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Oh right I forgot we're not allowed to have any sort of positive view of 8 at all.

Vassenor wrote:Oh right I forgot we're not allowed to have any sort of positive view of 8 at all.

Well as long as you remember it now.

Vassenor wrote:Oh right I forgot we're not allowed to have any sort of positive view of 8 at all.

I quite liked it actually but even I have to admit that Rian fucked up so much. Like I'm not sure how they're going to unfuck it.

8 could have been a whole lot better if it had a time skip like every other movie in the franchise. The fact it began pretty much exactly after 7 ended put it on a very rocky start which turned into a rockslide of bad ideas and poor execution.

Impaled Nazarene wrote:

Vassenor wrote:Oh right I forgot we're not allowed to have any sort of positive view of 8 at all.

I quite liked it actually but even I have to admit that Rian fucked up so much. Like I'm not sure how they're going to unfuck it.

8 could have been a whole lot better if it had a time skip like every other movie in the franchise. The fact it began pretty much exactly after 7 ended put it on a very rocky start which turned into a rockslide of bad ideas and poor execution.

The big thing also with it was that so much of it could have been improved massively with just a few tweaks. Like have the captain say "I'm worried there's a spy on board" and suddenly, boom, all of her actions make sense, and yet Poe's feelings and mutiny would still be justified because he thinks she's just being paranoid.

Vassenor wrote:Oh right I forgot we're not allowed to have any sort of positive view of 8 at all.

Not sure where that idea came from, except for the sake of being overly dramatic. If you liked VIII, say something positive about it. Let's talk about it. I'll most likely disagree with that viewpoint and say so, and that's okay. But let's not devolve into moaning about the popularity (or lack thereof) of our viewpoints. If you liked it that's great. If you have a point, you're welcome to make it. And then I'll argue with you till Mustafar freezes over because I'll very likely disagree

Vassenor wrote:Oh right I forgot we're not allowed to have any sort of positive view of 8 at all.

Where did this come from? Criticizing and saying TLJ fucked up a lot of things does not equal no one is allowed to have a positive view of it.

Plenty of people on here including myself and mentioned time and time again that we like The Last Jedi, and outside of one really bitter person we have not any problems expressing our liking of the movie not have we been dogpiled on over it.

Andsed wrote:

Vassenor wrote:Oh right I forgot we're not allowed to have any sort of positive view of 8 at all.

Where did this come from? Criticizing and saying TLJ fucked up a lot of things does not equal no one is allowed to have a positive view of it.

Idzequitch wrote:

Vassenor wrote:Oh right I forgot we're not allowed to have any sort of positive view of 8 at all.

Not sure where that idea came from, except for the sake of being overly dramatic. If you liked VIII, say something positive about it. Let's talk about it. I'll most likely disagree with that viewpoint and say so, and that's okay. But let's not devolve into moaning about the popularity (or lack thereof) of our viewpoints. If you liked it that's great. If you have a point, you're welcome to make it. And then I'll argue with you till Mustafar freezes over because I'll very likely disagree

Its vass, dont bother.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Plenty of people on here including myself and mentioned time and time again that we like The Last Jedi, and outside of one really bitter person we have not any problems expressing our liking of the movie not have we been dogpiled on over it.

Same.

One thing I've always wondered is what Palpatine's personality was like when he wasn't hiding under his guise as chancellor. Obviously he was a ruthless evil man who had no issue committing mass atrocities and the most successful Sith since the Old Republic Sith Emperor. But I have seen differing portrayals of him in old books/comics.

Impaled Nazarene wrote:One thing I've always wondered is what Palpatine's personality was like when he wasn't hiding under his guise as chancellor. Obviously he was a ruthless evil man who had no issue committing mass atrocities and the most successful Sith since the Old Republic Sith Emperor. But I have seen differing portrayals of him in old books/comics.

Legends Darth Plageuis novel lists him as an ambitious, but odd-kid who thought very highly of himself but did not get along with his family. Especially his father. He had sociopathic tendencies as well

I'm forming a little bit of a theory about 9 right now if you want to read it.

Idzequitch wrote:

Vassenor wrote:Oh right I forgot we're not allowed to have any sort of positive view of 8 at all.

Not sure where that idea came from, except for the sake of being overly dramatic. If you liked VIII, say something positive about it. Let's talk about it. I'll most likely disagree with that viewpoint and say so, and that's okay. But let's not devolve into moaning about the popularity (or lack thereof) of our viewpoints. If you liked it that's great. If you have a point, you're welcome to make it. And then I'll argue with you till Mustafar freezes over because I'll very likely disagree

You literally just said you agreed that Star Wars is an inevitable plane crash:

Idzequitch wrote:

Impaled Nazarene wrote:Disney forced JJ to play it safe with 7 but still did a "good" job, Rian shat himself with 8, and now JJ only has like 2.5 hours to unfuck 8 with 9.
The plane is already in a nosedive let's hope it pulls up and most of us survive the inevitable crash.

This is very much my attitude towards IX as well.

This isn't Vass' being overly dramatic but instead a perfectly reasonable interpretation of "Star Wars is crashing and burning". Note that there are 0 posts between your agreement post and Vass' "no positive opinions allowed".

Be more careful in your use of language and perhaps this problem wouldn't exist?

Dylar wrote:I'm forming a little bit of a theory about 9 right now if you want to read it.

Basically it's going to start out with Kylo trying to hunt down the Resistance and then it's going to take a bit of a Dark Empire turn where Palpatine returns somehow(probably in a clone body) and tries to take the title of Supreme Leader from Kylo. Which then causes a civil war to break out in the FO. Sith Troopers on Palps' side with whoever's loyal to Kylo on the other side. And for all we know, Kylo's side might form a fragile truce/alliance with the Resistance.

That sounds plausible.

Forsher wrote:

Idzequitch wrote:Not sure where that idea came from, except for the sake of being overly dramatic. If you liked VIII, say something positive about it. Let's talk about it. I'll most likely disagree with that viewpoint and say so, and that's okay. But let's not devolve into moaning about the popularity (or lack thereof) of our viewpoints. If you liked it that's great. If you have a point, you're welcome to make it. And then I'll argue with you till Mustafar freezes over because I'll very likely disagree

You literally just said you agreed that Star Wars is an inevitable plane crash:

Idzequitch wrote:This is very much my attitude towards IX as well.

This isn't Vass' being overly dramatic but instead a perfectly reasonable interpretation of "Star Wars is crashing and burning". Note that there are 0 posts between your agreement post and Vass' "no positive opinions allowed".

Be more careful in your use of language and perhaps this problem wouldn't exist?

You know, it’s almost like “I think Star Wars is in a bad place right now,” and “You can enjoy the new Star Wars material” are not mutually exclusive opinions. Funny how that works. Maybe if people didn’t assume that someone disliking something meant they demand everyone dislike it, this problem wouldn’t exist?

I liked TLJ.

Shoulda done the full dark side thing with Rey. Would have been potentially new and interesting.

Because clearly, the Force itself is the past that needs to die and this would be the proof about it

Ism wrote:

Forsher wrote:
You literally just said you agreed that Star Wars is an inevitable plane crash:



This isn't Vass' being overly dramatic but instead a perfectly reasonable interpretation of "Star Wars is crashing and burning". Note that there are 0 posts between your agreement post and Vass' "no positive opinions allowed".

Be more careful in your use of language and perhaps this problem wouldn't exist?

Maybe if people didn’t assume that someone disliking something meant they demand everyone dislike it, this problem wouldn’t exist?

Amen.

Lord Dominator wrote:Because clearly, the Force itself is the past that needs to die and this would be the proof about it

The Force is inherently patriarchal since it was used to impregnate Shmi so OF COURSE.

Fedel wrote:

Lord Dominator wrote:Because clearly, the Force itself is the past that needs to die and this would be the proof about it

The Force is inherently patriarchal since it was used to impregnate Shmi so OF COURSE.

Quite honestly I was going to suggest it was the cause for the various problems of the galaxy, but then I realized those were almost all humans & aliens being shit (at least per film canon).

Reading the Tarkin novel. Really good thus far.

Impaled Nazarene wrote:

Andsed wrote:TBH I have to agree there. The trailer looked okay and I think JJ did a decent job with TFA.

Disney forced JJ to play it safe with 7 but still did a "good" job, Rian shat himself with 8, and now JJ only has like 2.5 hours to unfuck 8 with 9.
The plane is already in a nosedive let's hope it pulls up and most of us survive the inevitable crash.

The cowriter is Chris Terrio who cowrote Batman vs Superman and Justice League.

My expectations are low.

Impaled Nazarene wrote:

Andsed wrote:TBH I have to agree there. The trailer looked okay and I think JJ did a decent job with TFA.

Disney forced JJ to play it safe with 7 but still did a "good" job, Rian shat himself with 8, and now JJ only has like 2.5 hours to unfuck 8 with 9.
The plane is already in a nosedive let's hope it pulls up and most of us survive the inevitable crash.

Their so screwed right now that JJ's been forced to revisit the treatment for Episode 7 that Lucas made in order to get a movie out. No one wanted to listen to Lucas about how the ST should be done, but now it seems like he's their last hope to save the trilogy.

New haven america wrote:

Impaled Nazarene wrote:Disney forced JJ to play it safe with 7 but still did a "good" job, Rian shat himself with 8, and now JJ only has like 2.5 hours to unfuck 8 with 9.
The plane is already in a nosedive let's hope it pulls up and most of us survive the inevitable crash.

Their so screwed right now that JJ's been forced to revisit the treatment for Episode 7 that Lucas made in order to get a movie out. No one wanted to listen to Lucas about how the ST should be done, but now it seems like he's their last hope to save the trilogy.

Gotta love the Post Disney Revisionism.
Old EU: Here's Mara Jade, the Thrawn Trilogy, a massive series of events that most fans have accepted as canon.
The Prequels: Hated, contained many bad ideas and riddled with poor execution.
George Lucas: I don't consider any of that EU canon. My ideas for a sequel trilogy will have none of that.
Fans: Fuk u george you're holding the franchise back

Disney: SCREAMING IN CAPITALISM AND MASHING THE TAMPER BUTTON
Some fans: Huh, that was good I guess but it didn't live up to its potential.
Some fans: HEIL LUCAS DEATH TO DISNEY! THE PREQUELS WERE SECRETLY GENIUS!
Other fans: This whole thing was insane

Star Wars fans will never be happy. If Lucas made the sequel trilogy it would have had all the flaws of the prequels all over again.

Let's be clear here:

Disney is a passionless corporation only out to make money. They bought Star Wars in order to make it the next MCU ( an attempt which failed for multiple reasons ).

TFA was a bad remake of ANH.

TLJ was not formulaic but it was bad as it; had some jarring tonal issues, didn't respect the backgrounds of pre-established characters, seemed to often contradict itself in the message it tried to get across, was inconsistent with elements of its own universe and story, neutered its villains for the sake of comedy and shock value and generally just favored style over substance.

HOWEVER

Bringing Lucas in to implement his own ideas would not necessarily have been an improvement. While I believe Lucas to be creatively gifted, I do not think he's all that great at executing his ideas.

I will say that I think if Lucas had done the sequels they would have been better then what we got ( if still not we would have wanted ).

Fedel wrote:Let's be clear here:

Disney is a passionless corporation only out to make money. They bought Star Wars in order to make it the next MCU.

TFA was a bad remake of ANH.

TLJ was not formulaic but it was bad as it; had some jarring tonal issues, didn't respect the backgrounds of pre-established characters, seemed to often contradict itself in the message it tried to get across, was inconsistent with elements of its own universe and story, neutered its villains for the sake of comedy and shock value and generally just favored style over substance.

HOWEVER

Bringing Lucas in to implement his own ideas would not necessarily have been an improvement. While I believe Lucas to be creatively gifted, I do not think he's all that great at executing his ideas.

I will say that I think if Lucas had done the sequels they would have been better then what we got ( if still not we would have wanted ).

>didn't respect the backgrounds of pre-established characters

wait what

Vassenor wrote:

Fedel wrote:Let's be clear here:

Disney is a passionless corporation only out to make money. They bought Star Wars in order to make it the next MCU.

TFA was a bad remake of ANH.

TLJ was not formulaic but it was bad as it; had some jarring tonal issues, didn't respect the backgrounds of pre-established characters, seemed to often contradict itself in the message it tried to get across, was inconsistent with elements of its own universe and story, neutered its villains for the sake of comedy and shock value and generally just favored style over substance.

HOWEVER

Bringing Lucas in to implement his own ideas would not necessarily have been an improvement. While I believe Lucas to be creatively gifted, I do not think he's all that great at executing his ideas.

I will say that I think if Lucas had done the sequels they would have been better then what we got ( if still not we would have wanted ).

>didn't respect the backgrounds of pre-established characters

wait what

Elaborate on your confusion.