Star Wars: The Force Shall Free Us All

[Impaled Nazarene]

I lost hope of the sequel trilogy within the first 20 minutes of TLJ. I'm a pretty hardcore star wars fan, even a prequel defender. The only reason why I'm seeing IX is to see what they actually do with it.

The Prequels are masterful works of arts by an amazing storyteller. Are they flawed? Yes, but those flaws don't outway their cultural value or the merit of their creator.

You give them way too much credit. They're very bad movies that are fun to watch and have amazing CGI and effects.

[Fedel]

The Prequels are masterful works of arts by an amazing storyteller. Are they flawed? Yes, but those flaws don't outway their cultural value or the merit of their creator.

You give them way too much movies. They're very bad movies that are fun to watch and have amazing CGI and effects.

I'd put it more like this: the prequels have great worldbuilding and a great story, they're just not executed all that well.

[Ameriganastan]

...Christ, were these companions always this annoying? I remember hating Mission, but the rest of these tools aren't winning any prizes either. Only tolerable one is the droid. And that's only cause he can't talk. I mean geez, you got:

"Whaaaaaa, I don't trust people!" (Carth)
Sanctimonious annoying Jedi
Agitating Wookie sounds
Mission.
Canderous McEdgelord.

Ugh.

[Ism]

...Christ, were these companions always this annoying? I remember hating Mission, but the rest of these tools aren't winning any prizes either. Only tolerable one is the droid. And that's only cause he can't talk. I mean geez, you got:

"Whaaaaaa, I don't trust people!" (Carth)
Sanctimonious annoying Jedi
Agitating Wookie sounds
Mission.
Canderous McEdgelord.

Ugh.

[Indo-Malaysia]

I heard there was a rumor of a droid factory in IX, anybody want to make bets on The Great Confederate Clappening?

WATCH THOSE WRIST ROCKETS

[The Huskar Social Union]

Had major deja vu reading this page....


I would love to see some droids in episode IX, that would be neat.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Canderous McEdgelord.

[HC Eredivisie]

New poster and footage revealed for the Rise of Skywalker.

Oh boy, they're teasing Palps even harder.

C-3PO with red eyes

That's not C-3PO...

[The Huskar Social Union]

New poster and footage revealed for the Rise of Skywalker.

Oh boy, they're teasing Palps even harder.

C-3PO with red eyes

That's not C-3PO...

They are not talkin about the poster, but the sizzle real and some of the images that were shown off at d23. Sizzle real is coming monday i think.

[Bralia]

Mildly disappointed with the final fight with Malak. I feel like I should be able to outdo him with sheer Force powers, but my Heal just wasn't good enough. And my Wisdom stat was through the roof. I guess the fight requires the use of Life Support packs? I don't know how else I could have gotten through it.

I'm glad I went to Kashyyyk first, I became a devastating Jedi after acquiring the Circlet of Saresh. Almost nothing could withstand my Stasis Field. It's kinda funny really, I killed hordes of enemies that couldn't fight back. Very Jedi-like.

I think I'm going to straight back in and do a Dark Side run before moving on to KotOR 2. My biggest hope and fear is that I can try to be evil but not just for evil's sake. I really don't want to be horrible to my companions. At least not until the end, of course. I really hope there's room in the game to be a "reasonable" person and still be able to reliably advance Dark Side progress.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Mildly disappointed with the final fight with Malak. I feel like I should be able to outdo him with sheer Force powers, but my Heal just wasn't good enough. And my Wisdom stat was through the roof. I guess the fight requires the use of Life Support packs? I don't know how else I could have gotten through it.

I'm glad I went to Kashyyyk first, I became a devastating Jedi after acquiring the Circlet of Saresh. Almost nothing could withstand my Stasis Field. It's kinda funny really, I killed hordes of enemies that couldn't fight back. Very Jedi-like.

I think I'm going to straight back in and do a Dark Side run before moving on to KotOR 2. My biggest hope and fear is that I can try to be evil but not just for evil's sake. I really don't want to be horrible to my companions. At least not until the end, of course. I really hope there's room in the game to be a "reasonable" person and still be able to reliably advance Dark Side progress.

Eh, the dark side options in KOTOR are generally pretty douchey.

Some of the larger ones, like becoming Darth Revan again or killing the giant shark on Manaan, have some utilitarian thinking behind them, but a lot of the smaller ones are along the lines of “Give me your money, nerd!”.

[Ism]

New poster and footage revealed for the Rise of Skywalker.

Oh boy, they're teasing Palps even harder.

C-3PO with red eyes

That's not C-3PO...

You just don't recognize him because of his red eyes.

Mildly disappointed with the final fight with Malak. I feel like I should be able to outdo him with sheer Force powers, but my Heal just wasn't good enough. And my Wisdom stat was through the roof. I guess the fight requires the use of Life Support packs? I don't know how else I could have gotten through it.

I'm glad I went to Kashyyyk first, I became a devastating Jedi after acquiring the Circlet of Saresh. Almost nothing could withstand my Stasis Field. It's kinda funny really, I killed hordes of enemies that couldn't fight back. Very Jedi-like.

I think I'm going to straight back in and do a Dark Side run before moving on to KotOR 2. My biggest hope and fear is that I can try to be evil but not just for evil's sake. I really don't want to be horrible to my companions. At least not until the end, of course. I really hope there's room in the game to be a "reasonable" person and still be able to reliably advance Dark Side progress.

Yeah, I never much cared for the Malak fight. I think the only boss fights I really enjoyed in the Kotor games were the final battle in the tomb on Korriban, and the final battle with Sion on Malachor V.

And First Galactic Empire is right, a lot of DS decisions in Kotor are more what you'd expect from an internet troll with reality warping powers than from Darth Vader.

[Valrifell]

I lost hope of the sequel trilogy within the first 20 minutes of TLJ. I'm a pretty hardcore star wars fan, even a prequel defender. The only reason why I'm seeing IX is to see what they actually do with it.

The Prequels are masterful works of arts by an amazing storyteller. Are they flawed? Yes, but those flaws don't outway their cultural value or the merit of their creator.

George Lucas is a shitty storyteller and only a decent concept man at best. He needs people to guide him and sort through his ideas and call him out when his ideas suck.

[Valrifell]

You give them way too much movies. They're very bad movies that are fun to watch and have amazing CGI and effects.

I'd put it more like this: the prequels have great worldbuilding and a great story, they're just not executed all that well.

The worldbuilding is good, though it makes the timeline feel very rushed.

The story isn't good, this is nostalgic propaganda.

[Ism]

The Prequels are masterful works of arts by an amazing storyteller. Are they flawed? Yes, but those flaws don't outway their cultural value or the merit of their creator.

George Lucas is a shitty storyteller and only a decent concept man at best. He needs people to guide him and sort through his ideas and call him out when his ideas suck.

Lucas is an excellent storyteller, but a poor writer, especially with dialogue. And his concepts are solid. The mythology of Star Wars, so far as the film's go, was his creation, as are some of the best elements of the OT, like the revelation of Vader being Luke's father. All Lucas. He needs help, sure, though that's true of most everyone.

There's this weird tendency I've found for some Star Wars fans to treat Lucas as a borderline incompetent, saved only by those around him. Really, he's a talented but flawed creator, again, not unusual, and so he needs support from people who can cover his blindspots. He had that more in the OT of course, hence their overall higher quality.

I'd put it more like this: the prequels have great worldbuilding and a great story, they're just not executed all that well.

The worldbuilding is good, though it makes the timeline feel very rushed.

The story isn't good, this is nostalgic propaganda.

Not sure what you mean by rushed. It takes place over the course of 13 years, longer than the OT and ST combined and then doubled.

And the story is actually quite good. But, as noted, Lucas is not a great writer, and it shows. It doesn't change the fact that the stories of the Prequels films, and of the Trilogy overall, aren't themselves good. And, considering how the Prequel's tale is of a democracy falling into despotism, a young man who's fear of losing what he has leads to his falling down a dark path, old institutions becoming corrupt and stagnant, unable to deal with new threats and issues, leading to the first two points, l of which, I'd say, are conceotuakly good stories. I would also argue they were ahead of their time, as these issues are more prevalent in the post Recession world.

Again, Lucas is not an impressive writer, but his writings have value, and many of his creations, even the Prequel's, are good. In some ways this is because of Lucas, in some ways in spite of him, but they are good, nonetheless.

[Imbalistan]

8000th post. There, I did it.

[Alvecia]

Mildly disappointed with the final fight with Malak. I feel like I should be able to outdo him with sheer Force powers, but my Heal just wasn't good enough. And my Wisdom stat was through the roof. I guess the fight requires the use of Life Support packs? I don't know how else I could have gotten through it.

I'm glad I went to Kashyyyk first, I became a devastating Jedi after acquiring the Circlet of Saresh. Almost nothing could withstand my Stasis Field. It's kinda funny really, I killed hordes of enemies that couldn't fight back. Very Jedi-like.

I think I'm going to straight back in and do a Dark Side run before moving on to KotOR 2. My biggest hope and fear is that I can try to be evil but not just for evil's sake. I really don't want to be horrible to my companions. At least not until the end, of course. I really hope there's room in the game to be a "reasonable" person and still be able to reliably advance Dark Side progress.

Eh, the dark side options in KOTOR are generally pretty douchey.

Some of the larger ones, like becoming Darth Revan again or killing the giant shark on Manaan, have some utilitarian thinking behind them, but a lot of the smaller ones are along the lines of “Give me your money, nerd!”.

That's a alot of the DS choices in SWTOR as well, one of the things that can really put me off playing DS characters

[Nova Cyberia]

Apparently Rey might be turning to the Dark Side and will be wielding some sort of lightsaber nunchucks.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Eh, the dark side options in KOTOR are generally pretty douchey.

Some of the larger ones, like becoming Darth Revan again or killing the giant shark on Manaan, have some utilitarian thinking behind them, but a lot of the smaller ones are along the lines of “Give me your money, nerd!”.

That's a alot of the DS choices in SWTOR as well, one of the things that can really put me off playing DS characters

SWTOR is a little better overall. It still has that problem, but I’ll give them more credit.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Dark Side on SWTOR is almost always more fun. Aside from ridiculously murdering people who probably didn't deserve to die and hindering the empire the DS options are quite interesting.

[Vassenor]

Some of the Light Side choices in SWTOR are just dumb.

See also "not discrediting that senator who wanted to surrender the entire republic to the empire".

[Alvecia]

Kinda getting the itch to play again now

[Ameriganastan]

Dark Side on SWTOR is almost always more fun. Aside from ridiculously murdering people who probably didn't deserve to die and hindering the empire the DS options are quite interesting.

The evil side is funner in like every game. Fallout, Mass Effect, Kotor, etc.

[Ism]

Dark Side on SWTOR is almost always more fun. Aside from ridiculously murdering people who probably didn't deserve to die and hindering the empire the DS options are quite interesting.

I'd say LS is generally more interesting for Imperials. DS Empire is all too often a hammy, scenery devouring cartoon villain. Of course, I'm an LS player in general, so that might color my view a bit.

Some of the Light Side choices in SWTOR are just dumb.

See also "not discrediting that senator who wanted to surrender the entire republic to the empire".

This is very true, though far from unique to SWTOR. Some LS options make your PC look stupidly naive, and some DS options make your PC look stupidly cruel and impulsive.

[The first Galactic Republic]

I think it depends on the class for SWTOR. For example, Inquisitor is better as a dark side character. There are so many hilarious and scenery chewing DS moments for the Inquisitor, and the thoroughly self-serving plot about increasing your own power and making your name as a Sith Lord doesn’t really make sense for an altruistic light side character. Plus it’s rather unbelievable that a light side character could use the Sith magic that’s integral to the plot.

Meanwhile, a DS Consular is about the most out of place Republic character ever. There aren’t any memorable DS moments for that class imo, and it doesn’t make sense that the Jedi would promote a DS character to Master and rely on them as a negotiator and diplomatic expert.

There are certainly classes where they both work to a degree. DS Imperial Agent is great as a ruthless, cutthroat Cold War esque spy, but a LS Agent is also interesting as a well meaning patriot who just wants to help the citizens of the Empire and ends up caught in a twisted web of conspiracies and bloated bureaucracy.

LS Jedi Knight is about the most standard Star Wars hero’s journey in SWTOR, but I think DS Jedi works too. The Republic is constantly calling on the character for their strength, so it sort of makes sense that pride could go to the knight’s head from saving the Republic and the galaxy so many times. The Knight eventually becomes about the only person that can stand up to Vitiate, so it still makes sense that the Jedi would rely on them even if they’d clearly crossed a line. The story also acknowledges your alignment to an extent. Satele Shan actually denies the rank of Master to a DS Jedi Knight at the end of the class story.