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If you could have a legacy upon the Star Wars galaxy, how would you want to be remembered?

As the fearless Jedi Knight, first into the fight against evil
3
4%
As the peacemaking Jedi Master
11
13%
As the shadow that lurks in the dark, influencing the galaxy with subtlety
9
11%
As the Sith Master that reveals themselves and dominates all opposition
18
21%
As the rogue who finds their fortune
2
2%
As the crime boss who lavishes in luxury
1
1%
As the bounty hunter that lives long enough to retire
7
8%
As the veteran soldier who fights for their cause for a lifetime
10
12%
As the daredevil explorer, placing their lives on the line to map the galaxy and reshape its very structure
10
12%
Dude, this galaxy's frickin' crazy, just let me be a normal civilian
13
15%
 
Total votes : 84

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I didnt like it, but im not gona get too worked up over Reylo being confirmed, would have preferred if they didnt kiss, think it would have been a better scene but eh

I've been vehemently against it for 5 years, of course I'm getting upset about it.

Shipping rage is the most pointless of fandom rage. I mean it's fictional characters hooking up. Not the end of the world.
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Postby Andsed » Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:22 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:
I didnt like it, but im not gona get too worked up over Reylo being confirmed, would have preferred if they didnt kiss, think it would have been a better scene but eh

I've been vehemently against it for 5 years, of course I'm getting upset about it.

I mean it was a pretty minor thing in the movie. A lot bigger things to be upset about.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:27 pm

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Impaled Nazarene wrote:I've been vehemently against it for 5 years, of course I'm getting upset about it.

I mean it was a pretty minor thing in the movie. A lot bigger things to be upset about.

99% of ROS' problems are TLJ's fault.
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Postby Dylar » Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:06 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:But the point is made. Think about it, maybe you could take 5, but more than that it starts to become a quantity over quality thing. Take the Mando. 1v1 he was whipping Jawa ass, pulling bitches out of windows and throwing them off cliffs. Got to the top and there were 15 at once. That’s when he lost.

Yeah...still not buying it. He's got weaponry, training, armor, etc. And lost to, I repeat for the umpteenth time now, JAWAS.

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Jawas: Little desert scavengers.

Yeah, totally comparable.

So, then, what're your thoughts on the Battle of Endor?
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:31 pm

Tarsonis wrote: Germans might have had the superior tanks in every way imaginable, but the Soviet’s had a shit ton more than they did.

No they didn't German tanks after the IV were hilariously unreliable and the Soviets had the upgraded T-34s, KV tanks, IS series, and more lesser known tanks that all out performed the Germans.
The only reason the late war German tanks looked good was because they were fighting a non-stop defensive war.
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Postby Andsed » Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:41 pm

Dylar wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Yeah...still not buying it. He's got weaponry, training, armor, etc. And lost to, I repeat for the umpteenth time now, JAWAS.


Yoda: Centuries old Jedi master.
Jawas: Little desert scavengers.

Yeah, totally comparable.

So, then, what're your thoughts on the Battle of Endor?

The battle of Endor was actually kind of dumb though. I mean the empire had legions or fully armed stormtroopers, a massive fleet and the second Death Star. The Rebels should have been wiped out and really only won through plot armor.

Also speaking of the Empire I really like how Fallen Order while showing it as the evil oppressive force that it was, humanizes many of the stormtroopers. Kinda makes me feel bad for killing them.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:45 pm

Andsed wrote:The battle of Endor was actually kind of dumb though. I mean the empire had legions or fully armed stormtroopers, a massive fleet and the second Death Star. The Rebels should have been wiped out and really only won through plot armor.

Pretty much.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:47 pm

Andsed wrote:
Dylar wrote:So, then, what're your thoughts on the Battle of Endor?

The battle of Endor was actually kind of dumb though. I mean the empire had legions or fully armed stormtroopers, a massive fleet and the second Death Star. The Rebels should have been wiped out and really only won through plot armor.

Also speaking of the Empire I really like how Fallen Order while showing it as the evil oppressive force that it was, humanizes many of the stormtroopers. Kinda makes me feel bad for killing them.

The Imperial training program was notoriously bad at encouraging skill and discipline and more focused on emphasizing ruthlessness at the expense of your comrades. They had a very 'sith academy' mindset.

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Postby Jolthig » Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:06 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Andsed wrote:The battle of Endor was actually kind of dumb though. I mean the empire had legions or fully armed stormtroopers, a massive fleet and the second Death Star. The Rebels should have been wiped out and really only won through plot armor.

Also speaking of the Empire I really like how Fallen Order while showing it as the evil oppressive force that it was, humanizes many of the stormtroopers. Kinda makes me feel bad for killing them.

The Imperial training program was notoriously bad at encouraging skill and discipline and more focused on emphasizing ruthlessness at the expense of your comrades. They had a very 'sith academy' mindset.

No wonder why Han Solo was better shooter than them, and he was a former Imperial officer.
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Postby Aeritai » Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:11 pm

Empire could've won if they didn't put weak spots on their super weapons, at least with the First Death Star, Rogue One explains why the weak spot is there.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:40 pm

Aeritai wrote:Empire could've won if they didn't put weak spots on their super weapons, at least with the First Death Star, Rogue One explains why the weak spot is there.

Empire could've won if they didn't waste so much manpower and resources BUILDING super weapons and relied on a more flexible navy.

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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:54 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Genivaria wrote:The Imperial training program was notoriously bad at encouraging skill and discipline and more focused on emphasizing ruthlessness at the expense of your comrades. They had a very 'sith academy' mindset.

No wonder why Han Solo was better shooter than them, and he was a former Imperial officer.

Generation Tech has done a good job in analyzing the difference in tactics and training of the Clone Troopers, Imperial Storm Troopers, and First Order Storm Troopers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKHAnVnt-3A

Basically the Imps were a major step down from the Clone Troopers and FO Troopers were an attempt to harken back to the skill of the Clone Troopers through taking children and training them from birth.
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Postby Alvecia » Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:57 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:
I didnt like it, but im not gona get too worked up over Reylo being confirmed, would have preferred if they didnt kiss, think it would have been a better scene but eh

I've been vehemently against it for 5 years, of course I'm getting upset about it.

Upside:
he died

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Postby Ameriganastan » Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:58 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Jolthig wrote:No wonder why Han Solo was better shooter than them, and he was a former Imperial officer.

Generation Tech has done a good job in analyzing the difference in tactics and training of the Clone Troopers, Imperial Storm Troopers, and First Order Storm Troopers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKHAnVnt-3A

I like that channel.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:03 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Generation Tech has done a good job in analyzing the difference in tactics and training of the Clone Troopers, Imperial Storm Troopers, and First Order Storm Troopers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKHAnVnt-3A

I like that channel.

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Postby Ameriganastan » Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:07 pm

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Ameriganastan wrote:I like that channel.

So do I, #Humanity First.

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Postby Lord Dominator » Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:18 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:I've been vehemently against it for 5 years, of course I'm getting upset about it.

Shipping rage is the most pointless of fandom rage. I mean it's fictional characters hooking up. Not the end of the world.

the frequency of shipping rage in like every Fandom ever would suggest it is
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Postby Ameriganastan » Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:20 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:the frequency of shipping rage in like every Fandom ever would suggest it is

Lord, don't I know it. Some of the messages I've gotten for writing a certain pairing. People be crazy.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:22 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:the frequency of shipping rage in like every Fandom ever would suggest it is

Lord, don't I know it. Some of the messages I've gotten for writing a certain pairing. People be crazy.

That they be

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Postby Myrensis » Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:58 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Andsed wrote:I mean it was a pretty minor thing in the movie. A lot bigger things to be upset about.

99% of ROS' problems are TLJ's fault.


I loathe TLJ as much as the next man, but the root of the entire ST's problems are, aside from Disney not having a clue what to do with it, largely with JJ Abrams.

He did his typical 'mystery box' thing in TFA (read: set up a bunch of 'mysteries' without having a solid answer to what their resolutions were himself), then CHOSE not to direct or write the following movies, or even to take on some kind of supervising/creative oversight role, thus leaving Johnson free to just toss his half-baked mysteries out and do what he wanted. Which then of course meant he had to "fix" things when got roped into coming back for IX after Trevorrow got the boot.

Abrams and Johnson were both pretty much terrible choices for the ST. Abrams only talent is repackaging the work of other more talented people, and Johnson is way to fixated on sUbVerTinG ExPecTatIonS regardless of whether it makes sense or is narratively satisfying or works in the context of the middle movie of a trilogy.

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Andsed wrote:The battle of Endor was actually kind of dumb though. I mean the empire had legions or fully armed stormtroopers, a massive fleet and the second Death Star. The Rebels should have been wiped out and really only won through plot armor.

Also speaking of the Empire I really like how Fallen Order while showing it as the evil oppressive force that it was, humanizes many of the stormtroopers. Kinda makes me feel bad for killing them.

The Imperial training program was notoriously bad at encouraging skill and discipline and more focused on emphasizing ruthlessness at the expense of your comrades. They had a very 'sith academy' mindset.


Yeah, no. Even accepting that as true, which would explain a lot, there is no excuse for Endor. We saw the Ewoks: short, stubby, clumsy teddy bears. We saw their weapons: crappy bows and slings. We saw their tactics: None, aside from that one log trap. Regardless of how screwed up Stormtrooper training is there is no way they should have lost on Endor.

Give me a single platoon of modern Infantry and I'll hold the bunker on Endor and render the Ewoks extinct while I'm at it. :p

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Postby Kowani » Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:19 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Aeritai wrote:Empire could've won if they didn't put weak spots on their super weapons, at least with the First Death Star, Rogue One explains why the weak spot is there.

Empire could've won if they didn't waste so much manpower and resources BUILDING super weapons and relied on a more flexible navy.

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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:03 am

Alvecia wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:I've been vehemently against it for 5 years, of course I'm getting upset about it.

Upside:
he died

He should have died when Rey stabbed him giving her real reason to almost go full darkside. Then he shows up as a force ghost or something and tells her not to do it, that Palpatine is a manipulative shit and that he is using her. Have him tell her that despite all their mutual anger and constant battles that she was the only person he could relate to, the only one he could consider a friend (like figure). Tell her that he chose poorly and that she can still turn away from darkness, turn away from Palpatine's lies.
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Postby Tarsonis » Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:13 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Upside:
he died

He should have died when Rey stabbed him giving her real reason to almost go full darkside. Then he shows up as a force ghost or something and tells her not to do it, that Palpatine is a manipulative shit and that he is using her. Have him tell her that despite all their mutual anger and constant battles that she was the only person he could relate to, the only one he could consider a friend (like figure). Tell her that he chose poorly and that she can still turn away from darkness, turn away from Palpatine's lies.


Problem being that force ghost is typically the realm of the Jedi. If he dies before his redemption arc, no blue halo
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:46 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:
He should have died when Rey stabbed him giving her real reason to almost go full darkside. Then he shows up as a force ghost or something and tells her not to do it, that Palpatine is a manipulative shit and that he is using her. Have him tell her that despite all their mutual anger and constant battles that she was the only person he could relate to, the only one he could consider a friend (like figure). Tell her that he chose poorly and that she can still turn away from darkness, turn away from Palpatine's lies.


Problem being that force ghost is typically the realm of the Jedi. If he dies before his redemption arc, no blue halo


Not just "typically". It's a hard and fast rule in this canon that Sith can't be Force Ghosts.
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Postby Alvecia » Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:50 am

Vassenor wrote:
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Problem being that force ghost is typically the realm of the Jedi. If he dies before his redemption arc, no blue halo


Not just "typically". It's a hard and fast rule in this canon that Sith can't be Force Ghosts.

If so, I don't think Anakin should ever have Ghosted. He did too much evil shit for a backstab and a sappy heart to heart with his kid to be enough to redeem.

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