Star Wars: The Force Shall Free Us All

[Valrifell]

Honestly my main issue with TLJ and really the new trilogy as a whole is that it has really done nothing new or creative with the Star Wars universe. I mean the prequels at least gave us new insight on the Jedi order and the politics of the republic and had a lot of pretty interesting story ideas that were just done poorly. The new movies have not really given us any new or interesting stories or gave us any new insight on the universe.

The fact is, Disney has had Star Wars for nearly a decade now and we still barely no anything about how the galaxy has gotten to the point it did in the sequels. That's my main issue with it.

They're trying so hard to retain this air of mystery because the truth is, they don't have any answers to the questions they keep introducing.

Disney hasn't been taking any risks, so they probably directed their production to make it as similar to the OG trilogy as possible, throwing in some "neat" twists.

[Valrifell]

To clarify, they actually invaded on Sidious's order with that only being their pretense for blockading Naboo in the first place. This was done so that Palpatine could initiate the "vote of no confidence" in Chancellor Valorum and use the fact that he appeared as the intelligent, kind an well spoken senator of a planet that was being held hostage in order to become Chancellor.



Honestly would've thought it would've been really interesting if Rey decided to join Kylo and actually make a better galaxy but whatever... *Shrug*

Exactly! I refuse to believe that Kylo is the bad guy of TLJ, he has the most development and progression out of any character in that movie, he accepts that there's more to the force and galaxy than just the dark side and power, he wants to acknowledge and rectify the mistakes of the past that both the Jedi and Sith have caused, etc...

And then in the past 15 minutes he just decides to kill all of The Resistance and rule the galaxy as the Fist Order because Rey decided that everything must stay as he status quo demands.

It could've been more thematically appropriate, too, with the whole "learn from the past and try not to repeat it" theme they kinda had going on there.

[Loben The 2nd]

Exactly! I refuse to believe that Kylo is the bad guy of TLJ, he has the most development and progression out of any character in that movie, he accepts that there's more to the force and galaxy than just the dark side and power, he wants to acknowledge and rectify the mistakes of the past that both the Jedi and Sith have caused, etc...

And then in the past 15 minutes he just decides to kill all of The Resistance and rule the galaxy as the Fist Order because Rey decided that everything must stay as he status quo demands.

It could've been more thematically appropriate, too, with the whole "learn from the past and try not to repeat it" theme they kinda had going on there.

i guess they are more interested in making a movie out of the dark empire series.

which while not bad source material, even THAT was a bit much.

[New haven america]

It could've been more thematically appropriate, too, with the whole "learn from the past and try not to repeat it" theme they kinda had going on there.

i guess they are more interested in making a movie out of the dark empire series.

which while not bad source material, even THAT was a bit much.

Episode IX is actually based off of the original script treatment Lucas made, where there are force ghosts of Palpatine and Vader running about and they go to the Death Star II ruins, which was a major plot point in the treatments.

JJ had to do something after Rian fucked up his money mystery box story, so it looks like he went scrounging through the trash and was able to find the treatments him and Disney threw out.

[Loben The 2nd]

i guess they are more interested in making a movie out of the dark empire series.

which while not bad source material, even THAT was a bit much.

Episode IX is actually based off of the original script treatment Lucas made, where there are force ghosts of Palpatine and Vader running about and they go to the Death Star II ruins, which was a major plot point in the treatments.

JJ had to do something after Rian fucked up his money mystery box story, so it looks like he went scrounging through the trash and was able to find the treatments him and Disney threw out.

i quite liked TFA, all things considered.

[Ism]

I don't understand, and I never have understood, this interest in the character of Kylo Ren. He's an impulsive, cruel, power-hungry, spiteful, self-serving ass, with half-baked ideas and delusions of grandeur. The idea that Rey should have joined him is laughable, given that their entire relationship consists of him abusing and manipulating her. And I really can't think of a single redeeming quality in him. At every opportunity he's chosen the Dark Side, his own desires and ambitions, whatever cost others have to pay, and he only once shows any remorse for his actions. And that was only because he'd just murdered his father in cold blood, thinking it would make him more powerful, and it didn't. He's basically Darth Malak, actually, but with a less developed backstory. And a little less hammy, I guess.

[The first Galactic Republic]

God, this thread. Some of you could be substituted with Markov chain generated bots and the discussion wouldn’t deviate much from the norm.

I do agree that the sequel trilogy’s setting is horribly underdeveloped, but I think the movies are decent. Strange that I enjoy the films on their own while finding the overarching story to be flawed. Weak writing but good filmmaking, I guess? I remain excited for IX.

And I forgot to mention this earlier, but Bralia also inspired a KOTOR run on my end. The game holds up amazingly well.

[Fedel]

I don't understand, and I never have understood, this interest in the character of Kylo Ren. He's an impulsive, cruel, power-hungry, spiteful, self-serving ass, with half-baked ideas and delusions of grandeur. The idea that Rey should have joined him is laughable, given that their entire relationship consists of him abusing and manipulating her. And I really can't think of a single redeeming quality in him. At every opportunity he's chosen the Dark Side, his own desires and ambitions, whatever cost others have to pay, and he only once shows any remorse for his actions. And that was only because he'd just murdered his father in cold blood, thinking it would make him more powerful, and it didn't. He's basically Darth Malak, actually, but with a less developed backstory. And a little less hammy, I guess.

True but Rey learns that Kylo's essentially been manipulated by Snoke to be what he currently is. With him gone, it would have been interesting to see Rey attempt to coax him out of the darkness by taking his offer and attempting to steer the First Order in a better direction. I mean, the alternative is trying to fight a galaxy spanning faction with a few guerrilla bands which is even more silly.

[Fedel]

God, this thread. Some of you could be substituted with Markov chain generated bots and the discussion wouldn’t deviate much from the norm.

Considering you've said something similar half a dozen times I guess that could apply to you as well.

[The first Galactic Republic]

I’ve crafted an insecurity detecting comment, you see. Feeling that it targets you only betrays how you really feel about your own posting patterns.

Feel free to let me know if I’m ever on a hair trigger for the same two year old arguments. It’s a relevant concern because the thread kind of broke the last time a trilogy movie came out, if anyone remembers.

[Bralia]

And I forgot to mention this earlier, but Bralia also inspired a KOTOR run on my end. The game holds up amazingly well.

Let it be known that it was my own surprise at seeing how well it held up that inspired me to play. All inspiration can be traced back to a Michael A. L. Fox.

[The first Galactic Republic]

And I forgot to mention this earlier, but Bralia also inspired a KOTOR run on my end. The game holds up amazingly well.

Let it be known that it was my own surprise at seeing how well it held up that inspired me to play. All inspiration can be traced back to a Michael A. L. Fox.

It also kind of wants to make me get into SWTOR again. The game is pretty generous with XP boosts now, so you can treat it like an RPG in that you can skip most MMO stuff and just power level through the campaign for the class stories.

Shame about KOTOR II. Restored content mod does help, but it’s still poorly done in parts.

[Pax Nerdvana]

I’ve crafted an insecurity detecting comment, you see. Feeling that it targets you only betrays how you really feel about your own posting patterns.

Feel free to let me know if I’m ever on a hair trigger for the same two year old arguments. It’s a relevant concern because the thread kind of broke the last time a trilogy movie came out, if anyone remembers.

Are you talking about the time we had two Star Wars threads?

[Demokratyczna Polska]

Dead horse, I know, but...
Is it just me or did every piece of comedy in TLJ fall absolutely flat and seem incredibly out of place?

[Demokratyczna Polska]

Honestly my main issue with TLJ and really the new trilogy as a whole is that it has really done nothing new or creative with the Star Wars universe. I mean the prequels at least gave us new insight on the Jedi order and the politics of the republic and had a lot of pretty interesting story ideas that were just done poorly. The new movies have not really given us any new or interesting stories or gave us any new insight on the universe.

There was a lot that could've been done with the New Republic imo. It could've reversed the dynamic of the running rebels vs the ever-powerful empire. TFA could've taken the franchise in a completely new direction and showed the New Republic waging a war to root out all remnants of the Empire, with internal politics slowing it down (Could've provided actual room for social commentary, unlike the pathetic Casino debacle in TLJ)

TLJ, for all its "subverting expectations," ultimately brought us back to the beginning and nothing accomplished in the movie really mattered.
What actually happened in TLJ:
Luke died
"MY PRECIOUS!" Emperor died
The Rebels are now running away from the big bad First Order/Empire, just like they were in the beginning of the movie.

Ironic?

[Bralia]

Pre-emptively downloading TSLRCM and the M4-78 mods. Exile from the Jedi Order is anticipated in two days.

[Ism]

Pre-emptively downloading TSLRCM and the M4-78 mods. Exile from the Jedi Order is anticipated in two days.

I just realized how similar your name is to Bralor. Huh.

[Fedel]

I’ve crafted an insecurity detecting comment, you see. Feeling that it targets you only betrays how you really feel about your own posting patterns.

Feel free to let me know if I’m ever on a hair trigger for the same two year old arguments. It’s a relevant concern because the thread kind of broke the last time a trilogy movie came out, if anyone remembers.

Didn’t feel the comment was targeting me or, that if it was, that it didn’t have any sort of validity to it. Only pointing out potential hypocrisy.

Just did but I’m happy to continue to do so for you.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Pre-emptively downloading TSLRCM and the M4-78 mods. Exile from the Jedi Order is anticipated in two days.

Be careful M4-78 might still break on occasion when you go into the torture room on Korriban. Vash's corpse won't spawn but you won't trigger the M4-78 planet and the game will be impossible to complete.

[Bralia]

Pre-emptively downloading TSLRCM and the M4-78 mods. Exile from the Jedi Order is anticipated in two days.

Be careful M4-78 might still break on occasion when you go into the torture room on Korriban. Vash's corpse won't spawn but you won't trigger the M4-78 planet and the game will be impossible to complete.

I think that's fixed. There's a patchnote in the 3.4 update that implies it, at least.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Be careful M4-78 might still break on occasion when you go into the torture room on Korriban. Vash's corpse won't spawn but you won't trigger the M4-78 planet and the game will be impossible to complete.

I think that's fixed. There's a patchnote in the 3.4 update that implies it, at least.

Another thing I forgot from earlier.

Can’t speak for anyone else, but one design choice that bothered me about KOTOR II is that there are times where the Exile is unavailable and you’re randomly made to play as one of your companions without warning. You can be stuck for awhile if you don’t have that character properly geared.

Thought you might want to know since it surprised me on my restored content mod runthrough. KOTOR never did anything like that except for when you’re captured on the Sith warship, and the game let you choose which companion you wanted to rely on there.

[Bralia]

All hail Lord Revan.

[Bralia]

All right, I've completed the character creation for my first KotOR 2 character. As much as I wanted to do the Jedi Jump style character the justice it deserves (Guardian -> Watchman), I really want to do the thing where I fix T3-M4 because, like HK-47 in the first game, I've never finished T3's life story. And playing as a Jedi Guardian just doesn't mesh well with getting that done.

I have no idea what I'm going to do for a prestige class, but I'm going to start as a Sentinel and just figure things out on the fly.

[Ism]

All right, I've completed the character creation for my first KotOR 2 character. As much as I wanted to do the Jedi Jump style character the justice it deserves (Guardian -> Watchman), I really want to do the thing where I fix T3-M4 because, like HK-47 in the first game, I've never finished T3's life story. And playing as a Jedi Guardian just doesn't mesh well with getting that done.

I have no idea what I'm going to do for a prestige class, but I'm going to start as a Sentinel and just figure things out on the fly.

Well, Kotor 2 lets you get feats that turn cross-class skills to class skills, so if you're willing to give up an extra feat point, (since as I recall, Sentinels only get computer use, not repair, so you'd have to get one of those feats anyway), you could still play as your beloved jumpy Jedi. You'd just have to save up on skill points until you get the second feat, and you'll have to ignore most of your actual class skills due to guardian's having poor skill progression.

[Bralia]

All right, I've completed the character creation for my first KotOR 2 character. As much as I wanted to do the Jedi Jump style character the justice it deserves (Guardian -> Watchman), I really want to do the thing where I fix T3-M4 because, like HK-47 in the first game, I've never finished T3's life story. And playing as a Jedi Guardian just doesn't mesh well with getting that done.

I have no idea what I'm going to do for a prestige class, but I'm going to start as a Sentinel and just figure things out on the fly.

Well, Kotor 2 lets you get feats that turn cross-class skills to class skills, so if you're willing to give up an extra feat point, (since as I recall, Sentinels only get computer use, not repair, so you'd have to get one of those feats anyway), you could still play as your beloved jumpy Jedi. You'd just have to save up on skill points until you get the second feat, and you'll have to ignore most of your actual class skills due to guardian's having poor skill progression.

I did see that and was tempted, but it just didn't seem worth it considering that the Guardian is so bad at skill progression overall. I think what really sold my decision was that the idea of a jumpy build sounds so much better as a Dark Side build. The Sith Assassin seems to have even better stats than the Watchman.