Star Wars: The Force Shall Free Us All

[The Huskar Social Union]

Disagree, that scene was great, nothing wrong with it.

THREE. SECONDS.

And?

The fight did not need to be longer.

Maul was completely consumed with getting revenge on Obi Wan, soo utterly consumed by his rage and anger against him he didnt see he was being baited by Obi Wan, who was a very different man from when they last fought in the Clone Wars. Obi Wan had grown and had years to reflect on everything he has went through and saw that he could bait Maul by using the same stance Qui Gon used on Naboo when Maul killed him.

The fight was over before it even began as Obi Wan knew he could take him out in a single set of moves to exploit Maul's weakness. Nothing flashy, just lure him in then kill him.

[Ameriganastan]

The fight did not need to be longer.

Yeah, it really did. Cause you know, then it was would have been AN ACTUAL FIGHT. Not 90 seconds of talking and then him getting killed in THREE SECONDS. How would you have liked it if Anakin's fight with Obi-Wan was over that quick? Or the duel with Cool Maul in Episode I? Or Luke fighting Vader in Cloud City?

When that clip came up in my YouTube recs the first time, I was expecting something awesome. What I got is more proof that those stupid EU CG cartoons are crap and they ruined Darth Maul.

[The Huskar Social Union]

The fight did not need to be longer.

Yeah, it really did. Cause you know, then it was would have been AN ACTUAL FIGHT. Not 90 seconds of talking and then him getting killed in THREE SECONDS. How would you have liked it if Anakin's fight with Obi-Wan was over that quick? Or the duel with Cool Maul in Episode I? Or Luke fighting Vader in Cloud City?

When that clip came up in my YouTube recs the first time, I was expecting something awesome. What I got is more proof that those stupid EU CG cartoons are crap and they ruined Darth Maul.

Anakin and Obi Wans fight goes on for too long and could have easily done with some cutting down. Anyway all those fights had different tones to reflect on their situations, the Obi Wan of Phantom Menace is not the same Obi Wan in that episode of Rebels, the longer drawn out fight between Obi Wan, Qui Gon and Maul reflects on how the movie was done and the characters of the movie, the fight between Obi Wan and Maul in Rebels reflects the tone of the episode, how it was done and what the characters were like at that time.

Not every fight has to be long, there are plenty of "actual fights" that go over within seconds too. Mauls death happening that quick fit the episode and the characters in it.

[Ameriganastan]

Ugh! I don't know why I even bother. This has to be the sixth time I've debated the crappiness of that stupid "fight" and you still refuse to see reason.

Forget this. I've got anime to watch. Least the fights in them aren't 3 seconds long.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Ugh! I don't know why I even bother. This has to be the sixth time I've debated the crappiness of that stupid "fight" and you still refuse to see reason.

Forget this. I've got anime to watch. Least the fights in them aren't 3 seconds long.

Okay ameri thats nice.

Also drop the attitude because someone disagrees with you please.

See at the end of the day, there is more to a fight than how long it lasts or how flashy it is. I would gladly take a shorter fight that more of an emotional impact that fit the context of the characters and the moment than something drawn out just for the sake of it or to look cool. The fight on Tatooine between Maul and Kenobi fit the characters at that time, one had moved on after years of reflection and self understanding, the other didnt, and the other died as a result. The fight didnt need to be like their previous fights in Episode 1 or the Clone Wars.

The shortness of that particular fight fit the narrative of the moment and the relationship between the characters.

[Andsed]

Ugh! I don't know why I even bother. This has to be the sixth time I've debated the crappiness of that stupid "fight" and you still refuse to see reason.

Forget this. I've got anime to watch. Least the fights in them aren't 3 seconds long.

We refuse to ¨see reason¨ is because your argument is a superficial one and is based off the idea that because the fight scene is short it means the scene is bad. Your completely ignoring the narrative of that fight. It was not meant to be some long duel of fates kinda fight. It was meant to be a quick short fight to show how both characters have developed.

Obi Wan has reflected over his life and has learned and changed from it. Maul has not and has been to consumed with taking vengeance and that is why he was beat. The point of the scene is not be some crazy long fight but to quickly show how both parties have developed and to wrap up Mauls story line which I think it did well.

[Ism]

Even if I liked Clone Wars, you couldn't pay me to watch anymore of that shit. Especially knowing how they utterly bitch what was once an awesome bad guy.

While the treatment of Grievous if that is who your referring to was not exactly great I would not say it is in any way ruins the show. And if your referring to Maul I don´t see how they made a him a ¨bitch.¨

She's great in Rebels as well.

I have not watched Rebels yet. Have not heard great things about it though. Would you recommend it?

Oh yes, I remember not understanding how to play. Good times. What I found very useful was using the dueling line of feats and fighting with a one-handed weapon. Or, if you just raise your strength to 10 and buff your dex in character creation, and use blasters until you get a lightsaber, you'll have an easier time in combat. You could also do both, of course. If you are having trouble, it might be best to restart, as Kotor is the sort of game where a bad set up can make the game hellish, especially early on. Oh, and if you have no dignity, like me, use hit and run tactics. You can often get a hit in, then run away from your opponent before they attack you. It doesn't always work, but it can be a lifesaver, especially in fights with enemies like Marl. You should also get either drain life or destroy droid as Force powers at some point, as their very useful for the final boss fight. Finally, remember that Kotor has a level cap of 20, so plan out your distribution of attribute and skill points, feats and Force powers appropriately, and consider what level you want to change class at carefully.

Great now I have to get back into KOTOR.

To be fair, we should all get back into Kotor, all the time.

[Andsed]

While the treatment of Grievous if that is who your referring to was not exactly great I would not say it is in any way ruins the show. And if your referring to Maul I don´t see how they made a him a ¨bitch.¨


I have not watched Rebels yet. Have not heard great things about it though. Would you recommend it?


Great now I have to get back into KOTOR.

To be fair, we should all get back into Kotor, all the time.

True. Games is quite awesome.

[Ameriganastan]

Shame EA is a cash-grabbing excuse of a studio now and BioWare hasn't released a good game since ME2. Cause I'd love a Kotor 3.

[Ism]

Shame EA is a cash-grabbing excuse of a studio now and BioWare hasn't released a good game since ME2. Cause I'd love a Kotor 3.

Eh, Inquisition was all right. I guess we'll see if Fallen Order is any good.

[Valrifell]

She's great in Rebels as well.

Even if I liked Clone Wars, you couldn't pay me to watch anymore of that shit. Especially knowing how they utterly bitch what was once an awesome bad guy.

I find your lack of faith... disturbing.

[Ameriganastan]

Even if I liked Clone Wars, you couldn't pay me to watch anymore of that shit. Especially knowing how they utterly bitch what was once an awesome bad guy.

I find your lack of faith... disturbing.

I won't lose much sleep over that.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Rebels is kinda good but its excessively childish on average which holds it back. BUT when it decides to be serious and actually do things it's pretty awesome. Yeah Ashoka is pretty awesome in Rebels because she wasn't bumbling around as a clueless padawan for multiple seasons.

The difference between the two is that Clone Wars is mostly good content with some childish nonsense and until Rookies it was weak whereas Rebel is mostly childish with good content scattered around.

My biggest issue with Rebels (other than the childish nonsense) is that we've all seen the foundation of the rebellion story 30 times and they somehow keep making it smaller. I've complained about this before but I don't think they understand how big A galaxy is.

[Alvecia]

She's great in Rebels as well.

I have not watched Rebels yet. Have not heard great things about it though. Would you recommend it?

I would, yes.

On the negative side I'd say the first season is pretty slow, there's a fair bit of filler, and it's very obviously aimed at a younger audience.
That said I think it's got some of the best moments in Star Wars. I don't want to get too detailed for fear of spoiling something.

Don't force yourself though. It's definitely not for everyone, and if you really want to, you can look up a "best of" or something online.

[Alvecia]

LITERAL 3 SECONDS

Disagree, that scene was great, nothing wrong with it.

One of the best fights imo.

[Andsed]

Rebels is kinda good but its excessively childish on average which holds it back. BUT when it decides to be serious and actually do things it's pretty awesome. Yeah Ashoka is pretty awesome in Rebels because she wasn't bumbling around as a clueless padawan for multiple seasons.

The difference between the two is that Clone Wars is mostly good content with some childish nonsense and until Rookies it was weak whereas Rebel is mostly childish with good content scattered around.

My biggest issue with Rebels (other than the childish nonsense) is that we've all seen the foundation of the rebellion story 30 times and they somehow keep making it smaller. I've complained about this before but I don't think they understand how big A galaxy is.

Yeah Star Wars does seem to sometimes struggle with addressing the scale of it´s setting. (Cough Cough Clone army being only like 600 million strong Cough Cough)

I have not watched Rebels yet. Have not heard great things about it though. Would you recommend it?

I would, yes.

On the negative side I'd say the first season is pretty slow, there's a fair bit of filler, and it's very obviously aimed at a younger audience.
That said I think it's got some of the best moments in Star Wars. I don't want to get too detailed for fear of spoiling something.

Don't force yourself though. It's definitely not for everyone, and if you really want to, you can look up a "best of" or something online.

Ah interesting. I might check out rebels. I looked at some of the teasers and it looks okay.

Disagree, that scene was great, nothing wrong with it.

One of the best fights imo.

Agreed. It is very fast but I think it works very well with it´s execution and how it shows the development of Maul and Obi Wan.

[The first Galactic Republic]

A neat KOTOR trick is to hold back on leveling when you’re on Taris and only level up after you’ve become a padawan. You get a force power every time you level after that, so you’ll wind up with more abilities this way.

It makes Taris a little frustrating to do everything as a level 2 character, but there’s nothing good use of mines can’t overcome.

[Andsed]

A neat KOTOR trick is to hold back on leveling when you’re on Taris and only level up after you’ve become a padawan. You get a force power every time you level after that, so you’ll wind up with more abilities this way.

It makes Taris a little frustrating to do everything as a level 2 character, but there’s nothing good use of mines can’t overcome.

Ah yes mines and grenades. The thing I resort to once I realize that my usual strategy of straight up front line combat won´t work.(Or for dealing with that Rancor on Taris because seriously that fucking thing was impossible to kill without being cheap.)

[Impaled Nazarene]

A neat KOTOR trick is to hold back on leveling when you’re on Taris and only level up after you’ve become a padawan. You get a force power every time you level after that, so you’ll wind up with more abilities this way.

It makes Taris a little frustrating to do everything as a level 2 character, but there’s nothing good use of mines can’t overcome.

Ah fuck me, that brought up nightmares of fighting Bendak at level 2. Fuck that.

[The first Galactic Republic]

A neat KOTOR trick is to hold back on leveling when you’re on Taris and only level up after you’ve become a padawan. You get a force power every time you level after that, so you’ll wind up with more abilities this way.

It makes Taris a little frustrating to do everything as a level 2 character, but there’s nothing good use of mines can’t overcome.

Ah yes mines and grenades. The thing I resort to once I realize that my usual strategy of straight up front line combat won´t work.(Or for dealing with that Rancor on Taris because seriously that fucking thing was impossible to kill without being cheap.)

I remember just running by it the very first time I played. I made it to the door while it killed my companions. I couldn’t actually leave until they respawned, but thankfully I was far enough away that combat had ended and they could hobble back to me.

For anyone that didn’t know, the intended way is to leave the rancor bait and an explosive in the I think debris pile in front of the rancor.

[Ism]

A neat KOTOR trick is to hold back on leveling when you’re on Taris and only level up after you’ve become a padawan. You get a force power every time you level after that, so you’ll wind up with more abilities this way.

It makes Taris a little frustrating to do everything as a level 2 character, but there’s nothing good use of mines can’t overcome.

I never really got the desire for so many extra Force powers. I’ll hold my level at 5 or if a Scoundrel, 6, because a couple extra powers are useful, but more than that and I just end up with a bunch of powers I never use, and would rarely have use for/need anyway. Assuming I’m not a consular, that still gives me 16/15 Force points over the course of the game, more than enough to get a solid group of powers. And, this allows one to reap additional benefits of the original class for longer, such as better skill, vitality and/or feat progression and free class feats. In my experience, it always seemed harder to get all the feats I wanted compared to the Force powers I wanted.

[Bralia]

I just jumped into Knights of the Old Republic for the first time in so long that I may as well be playing the game for the first time again. There was an ancient time where I played often enough that I considered myself competent and good at it. Now . . . I remember NOTHING about how to play this game.

Oh yes, I remember not understanding how to play. Good times. What I found very useful was using the dueling line of feats and fighting with a one-handed weapon. Or, if you just raise your strength to 10 and buff your dex in character creation, and use blasters until you get a lightsaber, you'll have an easier time in combat. You could also do both, of course. If you are having trouble, it might be best to restart, as Kotor is the sort of game where a bad set up can make the game hellish, especially early on. Oh, and if you have no dignity, like me, use hit and run tactics. You can often get a hit in, then run away from your opponent before they attack you. It doesn't always work, but it can be a lifesaver, especially in fights with enemies like Marl. You should also get either drain life or destroy droid as Force powers at some point, as their very useful for the final boss fight. Finally, remember that Kotor has a level cap of 20, so plan out your distribution of attribute and skill points, feats and Force powers appropriately, and consider what level you want to change class at carefully.

That's what I've been worried about most, I remember having experiences that ended up like that. My current build seems to be going okay so far, though. A Scout with 13 STR/13 DEX/10 CON/14 WIS/??? INT/16 CHA has been surprisingly effective so far. My only decisive defeat was versus one of the bounties, Selven, and I remember now that she's too tough to be taken down too early.

A neat KOTOR trick is to hold back on leveling when you’re on Taris and only level up after you’ve become a padawan. You get a force power every time you level after that, so you’ll wind up with more abilities this way.

It makes Taris a little frustrating to do everything as a level 2 character, but there’s nothing good use of mines can’t overcome.

Well, I've certainly gone too far to try any madness by holding at level 2, but I'm thinking of stopping at level 6 or 7.

[Ism]

Oh yes, I remember not understanding how to play. Good times. What I found very useful was using the dueling line of feats and fighting with a one-handed weapon. Or, if you just raise your strength to 10 and buff your dex in character creation, and use blasters until you get a lightsaber, you'll have an easier time in combat. You could also do both, of course. If you are having trouble, it might be best to restart, as Kotor is the sort of game where a bad set up can make the game hellish, especially early on. Oh, and if you have no dignity, like me, use hit and run tactics. You can often get a hit in, then run away from your opponent before they attack you. It doesn't always work, but it can be a lifesaver, especially in fights with enemies like Marl. You should also get either drain life or destroy droid as Force powers at some point, as their very useful for the final boss fight. Finally, remember that Kotor has a level cap of 20, so plan out your distribution of attribute and skill points, feats and Force powers appropriately, and consider what level you want to change class at carefully.

That's what I've been worried about most, I remember having experiences that ended up like that. My current build seems to be going okay so far, though. A Scout with 13 STR/13 DEX/10 CON/14 WIS/??? INT/16 CHA has been surprisingly effective so far. My only decisive defeat was versus one of the bounties, Selven, and I remember now that she's too tough to be taken down too early.

A neat KOTOR trick is to hold back on leveling when you’re on Taris and only level up after you’ve become a padawan. You get a force power every time you level after that, so you’ll wind up with more abilities this way.

It makes Taris a little frustrating to do everything as a level 2 character, but there’s nothing good use of mines can’t overcome.

Well, I've certainly gone too far to try any madness by holding at level 2, but I'm thinking of stopping at level 6 or 7.

6 would be better. You won't really get any significant benefits for going to level 7, though it would of course make the last few legs of Taris easier . Also, since you're a scout, I'd recommend putting points into repair. It's useful for getting everything you can out of HK-47. Knowing you, I'm assuming you enjoy his brand of comedic sociopathy. Getting to a total skill level of 17 is sufficient for that.

Any idea what Jedi class you're gonna choose?

[Impaled Nazarene]

DID SOMEMEATBAG SAY HK-47?

[Bralia]

That's what I've been worried about most, I remember having experiences that ended up like that. My current build seems to be going okay so far, though. A Scout with 13 STR/13 DEX/10 CON/14 WIS/??? INT/16 CHA has been surprisingly effective so far. My only decisive defeat was versus one of the bounties, Selven, and I remember now that she's too tough to be taken down too early.


Well, I've certainly gone too far to try any madness by holding at level 2, but I'm thinking of stopping at level 6 or 7.

6 would be better. You won't really get any significant benefits for going to level 7, though it would of course make the last few legs of Taris easier . Also, since you're a scout, I'd recommend putting points into repair. It's useful for getting everything you can out of HK-47. Knowing you, I'm assuming you enjoy his brand of comedic sociopathy. Getting to a total skill level of 17 is sufficient for that.

Any idea what Jedi class you're gonna choose?

. . . I don't think I put a single point into Repair yet. >.>. Aside from keeping Persuade as high as it will go, I dumped my points into Awareness and Computer Use. I definitely confused Computer Use with Security when creating the character, but it feels like a shame to not invest it computers now that I've put so many points into it.
Also, I think I've actually historically not valued HK-47 much. My go-to squads were with one organic shooter and one Jedi. Carth/Canderous and Bastila/Jolee. I feel like Jolee and Canderous were actually a particularly great comedic combo, iirc. Everyone else just didn't see much use because I thought they were weaker characters gameplay-wise. The only character that I 100% did not like at all was Juhani.

I'm fond of the class with the Jedi jump. Neutralizing a single enemy in one fell swoop always felt so satisfying.