their popularity to dwindle. For those who didnt move on, it massively built up hype: remember the videogame No Man's Sky? Picture that but it is music.

I decided to feature this, because the band itself was an important influence on the Britpop movement, notably with their amazing debut album and the legendary Spike Island concert.
However, I chose Second Coming instead of The Stone Roses, as though the latter helped spur the movement on, the former had included some britpop-esque influences, and was a story of how the Stone Roses were a victim of their own success and the movement they helped spur on.

by **Pharoahs Haven** » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:31 am

I swear the poll forgot I voted.

by **Conoga** » Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:21 am

Indo-Malaysia wrote:
Conoga wrote:I will stab Oasis fans on sight.

it used to be Blur (and that's what I voted), but I think I might prefer Pulp now. I still don't like Oasis or Suede. My favourite album is probably 13, but that might not even be Britpop, so I don't know.

Have you listened to anything by The Verve?

Not in a long time. Probably just "The Drugs Don't Work" and "Bittersweet Symphony," anyway. I don't really like either of those songs, though.

Philjia wrote:Pulp is far and away my favourite major britpop act. I also rather like Elastica and Echobelly.

I've never actually listened to the album, but I like a few of Elastica's singles (which is mostly what Britpop's good for, I think). Worth a listen?

No one's mentioned Ash yet, who I think are really fantastic.

by **Indo-Malaysia** » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:42 am

Conoga wrote:
Indo-Malaysia wrote:Have you listened to anything by The Verve?
Not in a long time. Probably just "The Drugs Don't Work" and "Bittersweet Symphony," anyway. I don't really like either of those songs, though.
Philjia wrote:Pulp is far and away my favourite major britpop act. I also rather like Elastica and Echobelly.
I've never actually listened to the album, but I like a few of Elastica's singles (which is mostly what Britpop's good for, I think). Worth a listen?

No one's mentioned Ash yet, who I think are really fantastic.

Good for singles, or good for Elastica?

by **Philjia** » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:48 am

Conoga wrote:
Philjia wrote:Pulp is far and away my favourite major britpop act. I also rather like Elastica and Echobelly.
I've never actually listened to the album, but I like a few of Elastica's singles (which is mostly what Britpop's good for, I think). Worth a listen?

No one's mentioned Ash yet, who I think are really fantastic.

Ash were never happy being associated with Britpop, what with being from Northern Ireland and all.

I am looking forward to their next album though.

by **Pharoahs Haven** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:33 am

Philjia wrote:
Conoga wrote:I've never actually listened to the album, but I like a few of Elastica's singles (which is mostly what Britpop's good for, I think). Worth a listen?

No one's mentioned Ash yet, who I think are really fantastic.

Ash were never happy being associated with Britpop, what with being from Northern Ireland and all.

I am looking forward to their next album though.

Well, in the 90's Ireland still had that ethno-nationalist conflict ._

by **Conoga** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:04 am

Indo-Malaysia wrote:Good for singles, or good for Elastica?

I think Britpop is better at making good singles than it is at making good albums

Philjia wrote:Ash were never happy being associated with Britpop, what with being from Northern Ireland and all.

I am looking forward to their next album though.

Pop on the River Foyle, then? I think people who enjoy Britpop would like Ash, at least.

by **Pharoahs Haven** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:34 am

Conoga wrote:
Indo-Malaysia wrote:Good for singles, or good for Elastica?
I think Britpop is better at making good singles than it is at making good albums

Is it just me who buys singles for the b-sides?

by **Conoga** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:25 pm

Pharoahs Haven wrote:
Conoga wrote:I think Britpop is better at making good singles than it is at making good albums

Is it just me who buys singles for the b-sides?

Probably no.

by **Indo-Malaysia** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:34 pm

Anyone know any albums with nice looking covers?

by **Minoa** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:30 pm

Does R.E.M count as Britpop? :roll:

by **Indo-Malaysia** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:43 pm

Minoa wrote:Does R.E.M count as Britpop?

I have listened to some R.E.M songs (namely Orange Crush & Superman).'

I'd say they are more rock (alternative rock?), and they were sorta .. American.

They were around in the 80s/90s till about 2011. Similar timeframe (80s/90s) to The Stone Roses, similar genre (the roses ditched post-punk and started alternative rock and jangle pop), and some similar influences (The Smiths).

I am no expert. I had to do a Wikipedia search.

by **Philjia** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:42 pm

Indo-Malaysia wrote:
Minoa wrote:Does R.E.M count as Britpop?

I have listened to some R.E.M songs (namely Orange Crush & Superman).'

I'd say they are more rock (alternative rock?), and they were sorta .. American.

They were around in the 80s/90s till about 2011. Similar timeframe (80s/90s) to The Stone Roses, similar genre (the roses ditched post-punk and started alternative rock and jangle pop), and some similar influences (The Smiths).

I am no expert. I had to do a Wikipedia search.

REM were one of the two principle originators of alt rock in the US, the other being Hüsker Dü. So no, not really Britpop.

There was, however, a lot of interesting British pop and rock in the years just before Britpop became a thing. Stuff like Inspiral Carpets, Cud, and the inimitable XTC.

by **Pharoahs Haven** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:30 pm

Philjia wrote:
Indo-Malaysia wrote:I have listened to some R.E.M songs (namely Orange Crush & Superman).'

I'd say they are more rock (alternative rock?), and they were sorta .. American.

They were around in the 80s/90s till about 2011. Similar timeframe (80s/90s) to The Stone Roses, similar genre (the roses ditched post-punk and started alternative rock and jangle pop), and some similar influences (The Smiths).

I am no expert. I had to do a Wikipedia search.

REM were one of the two principle originators of alt rock in the US, the other being Hüsker Dü. So no, not really Britpop.

There was, however, a lot of interesting British pop and rock in the years just before Britpop became a thing. Stuff like Inspiral Carpets, Cud, and the inimitable XTC.

Inspiral Carpets?

Noel Gallagher used to be a roadie for them before he joined The Rain/Oasis. He says they are shit.

I will listen to them eventually though on YouTube because I honestly feel that despite Oasis (And the Gallaghers solo careers) having pretty good music, they are arseholes when not doing music.

by **Pharoahs Haven** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:40 pm

(Not really Britpop, but does anyone listen to The Courteeners?)

by **Conoga** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:35 am

Pharoahs Haven wrote:(Not really Britpop, but does anyone listen to The Courteeners?)

No, never heard of them.

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