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Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:20 pm**

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:
I didnt like it, but im not gona get too worked up over Reylo being confirmed, would have preferred if they didnt kiss, think it would have been a better scene but eh

I've been vehemently against it for 5 years, of course I'm getting upset about it.

Shipping rage is the most pointless of fandom rage. I mean it's fictional characters hooking up. Not the end of the world.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:22 pm**

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:
I didnt like it, but im not gona get too worked up over Reylo being confirmed, would have preferred if they didnt kiss, think it would have been a better scene but eh

I've been vehemently against it for 5 years, of course I'm getting upset about it.

I mean it was a pretty minor thing in the movie. A lot bigger things to be upset about.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:27 pm**

Andsed wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:I've been vehemently against it for 5 years, of course I'm getting upset about it.

I mean it was a pretty minor thing in the movie. A lot bigger things to be upset about.

99% of ROS' problems are TLJ's fault.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:06 pm**

Ameriganastan wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:But the point is made. Think about it, maybe you could take 5, but more than that it starts to become a quantity over quality thing. Take the Mando. 1v1 he was whipping Jawa ass, pulling bitches out of windows and throwing them off cliffs. Got to the top and there were 15 at once. That’s when he lost.

Yeah...still not buying it. He's got weaponry, training, armor, etc. And lost to, I repeat for the umpteenth time now, JAWAS.

Cannot think of a name wrote:

Yoda: Centuries old Jedi master.
Jawas: Little desert scavengers.

Yeah, totally comparable.

So, then, what're your thoughts on the Battle of Endor?

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:31 pm**

Tarsonis wrote: Germans might have had the superior tanks in every way imaginable, but the Soviet’s had a shit ton more than they did.

No they didn't German tanks after the IV were hilariously unreliable and the Soviets had the upgraded T-34s, KV tanks, IS series, and more lesser known tanks that all out performed the Germans.
The only reason the late war German tanks looked good was because they were fighting a non-stop defensive war.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:41 pm**

Dylar wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Yeah...still not buying it. He's got weaponry, training, armor, etc. And lost to, I repeat for the umpteenth time now, JAWAS.

Yoda: Centuries old Jedi master.
Jawas: Little desert scavengers.

Yeah, totally comparable.

So, then, what're your thoughts on the Battle of Endor?

The battle of Endor was actually kind of dumb though. I mean the empire had legions or fully armed stormtroopers, a massive fleet and the second Death Star. The Rebels should have been wiped out and really only won through plot armor.

Also speaking of the Empire I really like how Fallen Order while showing it as the evil oppressive force that it was, humanizes many of the stormtroopers. Kinda makes me feel bad for killing them.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:45 pm**

Andsed wrote:The battle of Endor was actually kind of dumb though. I mean the empire had legions or fully armed stormtroopers, a massive fleet and the second Death Star. The Rebels should have been wiped out and really only won through plot armor.

Pretty much.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:47 pm**

Andsed wrote:
Dylar wrote:So, then, what're your thoughts on the Battle of Endor?

The battle of Endor was actually kind of dumb though. I mean the empire had legions or fully armed stormtroopers, a massive fleet and the second Death Star. The Rebels should have been wiped out and really only won through plot armor.

Also speaking of the Empire I really like how Fallen Order while showing it as the evil oppressive force that it was, humanizes many of the stormtroopers. Kinda makes me feel bad for killing them.

The Imperial training program was notoriously bad at encouraging skill and discipline and more focused on emphasizing ruthlessness at the expense of your comrades. They had a very 'sith academy' mindset.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:06 pm**

Genivaria wrote:
Andsed wrote:The battle of Endor was actually kind of dumb though. I mean the empire had legions or fully armed stormtroopers, a massive fleet and the second Death Star. The Rebels should have been wiped out and really only won through plot armor.

Also speaking of the Empire I really like how Fallen Order while showing it as the evil oppressive force that it was, humanizes many of the stormtroopers. Kinda makes me feel bad for killing them.

The Imperial training program was notoriously bad at encouraging skill and discipline and more focused on emphasizing ruthlessness at the expense of your comrades. They had a very 'sith academy' mindset.

No wonder why Han Solo was better shooter than them, and he was a former Imperial officer.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:11 pm**

Empire could've won if they didn't put weak spots on their super weapons, at least with the First Death Star, Rogue One explains why the weak spot is there.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:40 pm**

Aeritai wrote:Empire could've won if they didn't put weak spots on their super weapons, at least with the First Death Star, Rogue One explains why the weak spot is there.

Empire could've won if they didn't waste so much manpower and resources BUILDING super weapons and relied on a more flexible navy.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:54 pm**

Jolthig wrote:
Genivaria wrote:The Imperial training program was notoriously bad at encouraging skill and discipline and more focused on emphasizing ruthlessness at the expense of your comrades. They had a very 'sith academy' mindset.

No wonder why Han Solo was better shooter than them, and he was a former Imperial officer.

Generation Tech has done a good job in analyzing the difference in tactics and training of the Clone Troopers, Imperial Storm Troopers, and First Order Storm Troopers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKHAnVnt-3A

Basically the Imps were a major step down from the Clone Troopers and FO Troopers were an attempt to harken back to the skill of the Clone Troopers through taking children and training them from birth.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:57 pm**

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:
I didnt like it, but im not gona get too worked up over Reylo being confirmed, would have preferred if they didnt kiss, think it would have been a better scene but eh

I've been vehemently against it for 5 years, of course I'm getting upset about it.

Upside:

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:58 pm**

Genivaria wrote:
Jolthig wrote:No wonder why Han Solo was better shooter than them, and he was a former Imperial officer.

Generation Tech has done a good job in analyzing the difference in tactics and training of the Clone Troopers, Imperial Storm Troopers, and First Order Storm Troopers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKHAnVnt-3A

I like that channel.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:03 pm**

Ameriganastan wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Generation Tech has done a good job in analyzing the difference in tactics and training of the Clone Troopers, Imperial Storm Troopers, and First Order Storm Troopers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKHAnVnt-3A

I like that channel.

So do I, #Humanity First.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:07 pm**

Genivaria wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:I like that channel.

So do I, #Humanity First.

Down with the dolphins!

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:18 pm**

Ameriganastan wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:I've been vehemently against it for 5 years, of course I'm getting upset about it.

Shipping rage is the most pointless of fandom rage. I mean it's fictional characters hooking up. Not the end of the world.

the frequency of shipping rage in like every Fandom ever would suggest it is

Ameriganastan wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So do I, #Humanity First.

Down with the dolphins!

Uppity fish is what they are

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:20 pm**

Lord Dominator wrote:the frequency of shipping rage in like every Fandom ever would suggest it is

Lord, don't I know it. Some of the messages I've gotten for writing a certain pairing. People be crazy.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:22 pm**

Ameriganastan wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:the frequency of shipping rage in like every Fandom ever would suggest it is

Lord, don't I know it. Some of the messages I've gotten for writing a certain pairing. People be crazy.

That they be

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:58 pm**

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Andsed wrote:I mean it was a pretty minor thing in the movie. A lot bigger things to be upset about.

99% of ROS' problems are TLJ's fault.

I loathe TLJ as much as the next man, but the root of the entire ST's problems are, aside from Disney not having a clue what to do with it, largely with JJ Abrams.

He did his typical 'mystery box' thing in TFA (read: set up a bunch of 'mysteries' without having a solid answer to what their resolutions were himself), then CHOSE not to direct or write the following movies, or even to take on some kind of supervising/creative oversight role, thus leaving Johnson free to just toss his half-baked mysteries out and do what he wanted. Which then of course meant he had to "fix" things when got roped into coming back for IX after Trevorrow got the boot.

Abrams and Johnson were both pretty much terrible choices for the ST. Abrams only talent is repackaging the work of other more talented people, and Johnson is way to fixated on sUbVerTinG ExPecTatIonS regardless of whether it makes sense or is narratively satisfying or works in the context of the middle movie of a trilogy.

Genivaria wrote:
Andsed wrote:The battle of Endor was actually kind of dumb though. I mean the empire had legions or fully armed stormtroopers, a massive fleet and the second Death Star. The Rebels should have been wiped out and really only won through plot armor.

Also speaking of the Empire I really like how Fallen Order while showing it as the evil oppressive force that it was, humanizes many of the stormtroopers. Kinda makes me feel bad for killing them.

The Imperial training program was notoriously bad at encouraging skill and discipline and more focused on emphasizing ruthlessness at the expense of your comrades. They had a very 'sith academy' mindset.

Yeah, no. Even accepting that as true, which would explain a lot, there is no excuse for Endor. We saw the Ewoks: short, stubby, clumsy teddy bears. We saw their weapons: crappy bows and slings. We saw their tactics: None, aside from that one log trap. Regardless of how screwed up Stormtrooper training is there is no way they should have lost on Endor.

Give me a single platoon of modern Infantry and I'll hold the bunker on Endor and render the Ewoks extinct while I'm at it.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:19 pm**

Genivaria wrote:
Aeritai wrote:Empire could've won if they didn't put weak spots on their super weapons, at least with the First Death Star, Rogue One explains why the weak spot is there.

Empire could've won if they didn't waste so much manpower and resources BUILDING super weapons and relied on a more flexible navy.

Tarkin Doctrine fucking them all over.

Posted: **Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:03 am**

Alvecia wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:I've been vehemently against it for 5 years, of course I'm getting upset about it.

Upside:
he died

Posted: **Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:13 am**

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Upside:
he died

He should have died when Rey stabbed him giving her real reason to almost go full darkside. Then he shows up as a force ghost or something and tells her not to do it, that Palpatine is a manipulative shit and that he is using her. Have him tell her that despite all their mutual anger and constant battles that she was the only person he could relate to, the only one he could consider a friend (like figure). Tell her that he chose poorly and that she can still turn away from darkness, turn away from Palpatine's lies.

Posted: **Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:46 am**

Tarsonis wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:
He should have died when Rey stabbed him giving her real reason to almost go full darkside. Then he shows up as a force ghost or something and tells her not to do it, that Palpatine is a manipulative shit and that he is using her. Have him tell her that despite all their mutual anger and constant battles that she was the only person he could relate to, the only one he could consider a friend (like figure). Tell her that he chose poorly and that she can still turn away from darkness, turn away from Palpatine's lies.

Problem being that force ghost is typically the realm of the Jedi. If he dies before his redemption arc, no blue halo

Posted: **Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:50 am**

Vassenor wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Problem being that force ghost is typically the realm of the Jedi. If he dies before his redemption arc, no blue halo

Not just "typically". It's a hard and fast rule in this canon that Sith can't be Force Ghosts.

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