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The Huskar Social Union wrote:Gimme a fucking trailer already damn you

mood af

honestly I'm nervous for episode 9 but still excited as a SW fan. very nervously excited

just give me Vader and Obi-Wan force ghosts and it will be a good movie.

Apparently, Anakin's force ghost is supposed to appear in Episode 9 but that's just a rumor. Damn, I wanna see Hayden in Star Wars again.

Edit: So far, there are quite a few sites claiming we'll see Anakin/Vader but there's no real evidence of that. That's a shame

Bloodshade wrote:Apparently, Anakin's force ghost is supposed to appear in Episode 9 but that's just a rumor. Damn, I wanna see Hayden in Star Wars again.

Edit: So far, there are quite a few sites claiming we'll see Anakin/Vader but there's no real evidence of that. That's a shame

Honestly I never cared for Anakin becoming one with the force like that, he does ONE good thing for his own son after decades of serving a genocidal and tyrannical empire and suddenly he's redeemed?
Yeah no, I don't buy it.

Genivaria wrote:

Bloodshade wrote:Apparently, Anakin's force ghost is supposed to appear in Episode 9 but that's just a rumor. Damn, I wanna see Hayden in Star Wars again.

Edit: So far, there are quite a few sites claiming we'll see Anakin/Vader but there's no real evidence of that. That's a shame

Honestly I never cared for Anakin becoming one with the force like that, he does ONE good thing for his own son after decades of serving a genocidal and tyrannical empire and suddenly he's redeemed?
Yeah no, I don't buy it.

Yeah. I think the whole "Murdering a bunch of children and blowing up a planet" thing should have denied him force ghost status...course I'm not even sure how force ghosts work. Is it like Jedi heaven?

Ameriganastan wrote:

Genivaria wrote:Honestly I never cared for Anakin becoming one with the force like that, he does ONE good thing for his own son after decades of serving a genocidal and tyrannical empire and suddenly he's redeemed?
Yeah no, I don't buy it.

Yeah. I think the whole "Murdering a bunch of children and blowing up a planet" thing should have denied him force ghost status...course I'm not even sure how force ghosts work. Is it like Jedi heaven?

It's like enlightenment. When you attain the right state of mind you become one with the Force, letting you live forever effectively.

Imagine Thrawn as emperor

I can imagine the Empire living longer than under Palpatine's rule

Genivaria wrote:Honestly I never cared for Anakin becoming one with the force like that, he does ONE good thing for his own son after decades of serving a genocidal and tyrannical empire and suddenly he's redeemed?
Yeah no, I don't buy it.

Well, if Anakin didn't intervene when Sidious was about to fry Luke, the rebellion would fail and Anakin might've never gotten another chance to overcome all the hate and anger that he's been accumulating throughout all those years being Vader in order to get rid of him.

Arguably, the only reason the rebellion won was because of Anakin's sacrifice. It was his destiny to bring balance even though the Force decided to pull a cruel prank on the Galaxy through Vader. Still, Vader was nothing more than a mindless puppet of Sidious.

Ameriganastan wrote: Yeah. I think the whole "Murdering a bunch of children and blowing up a planet" thing should have denied him force ghost status...course I'm not even sure how force ghosts work. Is it like Jedi heaven?

It's a secret technique/training that the Jedi can undergo to become 'Force Ghosts'. According to Lucas, the Sith can't do such a thing because they're materialistic. In the EU though, being a Force Ghost is not exclusive to the Jedi and there are other techniques but I won't delve into that as it's going to be confusing.

Genivaria wrote:

Bloodshade wrote:Apparently, Anakin's force ghost is supposed to appear in Episode 9 but that's just a rumor. Damn, I wanna see Hayden in Star Wars again.

Edit: So far, there are quite a few sites claiming we'll see Anakin/Vader but there's no real evidence of that. That's a shame

Honestly I never cared for Anakin becoming one with the force like that, he does ONE good thing for his own son after decades of serving a genocidal and tyrannical empire and suddenly he's redeemed?
Yeah no, I don't buy it.

Well, yeah, that's how it happens. He returned to the Light Side of the Force and destroys the Sith.

Genivaria wrote:

Bloodshade wrote:Apparently, Anakin's force ghost is supposed to appear in Episode 9 but that's just a rumor. Damn, I wanna see Hayden in Star Wars again.

Edit: So far, there are quite a few sites claiming we'll see Anakin/Vader but there's no real evidence of that. That's a shame

Honestly I never cared for Anakin becoming one with the force like that, he does ONE good thing for his own son after decades of serving a genocidal and tyrannical empire and suddenly he's redeemed?
Yeah no, I don't buy it.

Now, there is a difference between redemption, which Anakin achieves, and forgiveness, which is much more subjective. He is redeemed because he rejects the Dark Side, but he is not forgiven by the galaxy at large. Leia was forced out of government because she is his daughter, remember, most people just see him as the murderous tyrant. Arguably, Luke is the only one who really forgives him, excepting Padme, Obi-Wan, Yoda and presumably Qui-Gon, who are all dead. I think it would have been great for the ST to have his force ghost trying to fix some of his mistakes as a means of penance, primarily trying to pull Ben out of the Dark Side's grip, refusing to move on, to see Padme again, until he had done so, that would have shown he had earned some measure of forgiveness.

The 1st Galactic Empire wrote:Imagine Thrawn as emperor

I can imagine the Empire living longer than under Palpatine's rule

This is a trufact. Also you have an awesome flag good sir.

Ameriganastan wrote:

Genivaria wrote:Honestly I never cared for Anakin becoming one with the force like that, he does ONE good thing for his own son after decades of serving a genocidal and tyrannical empire and suddenly he's redeemed?
Yeah no, I don't buy it.

Yeah. I think the whole "Murdering a bunch of children and blowing up a planet" thing should have denied him force ghost status...course I'm not even sure how force ghosts work. Is it like Jedi heaven?

Basically I think Vader hadn't yet earned his redemption, but I'd accept his dying act being his first step back to the light.
The force putting him in a sort of 'limbo' until he earns his respect would've been better imo.

Ism wrote:

Genivaria wrote:Honestly I never cared for Anakin becoming one with the force like that, he does ONE good thing for his own son after decades of serving a genocidal and tyrannical empire and suddenly he's redeemed?
Yeah no, I don't buy it.

Now, there is a difference between redemption, which Anakin achieves, and forgiveness, which is much more subjective. He is redeemed because he rejects the Dark Side, but he is not forgiven by the galaxy at large. Leia was forced out of government because she is his daughter, remember, most people just see him as the murderous tyrant. Arguably, Luke is the only one who really forgives him, excepting Padme, Obi-Wan, Yoda and presumably Qui-Gon, who are all dead. I think it would have been great for the ST to have his force ghost trying to fix some of his mistakes as a means of penance, primarily trying to pull Ben out of the Dark Side's grip, refusing to move on, to see Padme again, until he had done so, that would have shown he had earned some measure of forgiveness.

It was easy for Luke, he never saw the atrocities that Vader commits.

Genivaria wrote:

The 1st Galactic Empire wrote:Imagine Thrawn as emperor

I can imagine the Empire living longer than under Palpatine's rule

This is a trufact. Also you have an awesome flag good sir.

Why thank you

Genivaria wrote:

Ameriganastan wrote:Yeah. I think the whole "Murdering a bunch of children and blowing up a planet" thing should have denied him force ghost status...course I'm not even sure how force ghosts work. Is it like Jedi heaven?

Basically I think Vader hadn't yet earned his redemption, but I'd accept his dying act being his first step back to the light.
The force putting him in a sort of 'limbo' until he earns his respect would've been better imo.

Ism wrote:
Now, there is a difference between redemption, which Anakin achieves, and forgiveness, which is much more subjective. He is redeemed because he rejects the Dark Side, but he is not forgiven by the galaxy at large. Leia was forced out of government because she is his daughter, remember, most people just see him as the murderous tyrant. Arguably, Luke is the only one who really forgives him, excepting Padme, Obi-Wan, Yoda and presumably Qui-Gon, who are all dead. I think it would have been great for the ST to have his force ghost trying to fix some of his mistakes as a means of penance, primarily trying to pull Ben out of the Dark Side's grip, refusing to move on, to see Padme again, until he had done so, that would have shown he had earned some measure of forgiveness.

It was easy for Luke, he never saw the atrocities that Vader commits.

Eh, he saw the remnants of the planet Vader helped blow up, the person (Leia) he tortured, him killing Kenobi, his torture of Han and company on Cloud City, had his hand cut off by Vader, and finally had Vader threaten to torture Leia until she turns to the Dark Side. He didn't see all of Vader's crimes, sure, but he saw a number of them and suffered at his hands personally. There's really no way Luke could fail to acknowledge his father's evilness. He was just able to see the bit of good still left in him, and believed that was enough.

So can only people who are light side users (or who go back to the light side ala darth vader) be force ghosts? Can dark side users not do it at all? Or do they have their own thing that they can do, because in Clone wars yoda saw a ghost esque thing of a long dead sith lord who talked to him at one point im near certain.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:So can only people who are light side users (or who go back to the light side ala darth vader) be force ghosts? Can dark side users not do it at all? Or do they have their own thing that they can do, because in Clone wars yoda saw a ghost esque thing of a long dead sith lord who talked to him at one point im near certain.

Sith ghosts have been part of the EU for some time now iirc.
Think the Yoda talking to a Sith ghost was actually Darth Bane, but it was preprod footage released from episodes that were never aired before the show was cancelled, so I'm not sure they'd count as "canon".

Alvecia wrote:

The Huskar Social Union wrote:So can only people who are light side users (or who go back to the light side ala darth vader) be force ghosts? Can dark side users not do it at all? Or do they have their own thing that they can do, because in Clone wars yoda saw a ghost esque thing of a long dead sith lord who talked to him at one point im near certain.

Sith ghosts have been part of the EU for some time now iirc.
Think the Yoda talking to a Sith ghost was actually Darth Bane, but it was preprod footage released from episodes that were never aired before the show was cancelled, so I'm not sure they'd count as "canon".

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Season 6 is most definitely canon, I assure you on that fact.

Fedel wrote:Snip

Care to give specifics? Because this can basically be boiled down to "stuff is subjective so I might disagree." And...sure. But we can't tell whose opinion is better grounded in the text until you start actually responding to what I've said (though, I have not in fact spoken about facial expressions at all, so don't worry yourself about that).

New haven america wrote:I seems that my argument has fallen upon deaf ears, for the 100th or so time.

Certainly, I've missed whatever argument you were making. This just seems like an assertion that a movie is bad and a demand that I shut up about all the reasons I think it's good.

New haven america wrote:

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:S3E2:

If you haven't figured it out yet, TCW's an anthology series.

Also, there's a reason for the wonkiness, and that's because they didn't have much funding/money at the start of the series, so they had to make the easier to make episodes first and have the harder to make episode later.

I know. I've discussed why I think this format is bad before. But whatever you think of the format's merits, you have to admit that doing episode 2 in a trilogy, waiting forty episodes, and then doing episodes 1 and 3 is insane. If the budget made it impossible to do it a sensible way, just...don't do it?

Northern Davincia wrote:

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:I think this is another case of getting distracted by the worldbuilding. Yes, Rey gets stronger in the Force, but she also went through that self-esteem arc I outlined. Unless you mean "stronger" in a more general emotional sense, but that would describe virtually all non-tragic arcs, so you couldn't possibly object to that unless you object to fiction in general.

This is the sort of thing I find so incredibly confusing. Best case scenario, you can't see a critical part of the film. Worst case, you have a wildly unorthodox approach to understanding fiction.

You don't need a tragic arc to have character flaws that initially make a character weak. When I refer to her strength, I am speaking of a quality independent of worldbuilding.
Han Solo is physically adept as a character, but his own arrogance holds him back. It takes time to get over. Tell me, what flaws does Rey have as a person? Emotionally, she's strong from the get-go.

Oh, I give up.

Genivaria wrote:

Ameriganastan wrote:Yeah. I think the whole "Murdering a bunch of children and blowing up a planet" thing should have denied him force ghost status...course I'm not even sure how force ghosts work. Is it like Jedi heaven?

Basically I think Vader hadn't yet earned his redemption, but I'd accept his dying act being his first step back to the light.
The force putting him in a sort of 'limbo' until he earns his respect would've been better imo.

Ism wrote:
Now, there is a difference between redemption, which Anakin achieves, and forgiveness, which is much more subjective. He is redeemed because he rejects the Dark Side, but he is not forgiven by the galaxy at large. Leia was forced out of government because she is his daughter, remember, most people just see him as the murderous tyrant. Arguably, Luke is the only one who really forgives him, excepting Padme, Obi-Wan, Yoda and presumably Qui-Gon, who are all dead. I think it would have been great for the ST to have his force ghost trying to fix some of his mistakes as a means of penance, primarily trying to pull Ben out of the Dark Side's grip, refusing to move on, to see Padme again, until he had done so, that would have shown he had earned some measure of forgiveness.

It was easy for Luke, he never saw the atrocities that Vader commits.

It's not about redemption, it's about the state of mind.

On trailers and titles, Anthony Daniels tweeted this, so who knows.

I can't imagine we'll get a trailer this soon, but a title seems very possible.

New haven america wrote:

Alvecia wrote:Sith ghosts have been part of the EU for some time now iirc.
Think the Yoda talking to a Sith ghost was actually Darth Bane, but it was preprod footage released from episodes that were never aired before the show was cancelled, so I'm not sure they'd count as "canon".

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Season 6 is most definitely canon, I assure you on that fact.

I haven't actually watched it. I just thought it was unaired stuff that was partially animated. Must be thinking of something else

S3E3:
Me: Ugh, the summary says it's a Jar Jar episode. Still, I'll grit my teeth and--

Intro: Where there's a will, there's a way.

Me:

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:S3E3:
Me: Ugh, the summary says it's a Jar Jar episode. Still, I'll grit my teeth and--

Intro: Where there's a will, there's a way.

Me:

(Image)

Are you watching The Gungan General?

Pax Nerdvana wrote:

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:S3E3:
Me: Ugh, the summary says it's a Jar Jar episode. Still, I'll grit my teeth and--

Intro: Where there's a will, there's a way.

Me:

(Image)

Are you watching The Gungan General?

No, it's called Supply Lines. And I'm not watching it just yet, because screw that.

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:

Pax Nerdvana wrote:Are you watching The Gungan General?

No, it's called Supply Lines. And I'm not watching it just yet, because screw that.

Oh, I remember that episode.

Alvecia wrote:

New haven america wrote:…

Season 6 is most definitely canon, I assure you on that fact.

I haven't actually watched it. I just thought it was unaired stuff that was partially animated. Must be thinking of something else

The unfinished animatics are also canon.