Star Wars: The Force Shall Free Us All

[Alvecia]

Rebels has some incredible moments, and the Kenobi/Maul fight is probably one of the most faithful to the OT and it's influences since the OT itself. I loved it.

[Ameriganastan]

Rebels has some incredible moments, and the Kenobi/Maul fight is probably one of the most faithful to the OT and it's influences since the OT itself. I loved it.

Oh, right. Cause I totally remember Darth Maul losing in, literally not figuratively, under 10 seconds in Phantom Menace.

Which was just the completion of how every ounce of cool was sapped out of him back in that even shitter Clone Wars cartoon.

[Alvecia]

Rebels has some incredible moments, and the Kenobi/Maul fight is probably one of the most faithful to the OT and it's influences since the OT itself. I loved it.

Oh, right. Cause I totally remember Darth Maul losing in, literally not figuratively, under 10 seconds in Phantom Menace.

Which was just the completion of how every ounce of cool was sapped out of him back in that even shitter Clone Wars cartoon.

You know, I'm surprised you actually do anything. Cause it seems to be everything you're involved in, you hate. Have you tried not watching things? It might improve your disposition.

Regardless, Maul's appearance in Rebels, and subsequent death are, in my opinion, far better than anything he did in TPM.

That you're under the impression that Maul and Kenobi's fight should have been anything like their fight in TPM really just goes to show how little you've actually watched/paid attention to their arcs and progression since then. Maul's death is the perfect culmination of their long history.

[Ameriganastan]

Regardless, Maul's appearance in Rebels, and subsequent death are, in my opinion, far better than anything he did in TPM.

That you're under the impression that Maul and Kenobi's fight should have been anything like their fight in TPM really just goes to show how little you've actually watched/paid attention to their arcs and progression since then. Maul's death is the perfect culmination of their long history.

Yes, so perfect. A character once so totally cool, reduced to some generic bad guy with robot legs who loses a fight to an old man.

Such a great sendoff for him.

[Alvecia]

Regardless, Maul's appearance in Rebels, and subsequent death are, in my opinion, far better than anything he did in TPM.

That you're under the impression that Maul and Kenobi's fight should have been anything like their fight in TPM really just goes to show how little you've actually watched/paid attention to their arcs and progression since then. Maul's death is the perfect culmination of their long history.

Yes, so perfect. A character once so totally cool, reduced to some generic bad guy with robot legs who loses a fight to an old man.

Such a great sendoff for him.

>TCW Maul
>Rebels Maul
>generic

sure mate, keep telling yourself that.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Regardless, Maul's appearance in Rebels, and subsequent death are, in my opinion, far better than anything he did in TPM.

That you're under the impression that Maul and Kenobi's fight should have been anything like their fight in TPM really just goes to show how little you've actually watched/paid attention to their arcs and progression since then. Maul's death is the perfect culmination of their long history.

Yes, so perfect. A character once so totally cool, reduced to some generic bad guy with robot legs who loses a fight to an old man.

Such a great sendoff for him.

You say that as if he wasn't generic in episode 1.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Rebels has some incredible moments, and the Kenobi/Maul fight is probably one of the most faithful to the OT and it's influences since the OT itself. I loved it.

Oh, right. Cause I totally remember Darth Maul losing in, literally not figuratively, under 10 seconds in Phantom Menace.

Which was just the completion of how every ounce of cool was sapped out of him back in that even shitter Clone Wars cartoon.

Symbolism? Themes? Pssh, where’s my C H O R E O G R A P H Y

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Yes, so perfect. A character once so totally cool, reduced to some generic bad guy with robot legs who loses a fight to an old man.

Such a great sendoff for him.

You say that as if he wasn't generic in episode 1.

Well, a generic villain still usually gets to say quite a bit and has some kind of personality. So in that sense, Darth Maul was incredibly subversive.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

You say that as if he wasn't generic in episode 1.

Well, a generic villain still usually gets to say quite a bit and has some kind of personality. So in that sense, Darth Maul was incredibly subversive.

His entire existence was just looking cool and opposing the Jedi. That's pretty simple and generic.

He's the Boba Fett of the prequels.

[The first Galactic Republic]

As much as I don’t generally like YouTube reviewers, I think the Plinkett Test is genuinely pretty useful. You have to describe a character without mentioning their appearance, their costume and equipment, and their role in the movie.

Without those things Darth Maul is just... there. His role in the movie could have been filled by a sufficiently advanced battle droid and it wouldn’t have changed the plot. Darth Maul in The Clone Wars and Rebels is an actual character with a brain.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Well, a generic villain still usually gets to say quite a bit and has some kind of personality. So in that sense, Darth Maul was incredibly subversive.

His entire existence was just looking cool and opposing the Jedi. That's pretty simple and generic.

He's the Boba Fett of the prequels.

Yeah, but most generic villains would get a monologue about wanting to rule the galaxy or taking revenge for how they've been mistreated or whatever. They might have a go at the heroes, throw out some taunts, brag. Darth Maul didn't even get that.

Sidious, Snoke, Grievous, and Dooku are generic. Boba and Maul are rather weaker than that.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

As much as I don’t generally like YouTube reviewers, I think the Plinkett Test is genuinely pretty useful. You have to describe a character without mentioning their appearance, their costume and equipment, and their role in the movie.

Without those things Darth Maul is just... there. His role in the movie could have been filled by a sufficiently advanced battle droid and it wouldn’t have changed the plot. Darth Maul in The Clone Wars and Rebels is an actual character with a brain.

I honestly don't think Maul could have been replaced with a Droid, his appearance is what tipped the Jedi to a possible return of the Sith.
Honestly there isn't much that could be done without altering the plot, the entire story was primarily about the main characters attempting to break the occupation of Naboo, which the Sith subplot is secondary to. The question to me is how to make Maul interact with the other antagonists more.

As he stands, he's more like a horror villain imo.

[The first Galactic Republic]

As much as I don’t generally like YouTube reviewers, I think the Plinkett Test is genuinely pretty useful. You have to describe a character without mentioning their appearance, their costume and equipment, and their role in the movie.

Without those things Darth Maul is just... there. His role in the movie could have been filled by a sufficiently advanced battle droid and it wouldn’t have changed the plot. Darth Maul in The Clone Wars and Rebels is an actual character with a brain.

I honestly don't think Maul could have been replaced with a Droid, his appearance is what tipped the Jedi to a possible return of the Sith.
Honestly there isn't much that could be done without altering the plot, the entire story was primarily about the main characters attempting to break the occupation of Naboo, which the Sith subplot is secondary to. The question to me is how to make Maul interact with the other antagonists more.

As he stands, he's more like a horror villain imo.

That’s a good point about his connection to the Sith.

But he really was a throw away character.

[Jolthig]

Rebels has some incredible moments, and the Kenobi/Maul fight is probably one of the most faithful to the OT and it's influences since the OT itself. I loved it.

There's also vader against ahsoka.

I hope sometime, they do something where anakin's force spirit apologizes to ahsoka.

[Jolthig]

She got better as the show went on and was good in Rebels.

You're missing my point here. The council didn't trust Anakin as far as they could throw him. So why would they let him have an apprentice? It's a complete logic gap.

Also, there's nothing good about Rebels.

I think Yoda made it pretty clear he wanted to help Anakin mature a little by handing him a padawan.

[Revanchism]

Rebels has some incredible moments, and the Kenobi/Maul fight is probably one of the most faithful to the OT and it's influences since the OT itself. I loved it.

There's also vader against ahsoka.

I hope sometime, they do something where anakin's force spirit apologizes to ahsoka.

To be honest, that's why I was never in favor of Ashoka. Too many "Well if she's his apprentice, then why...?"s to have to explain and jam into the already crowded backstory.

[Impaled Nazarene]

To be honest Ashoka had a huge cop out. It would have been the perfect ending to the clone wars to have anakin kill her but Lucasarts has always been weak about this.

Rebels was fine even if i haven't seen most of it (because uni and my dvr crashed causing me to lose the 2 or so seasons of unwatched content). The moments, episodes, and arcs where they could be mature about the content made it some of the best star wars to ever exist. If not for the struggle with maturity whether its disneys fault or not it would have been a show with next to no hate.

I am in agreement that the period between 3 and 4 being a bit too crowded kinda gets screwy. Which is funny because it is the second longest gaps between movies so it should have enough room.

Though despite my praise for it I have several large issues with what has happened with Rebels and other medium. Too many force users. Obviously the galaxy is waaaaaaaaaaay too huge to have only 4.5 powerful force users (Luke, Vader, Palpatine, Yoda, and Leia) but what a lot of content both in the movies and the EU both old and slightly new suggest is that Vader and Palpatine are the only realized force users in the empire and that the purge was pretty fucking successful in wiping out jedi and significant force sensitives across most of the charted and space-borne galaxy. The inquisitors being more than lightsaber duelists kinda feels weird. Kanan makes sense though. Those that managed to survive the purge regardless of rank and power switched off the lightsaber and all but abandoned the force.

Though honestly this franchise's lore is a fucking trainwreck even after the eu purge and whatever counts as disney's retcon

[Ameriganastan]

As much as I don’t generally like YouTube reviewers, I think the Plinkett Test is genuinely pretty useful. You have to describe a character without mentioning their appearance, their costume and equipment, and their role in the movie.

Without those things Darth Maul is just... there. His role in the movie could have been filled by a sufficiently advanced battle droid and it wouldn’t have changed the plot. Darth Maul in The Clone Wars and Rebels is an actual character with a brain.

Darth Maul was Darth Maul. I remember as a kid how badass this bit in that commercial was. That's Darth Maul. That thing in those cartoons was a joke.

There's also vader against ahsoka.

Oh, and let me guess. Vader flips around like some super Sith all fight. That's one of my other problems with the EU. Vader wasn't what you'd call graceful. He was a big, menacing dude. But in every EU thing from games to books, he jumps around like he's not a multiple limb amputee in a full body life support system.

I think Yoda made it pretty clear he wanted to help Anakin mature a little by handing him a padawan.

And they did that by giving him the most immature ass one they could find? Yeah, Yoda sure was on the ball with that one.

[The Biggles Syndicate]

2. wrong

Right. That show is garbage. MC sucks, the Boba Fett wannabe chick was such a tryhard attempt at cool ("Ooh, I have different colors in my hair and colorful armor! I'm so xtreme!"), it had the most ass retarded lightsaber design ever, they bitched Darth Maul in under 5 seconds to old Obi-Wan...the whole goddamn show is a travesty. Just typical badly written EU crap.

He tried to out-General Kenobi General Greivous.
And for that extremely pathetic attempt, it got sliced in two and sent down his Star Destroyer's core, and then he fell in and then the ship split in two. Man, a lot of things in Rebels split in two, don't they?

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

2. wrong

Right. That show is garbage. MC sucks, the Boba Fett wannabe chick was such a tryhard attempt at cool ("Ooh, I have different colors in my hair and colorful armor! I'm so xtreme!"), it had the most ass retarded lightsaber design ever, they bitched Darth Maul in under 5 seconds to old Obi-Wan...the whole goddamn show is a travesty. Just typical badly written EU crap.

Well I kinda agree with you but I must admit they started getting better at the end...until they offed maul.
Maul is the troll of star wars , just when you think they're about to introduce a brand new character maul strolls on in a kills off someone vital to that series plot

[The first Galactic Republic]

As much as I don’t generally like YouTube reviewers, I think the Plinkett Test is genuinely pretty useful. You have to describe a character without mentioning their appearance, their costume and equipment, and their role in the movie.

Without those things Darth Maul is just... there. His role in the movie could have been filled by a sufficiently advanced battle droid and it wouldn’t have changed the plot. Darth Maul in The Clone Wars and Rebels is an actual character with a brain.

Darth Maul was Darth Maul. I remember as a kid how badass this bit in that commercial was. That's Darth Maul. That thing in those cartoons was a joke.

There's also vader against ahsoka.

Oh, and let me guess. Vader flips around like some super Sith all fight. That's one of my other problems with the EU. Vader wasn't what you'd call graceful. He was a big, menacing dude. But in every EU thing from games to books, he jumps around like he's not a multiple limb amputee in a full body life support system.

I think Yoda made it pretty clear he wanted to help Anakin mature a little by handing him a padawan.

And they did that by giving him the most immature ass one they could find? Yeah, Yoda sure was on the ball with that one.

So Darth Maul is ideally just a stunt coordinator with some face paint? That’s a good character?

These kinds of conversations always make me raise my eyebrow when Star Wars fans on the internet complain about writing, because a good many of us truly don’t give a crap about writing. It’s just, more or less, “is this cool” or “would this be cool in a video game” hidden behind a false pretense of deep respect for the franchise.

[Ameriganastan]

So Darth Maul is ideally just a stunt coordinator with some face paint? That’s a good character?

Pretty much. I mean people liked Boba Fett for being a living background prop. I liked Maul as the uncomplicated minion.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Maul in TCW and Rebels was great imo. I liked what they did with him and im glad he was not just abandoned.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Darth Maul was Darth Maul. I remember as a kid how badass this bit in that commercial was. That's Darth Maul. That thing in those cartoons was a joke.


Oh, and let me guess. Vader flips around like some super Sith all fight. That's one of my other problems with the EU. Vader wasn't what you'd call graceful. He was a big, menacing dude. But in every EU thing from games to books, he jumps around like he's not a multiple limb amputee in a full body life support system.


And they did that by giving him the most immature ass one they could find? Yeah, Yoda sure was on the ball with that one.

So Darth Maul is ideally just a stunt coordinator with some face paint? That’s a good character?

These kinds of conversations always make me raise my eyebrow when Star Wars fans on the internet complain about writing, because a good many of us truly don’t give a crap about writing. It’s just, more or less, “is this cool” or “would this be cool in a video game” hidden behind a false pretense of deep respect for the franchise.

Star Wars fans who don't give a crap about writing?

I cannot accept that such people exist.

[New haven america]

Ahsoka was the dumbest goddamn idea the EU ever put out. And they put out a lot of stupid ideas.

"Hey, we don't trust this guy enough to grant him the rank of master...let's give him an apprentice to indoctrinate."

We've already been over this, silly.

A. Ahsoka isn't an EU character, she's canon
B. It wasn't Anakin's idea, it's was Obi-Wan and Yoda's idea to teach him responsibility and how to be a better leader
C. TCW happened before Episode III, the Jedi Council actually trusted Anakin around that time (The events of later TCW arcs actually cement why the council didn't trust him in Episode III, but beforehand most members actually at least respected him)