Star Wars: The Force Shall Free Us All

[-Ocelot-]

Vader as the Empire's boogeyman.

He was never just the Empire's boogeyman, except maaaybe in ANH.

And before that (Jedi Purge era, Rogue One). A movie would have to focus on that part of his life since the OT focuses on his redemption.

[Ameriganastan]

Vader works best in small doses. When he gets too much screentime, they wind up turning him into that frigging Super Sayain Sith crap I hate.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Vader as the Empire's boogeyman.

He was never just the Empire's boogeyman, except maaaybe in ANH.

Agreed.

[Liriena]

I was satisfied with what we got in Rogue One: brief, brutal and badass without overstaying its welcome or becoming glorified fanservice.

Rogue One was a great movie. I loved it.

Eeeeeeeeeh, I think it was a mediocre, very troubled film on a technical and writing level, with some of the best visuals and fanservice in Star Wars history.

[Liriena]

If there was going to be a Vader movie, i would like to see it based on him hunting down a surviving jedi somewhere, maybe one who has been leading a rebel cell or something, Could be cool.

I've actually discussed an idea like this one with a fellow fan more than once since Rogue One came out. It could be great.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Rogue One was a great movie. I loved it.

Eeeeeeeeeh, I think it was a mediocre, very troubled film on a technical and writing level, with some of the best visuals and fanservice in Star Wars history.

I didn't think there was much wrong on the technical side. I didn't notice anything like that.

[Liriena]

My second favorite of the new Star Wars movies. It was so beautiful. Gareth Edwards is a true artist. A master of scale.

Aside from the questionable leading character that is Jyn Erso, yes, Rogue One was awesome.

Asides from the Jyn Erso thing, I had issues with the editing on a macro level (everything after Jyn's childhood and before Jedha feels scattershot
and Eadu feels like a big black hole in the middle of the film) and characterization (Cassian and Saw Gerrera in particular were interesting as concepts but not as characters).

[Liriena]

Eeeeeeeeeh, I think it was a mediocre, very troubled film on a technical and writing level, with some of the best visuals and fanservice in Star Wars history.

I didn't think there was much wrong on the technical side. I didn't notice anything like that.

What I mean by technical is mostly the major editing and pacing decisions from scene to scene and stuff.

The editing and pacing was definitely fantastic in individual scenes and sequences, specially the action. And the third act alone is well worth the price of admission.

[Zanera]

I didn't think there was much wrong on the technical side. I didn't notice anything like that.

What I mean by technical is mostly the major editing and pacing decisions from scene to scene and stuff.

The editing and pacing was definitely fantastic in individual scenes and sequences, specially the action. And the third act alone is well worth the price of admission.

ACTION!boring...ACTION!boring...

[New haven america]

Aside from the questionable leading character that is Jyn Erso, yes, Rogue One was awesome.

Asides from the Jyn Erso thing, I had issues with the editing on a macro level (everything after Jyn's childhood and before Jedha feels scattershot
and Eadu feels like a big black hole in the middle of the film) and characterization (Cassian and Saw Gerrera in particular were interesting as concepts but not as characters).

Saw is actually really interesting if you've seen TCW and Rebels.

But that brings up another problem with the film, you need to have seen past TV shows to actually understand characters and character reasoning.

[Liriena]

What I mean by technical is mostly the major editing and pacing decisions from scene to scene and stuff.

The editing and pacing was definitely fantastic in individual scenes and sequences, specially the action. And the third act alone is well worth the price of admission.

ACTION!boring...ACTION!boring...

I'd say more like:

ACTION! that didn't add much ACTION! was that tentacled thing even necessary? ACTION! what was even the point of that section? ACTION! wait, why did this character's opinion on the Rebellion do a complete flip in just two scenes? and when did they establish a "big brother/little sister" relationship between these two? OMG X-WINGS! STAR-DESTROYERS RAMMING ONE ANOTHER! VADER!

[Liriena]

Asides from the Jyn Erso thing, I had issues with the editing on a macro level (everything after Jyn's childhood and before Jedha feels scattershot
and Eadu feels like a big black hole in the middle of the film) and characterization (Cassian and Saw Gerrera in particular were interesting as concepts but not as characters).

Saw is actually really interesting if you've seen TCW and Rebels.

But that brings up another problem with the film, you need to have seen past TV shows to actually understand characters and character reasoning.

Yeah. Not to knock on the expanded universe, but it's probably not a good idea to leave the character development to media outside of the film, specially if you want to make the character pivotal in some way to the larger story.

At least Phasma has the excuse of pretty much being the new Boba Fett, so I'm fine with her being mostly developed in novels and stuff. But Saw could have used more and better on-screen development.

Also, some of the decisions made in directing Forest Whitaker's performance were... uh... a bit cringy.

[Liriena]

Something a fellow fan and I noticed after a few viewings of Rogue One was that there is some peculiar editing during the badass Vader scene, which makes you suspect that it might have been even more brutal than we got to see. I'm talking potential beheadings, yo.

[Zanera]

Something a fellow fan and I noticed after a few viewings of Rogue One was that there is some peculiar editing during the badass Vader scene, which makes you suspect that it might have been even more brutal than we got to see. I'm talking potential beheadings, yo.

Too brutal perhaps...but that's like, nothing for Vader. He was slaughtering Jedi younglings and Tuskan children no problem when he was Anakin.

[Liriena]

Something a fellow fan and I noticed after a few viewings of Rogue One was that there is some peculiar editing during the badass Vader scene, which makes you suspect that it might have been even more brutal than we got to see. I'm talking potential beheadings, yo.

Too brutal perhaps...but that's like, nothing for Vader. He was slaughtering Jedi younglings and Tuskan children no problem when he was Anakin.

Obligatory Mr Plinkett review flashback.

[New haven america]

Saw is actually really interesting if you've seen TCW and Rebels.

But that brings up another problem with the film, you need to have seen past TV shows to actually understand characters and character reasoning.

Yeah. Not to knock on the expanded universe, but it's probably not a good idea to leave the character development to media outside of the film, specially if you want to make the character pivotal in some way to the larger story.

At least Phasma has the excuse of pretty much being the new Boba Fett, so I'm fine with her being mostly developed in novels and stuff. But Saw could have used more and better on-screen development.

Also, some of the decisions made in directing Forest Whitaker's performance were... uh... a bit cringy.

Yep, stories and characters should be able to stand alone, or else they're just not as good overall.

Saw for example, has a very interesting history. He grew up on a neutral planet that became occupied by the Separatists and was banished from his home city when him and his sister defied the puppet leader. Him and his sister then decided to start a resistance movement and received help from Obi-wan, Anakin, Ahsoka, and Rex. He then led a group of rebels to take back the planet from the Separatists, but at the cost of his sister's life, something that he was never able to move on from. Then when the Republic became the Empire, they took the planet and he then decided to fight against the Empire, but was forced to escape, which led him on several adventures throughout the Galaxy in an attempt to end the Empire. But did we get any of that info from the movie? Hahaha, no.

[New haven america]

Something a fellow fan and I noticed after a few viewings of Rogue One was that there is some peculiar editing during the badass Vader scene, which makes you suspect that it might have been even more brutal than we got to see. I'm talking potential beheadings, yo.

Too brutal perhaps...but that's like, nothing for Vader. He was slaughtering Jedi younglings and Tuskan children no problem when he was Anakin.

TCW has 4 people getting decapitated at once, so I'm sure they might've been able to sneak a beheading or 2 in there.

[Liriena]

Yeah. Not to knock on the expanded universe, but it's probably not a good idea to leave the character development to media outside of the film, specially if you want to make the character pivotal in some way to the larger story.

At least Phasma has the excuse of pretty much being the new Boba Fett, so I'm fine with her being mostly developed in novels and stuff. But Saw could have used more and better on-screen development.

Also, some of the decisions made in directing Forest Whitaker's performance were... uh... a bit cringy.

Yep, stories and characters should be able to stand alone, or else they're just not as good overall.

Saw for example, has a very interesting history. He grew up on a neutral planet that became occupied by the Separatists and was banished from his home city when him and his sister defied the puppet leader. Him and his sister then decided to start a resistance movement and received help from Obi-wan, Anakin, Ahsoka, and Rex. He then led a group of rebels to take back the planet from the Separatists, but at the cost of his sister's life, something that he was never able to move on from. Then when the Republic became the Empire, they took the planet and he then decided to fight against the Empire, but was forced to escape, which led him on several adventures throughout the Galaxy in an attempt to end the Empire. But did we get any of that info from the movie? Hahaha, no.

Hot damn.

[Zanera]

Too brutal perhaps...but that's like, nothing for Vader. He was slaughtering Jedi younglings and Tuskan children no problem when he was Anakin.

Obligatory Mr Plinkett review flashback.

He got a personality tune-up when he got the suit. He should have hugged Obi-Wan for helping him overcome the whine and the weirdness, and offered Obi-Wan to take out the Emperor with him to rule the galaxy together in A New Hope.

[Liriena]

Obligatory Mr Plinkett review flashback.

He got a personality tune-up when he got the suit. He should have hugged Obi-Wan for helping him overcome the whine and the weirdness, and offered Obi-Wan to take out the Emperor with him to rule the galaxy together in A New Hope.

But I don't ship Anakin and Obi-Wan...

[Zanera]

He got a personality tune-up when he got the suit. He should have hugged Obi-Wan for helping him overcome the whine and the weirdness, and offered Obi-Wan to take out the Emperor with him to rule the galaxy together in A New Hope.

But I don't ship Anakin and Obi-Wan...

I'd ship them in the Executor, blasting off into the galactic sunset, off on another conquest of the Chiss.

[New haven america]

Yep, stories and characters should be able to stand alone, or else they're just not as good overall.

Saw for example, has a very interesting history. He grew up on a neutral planet that became occupied by the Separatists and was banished from his home city when him and his sister defied the puppet leader. Him and his sister then decided to start a resistance movement and received help from Obi-wan, Anakin, Ahsoka, and Rex. He then led a group of rebels to take back the planet from the Separatists, but at the cost of his sister's life, something that he was never able to move on from. Then when the Republic became the Empire, they took the planet and he then decided to fight against the Empire, but was forced to escape, which led him on several adventures throughout the Galaxy in an attempt to end the Empire. But did we get any of that info from the movie? Hahaha, no.

Hot damn.

Most of that's just from The Clone Wars, there are also a few comics and a story arc in Rebels about him. Tbh, it was kinda misguided of Disney to put him in the movie, as he has such a long and fleshed out history that got completely ignored (And probably could've have been put in anyway).

[Kramania]

If there was going to be a Vader movie, i would like to see it based on him hunting down a surviving jedi somewhere, maybe one who has been leading a rebel cell or something, Could be cool.

I've actually discussed an idea like this one with a fellow fan more than once since Rogue One came out. It could be great.

In my head I always imagined it would start out some time after ANH when he dispatches Boba Fett to find out Luke's identity. Then most of the movie could be occupied by him hunting down surviving Jedi or some such Sith shit, and then end with Fett returning to tell him Luke's identity and Vader flying into a rage over the Emperor lying to him like he does in the comics.

Would be sweet.

[Pax Nerdvana]

I've actually discussed an idea like this one with a fellow fan more than once since Rogue One came out. It could be great.

In my head I always imagined it would start out some time after ANH when he dispatches Boba Fett to find out Luke's identity. Then most of the movie could be occupied by him hunting down surviving Jedi or some such Sith shit, and then end with Fett returning to tell him Luke's identity and Vader flying into a rage over the Emperor lying to him like he does in the comics.

Would be sweet.

That sounds pretty cool. I would watch that.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I would still prefer something ala rogue one with storm troopers though. I think star wars could do with even one more good straight up war movie.