Star Wars: The Force Shall Free Us All

[New haven america]

I would normally say that anything that retcons TLJ is good, but a time travel plot may be the one thing to make me pause.

Though there is obviously going to have to be a lot of bullshit handwaving to get from the dead end TLJ left the story in, with the 'Resistance' being reduced to 10 people and the Millenium Falcon, to the apparent fleets and armies they're going to have in the new one.

And between the fact that it's JJ Abrams and the hardcore leaning on OT nostalgia they're doing (when I saw the first trailer I thought it was a joke or a fan edit), I expect it's essentially going to be a rehash of Return of the Jedi in any case.

I don't see how they could. They already copied the Endor subplot, with Han leading a strike team to disable the shields of a planet destroying weapon, back in TFA, and the whole throne room scene was copied in TLJ. The only parts left untouched are the Ewoks and the rescue of Han from Jabba. And it'd be hard enough to fit one of those into a movie whose predecessors have not set up either, nevermind both of them. I expect a lot of similarities to RotJ, but I just don't see how RoS could be to RotJ what TFA was to ANH.

Oh, it'll be more than just RotJ, it'll be the entire trilogy.

The ST gang will be going on time travel adventures throughout all the OT and learn skills and techniques from Luke and Leia. Why do you think Luke threw away his lightsaber in TLJ? Because he's already trained Rey before and knows what's going to happen, it's all happened before...

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I would normally say that anything that retcons TLJ is good, but a time travel plot may be the one thing to make me pause.

Though there is obviously going to have to be a lot of bullshit handwaving to get from the dead end TLJ left the story in, with the 'Resistance' being reduced to 10 people and the Millenium Falcon, to the apparent fleets and armies they're going to have in the new one.

And between the fact that it's JJ Abrams and the hardcore leaning on OT nostalgia they're doing (when I saw the first trailer I thought it was a joke or a fan edit), I expect it's essentially going to be a rehash of Return of the Jedi in any case.

I don't see how they could. They already copied the Endor subplot, with Han leading a strike team to disable the shields of a planet destroying weapon, back in TFA, and the whole throne room scene was copied in TLJ. The only parts left untouched are the Ewoks and the rescue of Han from Jabba. And it'd be hard enough to fit one of those into a movie whose predecessors have not set up either, nevermind both of them. I expect a lot of similarities to RotJ, but I just don't see how RoS could be to RotJ what TFA was to ANH.

The throne room scene was copied in the sense that there was a throne room holding the primary and secondary antagonist and one of the protagonists. For the rest it is different.

Or did I forget the part where Vader and Luke mowed down imperial guards, only for Vader to take on the mantle of emperor?

[Ism]

I don't see how they could. They already copied the Endor subplot, with Han leading a strike team to disable the shields of a planet destroying weapon, back in TFA, and the whole throne room scene was copied in TLJ. The only parts left untouched are the Ewoks and the rescue of Han from Jabba. And it'd be hard enough to fit one of those into a movie whose predecessors have not set up either, nevermind both of them. I expect a lot of similarities to RotJ, but I just don't see how RoS could be to RotJ what TFA was to ANH.

The throne room scene was copied in the sense that there was a throne room holding the primary and secondary antagonist and one of the protagonists. For the rest it is different.

Or did I forget the part where Vader and Luke mowed down imperial guards, only for Vader to take on the mantle of emperor?

The throne room was very clearly modeled after the Emperor's throne room from RotJ, just like Snoke's guards are clearly based on Palpatine's, Kylo Ren kills Snoke because of his connection to Rey, just as Anakin killed Palpatine do to his connection to Luke, Snoke removed Rey's restraints just like the Emperor did (literally in the same way, it might have been a shot for shot remake) and Snoke forces Rey to watch as the Rebel Fleet Resistance shuttles are destroyed by the Empire First Order. The first two are hardly surprising, given copying the Empire is basically the First Order's modus operandi when it comes to aesthetics, albeit with more red and black. Those last two though are particularly egregious, as they make far, far less sense in TLJ, where Snoke just wants to find out where Luke is and then kill Rey, then they do in RotJ, where Palpatine is trying to corrupt Luke and turn him into his new apprentice. Mind you, that's all off the top of my head, I wouldn't be surprised if there are more similarities I just can't recall at the moment.

As for your question, it's misguided at best. Just because the battle between Dooku and Anakin and Obi-Wan in RotS includes a third participant doesn't mean that whole scene doesn't mirror the throne room scene in RotJ. These scenes can be different in some respects, while still clearly having strong similarities, to the point of outright copying in some cases.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Palp's throne (or what i assume is his throne) in the new trailer is modelled after one of ralph mcquarrie sketches for ROTJ

Kind of neat as i love his artwork and its not a bad design.

[Bralia]

Here is the trailer in case anyone hasnt seen:

I liked it, decent enough trailer, though i have no idea what they are doing in the movie still.

Am I the only one who thought Solo was actually the best Star Wars movie since ROTJ?

Rogue one for me.

Finally got around to having a look at the trailer . . . does Palpatine not remember what happened last time when he allowed his enemies to "come together"?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Here is the trailer in case anyone hasnt seen:

I liked it, decent enough trailer, though i have no idea what they are doing in the movie still.


Rogue one for me.

Finally got around to having a look at the trailer . . . does Palpatine not remember what happened last time when he allowed his enemies to "come together"?

Yeah but this time instead of having a big ball he has a fleet of doom Doritos.


It will be grand.


Also im near certain all those ISD's have big fuck off canons underneath them, i guess they based on that old EU destroyer which had a death star dish mounted on its hull, or they are based on the dreadnought from TLJ.

[Alvecia]

Finally got around to having a look at the trailer . . . does Palpatine not remember what happened last time when he allowed his enemies to "come together"?

Yeah but this time instead of having a big ball he has a fleet of doom Doritos.


It will be grand.


Also im near certain all those ISD's have big fuck off canons underneath them, i guess they based on that old EU destroyer which had a death star dish mounted on its hull, or they are based on the dreadnought from TLJ.

Maybe the dreadnought from TLJ is based off prototype designs for the cannon-ISD's.

Wonder if it's Death Star tech in them there lasers.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yeah but this time instead of having a big ball he has a fleet of doom Doritos.


It will be grand.


Also im near certain all those ISD's have big fuck off canons underneath them, i guess they based on that old EU destroyer which had a death star dish mounted on its hull, or they are based on the dreadnought from TLJ.

Maybe the dreadnought from TLJ is based off prototype designs for the cannon-ISD's.

Wonder if it's Death Star tech in them there lasers.

In the last trailer before this one you see what looks like red shots impacting into a planet of some type, and the Dreadnoughts cannons fired red blasts so im assuming their weapons are kind of connected in their development.

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

Am I the only one that doesn't accept this story line!?

1)Re watch the Return of the Jedi and slow it down during the death star explosion. Not one friggin piece can be seen anywhere on the screen!!! The only thing one can see is that the empire was the number one producer of the galaxies Sugar supply.

2)This whole story arch doesn't make any sense !! To be granted the return of Lord Sidious while cool is just outrageous.... and its unfair!!!!
Everything Luke and Anakin suffered for was to kill this wrinkly old man and Disney just resurrected him with out even a single hint in the other movies. I could understand if they had heavy hints to the return of a dark lord and Kylo ren was visibly on a journey to resurrect Sidious. Yet we see no quest at all and kylo ren is only shown hunting down the rebellion resistance. It seems to me you would make a quest of this importance into a movie of its own... Star Wars Episode VIII A Dark Journey( ehh sounds too edgy but you get the point)

3) Why the hell didn't they just start with this movie first??! We didn't need to see "A New hope Part 2" and "Gotta kill everyone you love in one wimpy battle" . To be honest I would have loved if we were just dropped into the story at this point with the back story confined to books. I mean wouldn't it be acceptable if they just left our beloved hero's with their happy ending on Return of the jedi and just started this story after they're deaths? After all why would their be an immediate upheaval in the force if Skywalker literally just brought balance to it? I can imagine Anakin and Luke are just like "We just saved this galaxy, cant it stay saved for Five minutes!?!"

4) This is it?! Is this the end of this part of star wars before they make an entirely new saga that has nothing to do with the skywalker line? I mean i realize the skywalkers cant continue to be center stage in a galaxy that big and i can appreciate that. Yet im having touble over the concept of another family taking the mantle of star wars. I know im not the only one with a little uneasiness about that.


P.s on a side note is Jabba's son still canon? The last time we saw him was in that one episode during the clone wars.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Am I the only one that doesn't accept this story line!?

1)Re watch the Return of the Jedi and slow it down during the death star explosion. Not one friggin piece can be seen anywhere on the screen!!! The only thing one can see is that the empire was the number one producer of the galaxies Sugar supply.

2)This whole story arch doesn't make any sense !! To be granted the return of Lord Sidious while cool is just outrageous.... and its unfair!!!!
Everything Luke and Anakin suffered for was to kill this wrinkly old man and Disney just resurrected him with out even a single hint in the other movies. I could understand if they had heavy hints to the return of a dark lord and Kylo ren was visibly on a journey to resurrect Sidious. Yet we see no quest at all and kylo ren is only shown hunting down the rebellion resistance. It seems to me you would make a quest of this importance into a movie of its own... Star Wars Episode VIII A Dark Journey( ehh sounds too edgy but you get the point)

3) Why the hell didn't they just start with this movie first??! We didn't need to see "A New hope Part 2" and "Gotta kill everyone you love in one wimpy battle" . To be honest I would have loved if we were just dropped into the story at this point with the back story confined to books. I mean wouldn't it be acceptable if they just left our beloved hero's with their happy ending on Return of the jedi and just started this story after they're deaths? After all why would their be an immediate upheaval in the force if Skywalker literally just brought balance to it? I can imagine Anakin and Luke are just like "We just saved this galaxy, cant it stay saved for Five minutes!?!"

4) This is it?! Is this the end of this part of star wars before they make an entirely new saga that has nothing to do with the skywalker line? I mean i realize the skywalkers cant continue to be center stage in a galaxy that big and i can appreciate that. Yet im having touble over the concept of another family taking the mantle of star wars. I know im not the only one with a little uneasiness about that.


P.s on a side note is Jabba's son still canon? The last time we saw him was in that one episode during the clone wars.

1. Because that is the technology they had at the time for the explosion effect. It is highly probably that debris fell on Endor, also the Battlefront 2 campaign is canon and there is indeed debris in orbit.

2. Sidious is an incredibly powerful force user and came back in the old eu multiple times, and if his master supposedly learned how to cheat death, why not him? Also they approached this trilogy with no set plot for the three movies which was stupid.

3. See above.

4.Yes, after this movie there will be no more movies in the skywalker saga, its over, might be references to them in other stuff but i doubt they will show up in any more movies, which im actually glad about as i want more star wars stuff to be detached from the main saga.

Yes Jabba's son is canon, the clone wars show is canon.

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

Am I the only one that doesn't accept this story line!?

1)Re watch the Return of the Jedi and slow it down during the death star explosion. Not one friggin piece can be seen anywhere on the screen!!! The only thing one can see is that the empire was the number one producer of the galaxies Sugar supply.

2)This whole story arch doesn't make any sense !! To be granted the return of Lord Sidious while cool is just outrageous.... and its unfair!!!!
Everything Luke and Anakin suffered for was to kill this wrinkly old man and Disney just resurrected him with out even a single hint in the other movies. I could understand if they had heavy hints to the return of a dark lord and Kylo ren was visibly on a journey to resurrect Sidious. Yet we see no quest at all and kylo ren is only shown hunting down the rebellion resistance. It seems to me you would make a quest of this importance into a movie of its own... Star Wars Episode VIII A Dark Journey( ehh sounds too edgy but you get the point)

3) Why the hell didn't they just start with this movie first??! We didn't need to see "A New hope Part 2" and "Gotta kill everyone you love in one wimpy battle" . To be honest I would have loved if we were just dropped into the story at this point with the back story confined to books. I mean wouldn't it be acceptable if they just left our beloved hero's with their happy ending on Return of the jedi and just started this story after they're deaths? After all why would their be an immediate upheaval in the force if Skywalker literally just brought balance to it? I can imagine Anakin and Luke are just like "We just saved this galaxy, cant it stay saved for Five minutes!?!"

4) This is it?! Is this the end of this part of star wars before they make an entirely new saga that has nothing to do with the skywalker line? I mean i realize the skywalkers cant continue to be center stage in a galaxy that big and i can appreciate that. Yet im having touble over the concept of another family taking the mantle of star wars. I know im not the only one with a little uneasiness about that.


P.s on a side note is Jabba's son still canon? The last time we saw him was in that one episode during the clone wars.

1. Because that is the technology they had at the time for the explosion effect. It is highly probably that debris fell on Endor, also the Battlefront 2 campaign is canon and there is indeed debris in orbit.

2. Sidious is an incredibly powerful force user and came back in the old eu multiple times, and if his master supposedly learned how to cheat death, why not him? Also they approached this trilogy with no set plot for the three movies which was stupid.

3. See above.

4.Yes, after this movie there will be no more movies in the skywalker saga, its over, might be references to them in other stuff but i doubt they will show up in any more movies, which im actually glad about as i want more star wars stuff to be detached from the main saga.

Yes Jabba's son is canon, the clone wars show is canon.

Yeah see I felt like there wasn't an over arching story driving the narrative....It felt like each movie could almost stand on its own.
But the thing that ticks me off is the darth sidious thing. The force literally was balanced....they couldn't wait 100 years before it got unbalanced again? I imagine the force take a long time to get unbalanced. Just look at before the movie happen the jedi were literally keeping the whole galaxy in order then a short but aggressive 70 ish year period of complete chaos and then the emperor dies. Seems to me that the force would no longer cater to the dark side and ressurcting ones self would at least take a couple of generations. Hell if it was that simple then were is Plageuos and Malak ? Obviously resurrecting takes a lot of dark energy which shouldn't exist because the force was balanced….right?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Ask JJ abrams.

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

He blocked my calls man.
Apparently I was harassing him

[Lord Dominator]

Am I the only one who thought Solo was actually the best Star Wars movie since ROTJ?

Phineas and Ferb Star Wars
ahem
TLJ for me I do think

My only primary thoughts on the trailer are that I can't tell who/what the Power Couple are cutting with lightsabers, Palpatine seems to be fully physical (rather than Force Ghost), and some of those ISDs seem to be breaking out from ice/whatever (makes you wonder how long they've been there...).

[Fedel]

Trailer's what I expected, still disappointing that they didn't even allow you the illusion of not knowing what's going to happen.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Am I the only one who thought Solo was actually the best Star Wars movie since ROTJ?

Phineas and Ferb Star Wars
ahem
TLJ for me I do think

My only primary thoughts on the trailer are that I can't tell who/what the Power Couple are cutting with lightsabers, Palpatine seems to be fully physical (rather than Force Ghost), and some of those ISDs seem to be breaking out from ice/whatever (makes you wonder how long they've been there...).

probably special water, special shields, or some type of amniotic fluid for machines.

[New haven america]

Am I the only one who thought Solo was actually the best Star Wars movie since ROTJ?

Phineas and Ferb Star Wars
ahem
TLJ for me I do think

My only primary thoughts on the trailer are that I can't tell who/what the Power Couple are cutting with lightsabers, Palpatine seems to be fully physical (rather than Force Ghost), and some of those ISDs seem to be breaking out from ice/whatever (makes you wonder how long they've been there...).

Darth Vader's burnt suit, you can see half of his helmet flying towards the screen.

You know, the suit and ashes Kylo kept in his room in TFA.

[Myrensis]

Am I the only one that doesn't accept this story line!?

1)Re watch the Return of the Jedi and slow it down during the death star explosion. Not one friggin piece can be seen anywhere on the screen!!! The only thing one can see is that the empire was the number one producer of the galaxies Sugar supply.

2)This whole story arch doesn't make any sense !! To be granted the return of Lord Sidious while cool is just outrageous.... and its unfair!!!!
Everything Luke and Anakin suffered for was to kill this wrinkly old man and Disney just resurrected him with out even a single hint in the other movies. I could understand if they had heavy hints to the return of a dark lord and Kylo ren was visibly on a journey to resurrect Sidious. Yet we see no quest at all and kylo ren is only shown hunting down the rebellion resistance. It seems to me you would make a quest of this importance into a movie of its own... Star Wars Episode VIII A Dark Journey( ehh sounds too edgy but you get the point)

3) Why the hell didn't they just start with this movie first??! We didn't need to see "A New hope Part 2" and "Gotta kill everyone you love in one wimpy battle" . To be honest I would have loved if we were just dropped into the story at this point with the back story confined to books. I mean wouldn't it be acceptable if they just left our beloved hero's with their happy ending on Return of the jedi and just started this story after they're deaths? After all why would their be an immediate upheaval in the force if Skywalker literally just brought balance to it? I can imagine Anakin and Luke are just like "We just saved this galaxy, cant it stay saved for Five minutes!?!"

4) This is it?! Is this the end of this part of star wars before they make an entirely new saga that has nothing to do with the skywalker line? I mean i realize the skywalkers cant continue to be center stage in a galaxy that big and i can appreciate that. Yet im having touble over the concept of another family taking the mantle of star wars. I know im not the only one with a little uneasiness about that.


P.s on a side note is Jabba's son still canon? The last time we saw him was in that one episode during the clone wars.

My new personal theory is that Disney offered to buy Star Wars as a joke, and when Lucas said yes they were like, "Holy shit, we own Star Wars now...what do we do with it?"

And nobody had an actual answer, so they've been flailing around for the last several years and 4 movies letting people do whatever they want and just sort of hoping it would all work itself out somehow.

I mean, even if you're one of the degenerates who actually liked TLJ, you can't watch it and TFA and think "Yes, I can definitely see Disney's clear vision for the franchise and the detailed plan they have to make it happen."

[Ism]

Am I the only one that doesn't accept this story line!?

1)Re watch the Return of the Jedi and slow it down during the death star explosion. Not one friggin piece can be seen anywhere on the screen!!! The only thing one can see is that the empire was the number one producer of the galaxies Sugar supply.

2)This whole story arch doesn't make any sense !! To be granted the return of Lord Sidious while cool is just outrageous.... and its unfair!!!!
Everything Luke and Anakin suffered for was to kill this wrinkly old man and Disney just resurrected him with out even a single hint in the other movies. I could understand if they had heavy hints to the return of a dark lord and Kylo ren was visibly on a journey to resurrect Sidious. Yet we see no quest at all and kylo ren is only shown hunting down the rebellion resistance. It seems to me you would make a quest of this importance into a movie of its own... Star Wars Episode VIII A Dark Journey( ehh sounds too edgy but you get the point)

3) Why the hell didn't they just start with this movie first??! We didn't need to see "A New hope Part 2" and "Gotta kill everyone you love in one wimpy battle" . To be honest I would have loved if we were just dropped into the story at this point with the back story confined to books. I mean wouldn't it be acceptable if they just left our beloved hero's with their happy ending on Return of the jedi and just started this story after they're deaths? After all why would their be an immediate upheaval in the force if Skywalker literally just brought balance to it? I can imagine Anakin and Luke are just like "We just saved this galaxy, cant it stay saved for Five minutes!?!"

4) This is it?! Is this the end of this part of star wars before they make an entirely new saga that has nothing to do with the skywalker line? I mean i realize the skywalkers cant continue to be center stage in a galaxy that big and i can appreciate that. Yet im having touble over the concept of another family taking the mantle of star wars. I know im not the only one with a little uneasiness about that.


P.s on a side note is Jabba's son still canon? The last time we saw him was in that one episode during the clone wars.

My new personal theory is that Disney offered to buy Star Wars as a joke, and when Lucas said yes they were like, "Holy shit, we own Star Wars now...what do we do with it?"

And nobody had an actual answer, so they've been flailing around for the last several years and 4 movies letting people do whatever they want and just sort of hoping it would all work itself out somehow.

I mean, even if you're one of the degenerates who actually liked TLJ, you can't watch it and TFA and think "Yes, I can definitely see Disney's clear vision for the franchise and the detailed plan they have to make it happen."

Whoa, ease up there buddy.

[New haven america]

Am I the only one that doesn't accept this story line!?

1)Re watch the Return of the Jedi and slow it down during the death star explosion. Not one friggin piece can be seen anywhere on the screen!!! The only thing one can see is that the empire was the number one producer of the galaxies Sugar supply.

2)This whole story arch doesn't make any sense !! To be granted the return of Lord Sidious while cool is just outrageous.... and its unfair!!!!
Everything Luke and Anakin suffered for was to kill this wrinkly old man and Disney just resurrected him with out even a single hint in the other movies. I could understand if they had heavy hints to the return of a dark lord and Kylo ren was visibly on a journey to resurrect Sidious. Yet we see no quest at all and kylo ren is only shown hunting down the rebellion resistance. It seems to me you would make a quest of this importance into a movie of its own... Star Wars Episode VIII A Dark Journey( ehh sounds too edgy but you get the point)

3) Why the hell didn't they just start with this movie first??! We didn't need to see "A New hope Part 2" and "Gotta kill everyone you love in one wimpy battle" . To be honest I would have loved if we were just dropped into the story at this point with the back story confined to books. I mean wouldn't it be acceptable if they just left our beloved hero's with their happy ending on Return of the jedi and just started this story after they're deaths? After all why would their be an immediate upheaval in the force if Skywalker literally just brought balance to it? I can imagine Anakin and Luke are just like "We just saved this galaxy, cant it stay saved for Five minutes!?!"

4) This is it?! Is this the end of this part of star wars before they make an entirely new saga that has nothing to do with the skywalker line? I mean i realize the skywalkers cant continue to be center stage in a galaxy that big and i can appreciate that. Yet im having touble over the concept of another family taking the mantle of star wars. I know im not the only one with a little uneasiness about that.


P.s on a side note is Jabba's son still canon? The last time we saw him was in that one episode during the clone wars.

My new personal theory is that Disney offered to buy Star Wars as a joke, and when Lucas said yes they were like, "Holy shit, we own Star Wars now...what do we do with it?"

And nobody had an actual answer, so they've been flailing around for the last several years and 4 movies letting people do whatever they want and just sort of hoping it would all work itself out somehow.

I mean, even if you're one of the degenerates who actually liked TLJ, you can't watch it and TFA and think "Yes, I can definitely see Disney's clear vision for the franchise and the detailed plan they have to make it happen."

That's also because they decided to treat the franchise like Marvel and have a bunch of spinoffs and companion pieces/series being released every single bloody year which would all be under different directors and writers. Which is a dumb idea, and they're seeing why. (Like Solo barely breaking even)

Now if I had Star Wars and the funds to do whatever I wanted with it, I'd make so much shit. I probably would do something like the ST and explore the galaxy after RotJ like the EU did (But actually have it be under consistent writers/directors/producers), have a movies/series set 1000 years in the futures, explore the Old Republic through shows, make tons and tons of games (Tactical games, RPG's, fighting games, games like Ace Combat, sequels to things like Republic Commandoes and Battlefront), use the money I get from SW to force CBS an Paramount to sell me the rights to Star Trek and make actually good Star Trek shows, etc...

[Fedel]

My new personal theory is that Disney offered to buy Star Wars as a joke, and when Lucas said yes they were like, "Holy shit, we own Star Wars now...what do we do with it?"

And nobody had an actual answer, so they've been flailing around for the last several years and 4 movies letting people do whatever they want and just sort of hoping it would all work itself out somehow.

I mean, even if you're one of the degenerates who actually liked TLJ, you can't watch it and TFA and think "Yes, I can definitely see Disney's clear vision for the franchise and the detailed plan they have to make it happen."

Whoa, ease up there buddy.

It obviously wasn't serious...

[Lord Dominator]

Phineas and Ferb Star Wars
ahem
TLJ for me I do think

My only primary thoughts on the trailer are that I can't tell who/what the Power Couple are cutting with lightsabers, Palpatine seems to be fully physical (rather than Force Ghost), and some of those ISDs seem to be breaking out from ice/whatever (makes you wonder how long they've been there...).

probably special water, special shields, or some type of amniotic fluid for machines.

No, I said how long, not how they've been down there

Phineas and Ferb Star Wars
ahem
TLJ for me I do think

My only primary thoughts on the trailer are that I can't tell who/what the Power Couple are cutting with lightsabers, Palpatine seems to be fully physical (rather than Force Ghost), and some of those ISDs seem to be breaking out from ice/whatever (makes you wonder how long they've been there...).

Darth Vader's burnt suit, you can see half of his helmet flying towards the screen.

You know, the suit and ashes Kylo kept in his room in TFA.

Okay, that makes sense, kinda figured it was something else (weird thing to need double lightsaber destruction though)

I mean, even if you're one of the degenerates who actually liked TLJ, you can't watch it and TFA and think "Yes, I can definitely see Disney's clear vision for the franchise and the detailed plan they have to make it happen."

One rude, but two I can indeed the lack of central planning.

Which is a dumb idea, and they're seeing why. (Like Solo barely breaking even)

Eh, I think it has more to with a lack of apparent central planning than frequency of movies I think

[Impaled Nazarene]

probably special water, special shields, or some type of amniotic fluid for machines.

No, I said how long, not how they've been down there

That's exactly what I mean. They've been down there decades no doubt. It would have to be one of the 3 things i mentioned for them to not rot or something.

[Myrensis]

That's also because they decided to treat the franchise like Marvel and have a bunch of spinoffs and companion pieces/series being released every single bloody year which would all be under different directors and writers. Which is a dumb idea, and they're seeing why. (Like Solo barely breaking even)

Yet it works for Marvel.

The problem is that Disney decided to go with only half the Marvel model. Specifically, they opted for the 'multiple movies and spinoffs' part, but not the 'have an actual plan and somebody overseeing things to make sure the plan is followed' part.

Solo being a great example. The movie was almost finished under Lord and Miller before anyone higher up at Disney actually looked at it and then went , "Hey, wait a minute, we don't like this at all...we're firing you and bringing in a new director to reshoot and rewrite half the movie!", which worked out about as well as could be expected.

[Lord Dominator]

No, I said how long, not how they've been down there

That's exactly what I mean. They've been down there decades no doubt. It would have to be one of the 3 things i mentioned for them to not rot or something.

I lack a facepalm emoji, but I'm meaning is that I was solely wondering about the actual length of time, not whatever justification they have for it, since the actual length seems more likely to be relevant