Star Wars: The Force Shall Free Us All

[Alvecia]

Since it’s somewhat on topic, I did just watch Lindsay Ellis’ video essay on the ideology of the First Order, so I thought I’d share, if you’re into that kind of thing. Thought it was a good watch.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XAVeyXwy3BE

[The Huskar Social Union]

Since it’s somewhat on topic, I did just watch Lindsay Ellis’ video essay on the ideology of the First Order, so I thought I’d share, if you’re into that kind of thing. Thought it was a good watch.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XAVeyXwy3BE

Oh i watched that a while back, decent video. Her stuff in general is really good.

[Jolthig]

Hux to me is simply part of a larger problem in the First Order. The problem being is that the First Order does not feel like a threat. I mean it has been pretty incompetent military wise but that is also true for the empire. The difference is the Empire had figures like Vader who were intimidating and felt like threats.

The First Order has people like Kylo Ren who feels like a whiny brat and who has gotten his ass kicked by Rey and Rey also had to save him during the fight with Snoke´s guard. And with Hux becoming little more than comic relief and Snoke being dead the figures in the First Order don´t feel intimidating or feel like an actual threat.

So I do hope Hux becomes more like his TFA self or Kylo becomes more competent since the First Order is severely lacking in intimidating villains right now.

Man had a fetish for sure

I mean have you seen how much Black he wears? Dude defiantly had some fetishes going on. Probably had some wild ass sex.

The FO has an excellent military but poor military strategy of incompetent generals like Hux and Kylo Ren himself. Almost like the RL USSR in early WWII.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Hux is only a general because he was groomed for the role by his father and his FO allies, who themselves were distinguished more by fanaticism than by actual competence. He never had much experience against anything but hugley outmatched foes before the FO actually declared war.

A better question is why he would ever have been competent. To further the comparison of the FO to Nazi exiles in Argentina, it would be like if one of the fleeing Nazi generals, who himself was never that important to the war effort and was only notable for surviving, brought up a kid on stories of fictional military glory and had him placed in a position of power as an adult. Fanatical as he would be, the kid would have no actual leadership ability.

[Andsed]

Hux to me is simply part of a larger problem in the First Order. The problem being is that the First Order does not feel like a threat. I mean it has been pretty incompetent military wise but that is also true for the empire. The difference is the Empire had figures like Vader who were intimidating and felt like threats.

The First Order has people like Kylo Ren who feels like a whiny brat and who has gotten his ass kicked by Rey and Rey also had to save him during the fight with Snoke´s guard. And with Hux becoming little more than comic relief and Snoke being dead the figures in the First Order don´t feel intimidating or feel like an actual threat.

So I do hope Hux becomes more like his TFA self or Kylo becomes more competent since the First Order is severely lacking in intimidating villains right now.


I mean have you seen how much Black he wears? Dude defiantly had some fetishes going on. Probably had some wild ass sex.

The FO has an excellent military but poor military strategy of incompetent generals like Hux and Kylo Ren himself. Almost like the RL USSR in early WWII.

Which makes some sense. But for the First Order to feel like a threat there needs to be some other factor that makes them threatening. For the Empire it was figures like Darth Vader that made them feel like a threat.

The First Order really does not have anything else making them feel like a threat. If they had say made the First Orders extremist zealots that would have made them feel like a much more threatening force.

[Ism]

Hux to me is simply part of a larger problem in the First Order. The problem being is that the First Order does not feel like a threat. I mean it has been pretty incompetent military wise but that is also true for the empire. The difference is the Empire had figures like Vader who were intimidating and felt like threats.

The First Order has people like Kylo Ren who feels like a whiny brat and who has gotten his ass kicked by Rey and Rey also had to save him during the fight with Snoke´s guard. And with Hux becoming little more than comic relief and Snoke being dead the figures in the First Order don´t feel intimidating or feel like an actual threat.

So I do hope Hux becomes more like his TFA self or Kylo becomes more competent since the First Order is severely lacking in intimidating villains right now.

Man had a fetish for sure

I mean have you seen how much Black he wears? Dude defiantly had some fetishes going on. Probably had some wild ass sex.

I definitely agree on the issue of the FO being non-threatning. Which is insane, because these guys blew up the capital of the NR and then subjugated the whole of the NR within, like, 2 weeks. They should be threatning, but it seems like all their victories are more due to their opponents shortcomings than anything else.

As for Hux, I disagree. I don't see how they can restore his character, he's always going to be a ridiculous idiot in my eyes.

Hux is only a general because he was groomed for the role by his father and his FO allies, who themselves were distinguished more by fanaticism than by actual competence. He never had much experience against anything but hugley outmatched foes before the FO actually declared war.

A better question is why he would ever have been competent. To further the comparison of the FO to Nazi exiles in Argentina, it would be like if one of the fleeing Nazi generals, who himself was never that important to the war effort and was only notable for surviving, brought up a kid on stories of fictional military glory and had him placed in a position of power as an adult. Fanatical as he would be, the kid would have no actual leadership ability.

This is indeed reasonable, especially if we were looking at events in the backstory of the ST. But, in the story itself, this can't work, because there are no competent villains to balance him out. Snoke makes Palpatine look humble and grounded, Ren is impulsive and erratic, and even in his better moments he doesn't seem particularly bright, and there's Phasma, who is not only incompetent but cowardly. There is a serious problem when the most competent opponent your heroes face is a tossup between traffic cops and this guy. I'm not joking here, the cops on Canto Bight and NAZI BB8 are the most effective opponents our heroes face in the ST. The only people who cause more problems for the heroes are the heroes themselves, but that's a whole other issue.

The FO should have been set up more to be Zealots, which is to me what they were kind of doing with Hux in TFA. He was not this heavily experienced commander or official, but a zealot who was dedicated to his cause. They should have went further with that in TLJ imo, just really show them to be fanatical zealots that dont really have the experience or veteran officers the empire did. Even if the empire also did stupid shit on screen too.

I could see this working. Even if incompetent, zeal could give the FO a sort relentlessness that allows them to serve as a legitimate threat. Sure, the heroes can outsmart them, even outfight them, but the FO always has more to throw at them, more men, more ships; they just keep coming, no matter how much you fight, however fast or far you run, they're always at your heel. So much potential for the FO, but it just feels wasted. The Separatists in the Prequels had a similar problem, but that was I think on purpose, both in and out of the universe, at least in terms of their competence, or lack thereof. The Separatists, after all, were never meant to win.

[DeltaSource]

Hux to me is simply part of a larger problem in the First Order. The problem being is that the First Order does not feel like a threat. I mean it has been pretty incompetent military wise but that is also true for the empire. The difference is the Empire had figures like Vader who were intimidating and felt like threats.

The First Order has people like Kylo Ren who feels like a whiny brat and who has gotten his ass kicked by Rey and Rey also had to save him during the fight with Snoke´s guard. And with Hux becoming little more than comic relief and Snoke being dead the figures in the First Order don´t feel intimidating or feel like an actual threat.

So I do hope Hux becomes more like his TFA self or Kylo becomes more competent since the First Order is severely lacking in intimidating villains right now.


I mean have you seen how much Black he wears? Dude defiantly had some fetishes going on. Probably had some wild ass sex.

I definitely agree on the issue of the FO being non-threatning. Which is insane, because these guys blew up the capital of the NR and then subjugated the whole of the NR within, like, 2 weeks. They should be threatning, but it seems like all their victories are more due to their opponents shortcomings than anything else.

As for Hux, I disagree. I don't see how they can restore his character, he's always going to be a ridiculous idiot in my eyes.

Hux is only a general because he was groomed for the role by his father and his FO allies, who themselves were distinguished more by fanaticism than by actual competence. He never had much experience against anything but hugley outmatched foes before the FO actually declared war.

A better question is why he would ever have been competent. To further the comparison of the FO to Nazi exiles in Argentina, it would be like if one of the fleeing Nazi generals, who himself was never that important to the war effort and was only notable for surviving, brought up a kid on stories of fictional military glory and had him placed in a position of power as an adult. Fanatical as he would be, the kid would have no actual leadership ability.

This is indeed reasonable, especially if we were looking at events in the backstory of the ST. But, in the story itself, this can't work, because there are no competent villains to balance him out. Snoke makes Palpatine look humble and grounded, Ren is impulsive and erratic, and even in his better moments he doesn't seem particularly bright, and there's Phasma, who is not only incompetent but cowardly. There is a serious problem when the most competent opponent your heroes face is a tossup between traffic cops and this guy. I'm not joking here, the cops on Canto Bight and NAZI BB8 are the most effective opponents our heroes face in the ST. The only people who cause more problems for the heroes are the heroes themselves, but that's a whole other issue.

The FO should have been set up more to be Zealots, which is to me what they were kind of doing with Hux in TFA. He was not this heavily experienced commander or official, but a zealot who was dedicated to his cause. They should have went further with that in TLJ imo, just really show them to be fanatical zealots that dont really have the experience or veteran officers the empire did. Even if the empire also did stupid shit on screen too.

I could see this working. Even if incompetent, zeal could give the FO a sort relentlessness that allows them to serve as a legitimate threat. Sure, the heroes can outsmart them, even outfight them, but the FO always has more to throw at them, more men, more ships; they just keep coming, no matter how much you fight, however fast or far you run, they're always at your heel. So much potential for the FO, but it just feels wasted. The Separatists in the Prequels had a similar problem, but that was I think on purpose, both in and out of the universe, at least in terms of their competence, or lack thereof. The Separatists, after all, were never meant to win.

I personally see Hux regaining some of his competence...but why did we let Phasma be a leader and not this guy?
https://am23.akamaized.net/tms/cnt/uplo ... /tr-8r.gif
The patron saint of loyalty and sick spins.

[The first Galactic Republic]

I definitely agree on the issue of the FO being non-threatning. Which is insane, because these guys blew up the capital of the NR and then subjugated the whole of the NR within, like, 2 weeks. They should be threatning, but it seems like all their victories are more due to their opponents shortcomings than anything else.

As for Hux, I disagree. I don't see how they can restore his character, he's always going to be a ridiculous idiot in my eyes.



This is indeed reasonable, especially if we were looking at events in the backstory of the ST. But, in the story itself, this can't work, because there are no competent villains to balance him out. Snoke makes Palpatine look humble and grounded, Ren is impulsive and erratic, and even in his better moments he doesn't seem particularly bright, and there's Phasma, who is not only incompetent but cowardly. There is a serious problem when the most competent opponent your heroes face is a tossup between traffic cops and this guy. I'm not joking here, the cops on Canto Bight and NAZI BB8 are the most effective opponents our heroes face in the ST. The only people who cause more problems for the heroes are the heroes themselves, but that's a whole other issue.



I could see this working. Even if incompetent, zeal could give the FO a sort relentlessness that allows them to serve as a legitimate threat. Sure, the heroes can outsmart them, even outfight them, but the FO always has more to throw at them, more men, more ships; they just keep coming, no matter how much you fight, however fast or far you run, they're always at your heel. So much potential for the FO, but it just feels wasted. The Separatists in the Prequels had a similar problem, but that was I think on purpose, both in and out of the universe, at least in terms of their competence, or lack thereof. The Separatists, after all, were never meant to win.

I personally see Hux regaining some of his competence...but why did we let Phasma be a leader and not this guy?
https://am23.akamaized.net/tms/cnt/uplo ... /tr-8r.gif
The patron saint of loyalty and sick spins.

Phasma is good at not dying.

[Ameriganastan]

Phasma is the Boba Fett of this trilogy. Looks cool, but does next to nothing.

[Ism]

I personally see Hux regaining some of his competence...but why did we let Phasma be a leader and not this guy?
https://am23.akamaized.net/tms/cnt/uplo ... /tr-8r.gif
The patron saint of loyalty and sick spins.

Alas, he was taken too soon.

Phasma is the Boba Fett of this trilogy. Looks cool, but does next to nothing.

I really don't like this comparison. Boba Fett is instrumental in the Empire tracking the Falcon to Bespin and delivers Han to Jabba. Phasma not only helps the Resistance destroy Starkiller Base, she bungles the execution of Finn and Rose, which allows them to escape, an escape during which she (probably) died. Fett's not winning awards for stellar writing or anything, but he's not even close to the screw-up that is Phasma. He didn't just look cool, he actually accomplished his goals, whereas Phasma fails at literally everything she is charged with.

[Ameriganastan]

I really don't like this comparison. Boba Fett is instrumental in the Empire tracking the Falcon to Bespin and delivers Han to Jabba. Phasma not only helps the Resistance destroy Starkiller Base, she bungles the execution of Finn and Rose, which allows them to escape, an escape during which she (probably) died. Fett's not winning awards for stellar writing or anything, but he's not even close to the screw-up that is Phasma. He didn't just look cool, he actually accomplished his goals, whereas Phasma fails at literally everything she is charged with.

One of these two characters was killed by a blind guy...

[Ism]

Alas, he was taken too soon.



I really don't like this comparison. Boba Fett is instrumental in the Empire tracking the Falcon to Bespin and delivers Han to Jabba. Phasma not only helps the Resistance destroy Starkiller Base, she bungles the execution of Finn and Rose, which allows them to escape, an escape during which she (probably) died. Fett's not winning awards for stellar writing or anything, but he's not even close to the screw-up that is Phasma. He didn't just look cool, he actually accomplished his goals, whereas Phasma fails at literally everything she is charged with.

She should be fired, she's not the intelligent villain star wars usually has.

She's a cartoon villain.

Well, to be fair, Palpatine was fairly cartoonish in ROTJ and ROTS. I do think he can't compare to Snoke or Phasma in terms of cartoon villainy though.

As for her being fired...

[Ism]

I really don't like this comparison. Boba Fett is instrumental in the Empire tracking the Falcon to Bespin and delivers Han to Jabba. Phasma not only helps the Resistance destroy Starkiller Base, she bungles the execution of Finn and Rose, which allows them to escape, an escape during which she (probably) died. Fett's not winning awards for stellar writing or anything, but he's not even close to the screw-up that is Phasma. He didn't just look cool, he actually accomplished his goals, whereas Phasma fails at literally everything she is charged with.

One of these two characters was killed by a blind guy...

And he's the competent one. Says a lot, I know.

[Vassenor]

Phasma is the Boba Fett of this trilogy. Looks cool, but does next to nothing.

And getting unkilled because of fanboy rage.

[Ism]

Phasma is the Boba Fett of this trilogy. Looks cool, but does next to nothing.

And getting unkilled because of fanboy rage.

Has Abrams said he intended to kill off Phasma in TFA? Because I've never gotten that impression.

[The first Galactic Republic]

I like the idea of Phasma supposedly dying in increasingly unique ways only to somehow come back each time.

It would set her apart.

[Fedel]

I like the idea of Phasma supposedly dying in increasingly unique ways only to somehow come back each time.

It would set her apart.

Jason, Chucky and Freddy would beg to differ.

[The first Galactic Republic]

I like the idea of Phasma supposedly dying in increasingly unique ways only to somehow come back each time.

It would set her apart.

Jason, Chucky and Freddy would beg to differ.

I’ve yet to see it in a standard action franchise. It wouldn’t even be a plot point either. Just Phasma always showing up again.

Phasma left with angry Wampas.

Back.

Phasma falls into superweapon reactor.

Back.

[Fedel]

Jason, Chucky and Freddy would beg to differ.

I’ve yet to see it in a standard action franchise. It wouldn’t even be a plot point either. Just Phasma always showing up again.

Phasma left with angry Wampas.

Back.

Phasma falls into superweapon reactor.

Back.

Little too satirical for my tastes.

[Honkworld]

Many complain about the prequels. At least they didn't have SJW propaganda that they have in the modern Disney™ Star Wars movies. Rey is instantly able to door cool things with the force just because she's a woman, while Luke had to train for the entire second movie just to be able to barely defeat the emperor in the third movie.

And don't get me started on the fake "diversity". More black people and women isn't diverse. They just want less white men in the movie.

Smells like Summer Cringe

>non-binary
>aspergers syndrome
>anarchist

Many complain about the prequels. At least they didn't have SJW propaganda that they have in the modern Disney™ Star Wars movies. Rey is instantly able to door cool things with the force just because she's a woman, while Luke had to train for the entire second movie just to be able to barely defeat the emperor in the third movie.

And don't get me started on the fake "diversity". More black people and women isn't diverse. They just want less white men in the movie.

As long as people like you exist, so-called "forced" diversity must remain. It's fewer whites btw, not less. If this drives you away, I'd like to see fewer white men in SW movies.

Disney movies are the most successful SW products, especially the sequels. People like them. They are the only movies I've paid for and I'm going to watch ep. 9 as soon as it comes out. What they bring is here to stay.

Lol this is exactly what the establishment wants. Good job.

[Lord Dominator]

I like the idea of Phasma supposedly dying in increasingly unique ways only to somehow come back each time.

It would set her apart.

This does indeed, sound excellent.

Smells like Summer Cringe

>non-binary
>aspergers syndrome
>anarchist

Oddly, such characteristics do not in fact mean you didn't say things typically associated with the cringefest of summer.

[The Biggles Syndicate]

I honestly think one of the biggest problems with the Sequels is that it recycles the Empire and Rebels almost entirely through the First Order and Resistance, respectively. At least the Prequels, despite their numerous problems, gave us somewhat different factions like the Republic and Confederacy.

[Impaled Nazarene]

I like the idea of Phasma supposedly dying in increasingly unique ways only to somehow come back each time.

It would set her apart.

This does indeed, sound excellent.

>non-binary
>aspergers syndrome
>anarchist

Oddly, such characteristics do not in fact mean you didn't say things typically associated with the cringefest of summer.

Do not feed those unwilling to contribute to the discussion.

[Lord Dominator]

This does indeed, sound excellent.
Oddly, such characteristics do not in fact mean you didn't say things typically associated with the cringefest of summer.

Do not feed those unwilling to contribute to the discussion.

Not posting produces a fatal system error I'm afraid

[Chan Island]

I honestly think one of the biggest problems with the Sequels is that it recycles the Empire and Rebels almost entirely through the First Order and Resistance, respectively. At least the Prequels, despite their numerous problems, gave us somewhat different factions like the Republic and Confederacy.

It's especially glaring because the expanded universe in legends did have unique factions arise from the collapse of the empire, which different philosophies and weapons making things interesting.