Star Wars: The Force Shall Free Us All

[Valrifell]

My hand has been forced - I must now snipe the OP of this thread in the hours of night, that way nobody will be happy. Like a true compromise.

You know what, you do it i dont mind and i doubt anyone else will. I dont want this drama over a god damn OP of a thread.

No wait I was being sarcastic, come back.

[The Huskar Social Union]

You know what, you do it i dont mind and i doubt anyone else will. I dont want this drama over a god damn OP of a thread.

No wait I was being sarcastic, come back.

omg val

[Andsed]

I mean if its such a big deal who makes the next thread I could do it. I was never involved in any drama as far as I remember so I don´t think anyone here would have reason to be opposed to me doing it. I still think this whole drama is pretty silly but if it would put an end to it I can step up.

[Fedel]

I mean if its such a big deal who makes the next thread I could do it. I was never involved in any drama as far as I remember so I don´t think anyone here would have reason to be opposed to me doing it. I still think this whole drama is pretty silly but if it would put an end to it I can step up.

I'd be fine with that.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I mean if its such a big deal who makes the next thread I could do it. I was never involved in any drama as far as I remember so I don´t think anyone here would have reason to be opposed to me doing it. I still think this whole drama is pretty silly but if it would put an end to it I can step up.

Yup there we go, Andsed does the new thread.

[Andsed]

I mean if its such a big deal who makes the next thread I could do it. I was never involved in any drama as far as I remember so I don´t think anyone here would have reason to be opposed to me doing it. I still think this whole drama is pretty silly but if it would put an end to it I can step up.

I'd be fine with that.

I mean if its such a big deal who makes the next thread I could do it. I was never involved in any drama as far as I remember so I don´t think anyone here would have reason to be opposed to me doing it. I still think this whole drama is pretty silly but if it would put an end to it I can step up.

Yup there we go, Andsed does the new thread.

Alright then I´ll make a draft and throw it up once we hit 500 pages.

Now back to actual Star Wars content, did anyone else hear about those weird rumors around Pedro Pascal?

[Fedel]

Now back to actual Star Wars content, did anyone else hear about those weird rumors around Pedro Pascal?

What are the rumors?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Now back to actual Star Wars content, did anyone else hear about those weird rumors around Pedro Pascal?

What about?

Supposedly he was really hard to work with and walked out of the mandalorian and quit half way through the season but from what ive heard its a load of crap.

[Andsed]

What about?

Supposedly he was really hard to work with and walked out of the mandalorian and quit half way through the season but from what ive heard its a load of crap.

More specifically I believe the rumors were about how he was angry about the lack of actual face time due to the helmet. And yeah they were definitely complete nonsense. IIRC the rumors came from Grace Randolph who I believe has pretty sketchy record with this kind of stuff and was mainly picked up by some of these drama Youtube channels. Not really a big deal just some dumb rumors that went around.

[Fedel]

What about?

Supposedly he was really hard to work with and walked out of the mandalorian and quit half way through the season but from what ive heard its a load of crap.

That seems kind of crazy. He's the title character. I'd think Disney would do everything they could to appease him and keep him happy.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Supposedly he was really hard to work with and walked out of the mandalorian and quit half way through the season but from what ive heard its a load of crap.

That seems kind of crazy. He's the title character. I'd think Disney would do everything they could to appease him and keep him happy.

And with how he talks about the show i just wouldnt believe it. As Andsed said it was supposedly about him not wanting to wear the helmet and it all started from a youtuber but no one backed her up, id just discard it. We would have had an official statement if the main actor did leave.

[Fedel]

That seems kind of crazy. He's the title character. I'd think Disney would do everything they could to appease him and keep him happy.

And with how he talks about the show i just wouldnt believe it. As Andsed said it was supposedly about him not wanting to wear the helmet and it all started from a youtuber but no one backed her up, id just discard it. We would have had an official statement if the main actor did leave.

For sure.

[Valrifell]

Supposedly he was really hard to work with and walked out of the mandalorian and quit half way through the season but from what ive heard its a load of crap.

More specifically I believe the rumors were about how he was angry about the lack of actual face time due to the helmet. And yeah they were definitely complete nonsense. IIRC the rumors came from Grace Randolph who I believe has pretty sketchy record with this kind of stuff and was mainly picked up by some of these drama Youtube channels. Not really a big deal just some dumb rumors that went around.

The rumors are made up. Pascal actually has a reputation for be being a real stand-up guy during production, so it would be remarkably out of character for him to get pissy like that. Iirc Favreau also visited set one day and interacted with Pascal, and tweeted as much.

[The Imperial Reach]

So we're still complaining that the new canon doesn't religiously follow Traviss' vision of Mandos as unstoppable badasses and instead gave them an actual culture and nuanced development?

Ah yes, because Traviss building an entire language, showing various clans, showing the Mandalorians from a variety of perspectives, showing differences between Mandalorians, Mandos getting killed various times in the EU, literally the entire Mando culture getting built from the ground up, giving them tons of history, and all of that stuff definitely has them as unstoppable badasses without a culture. Of course it’s better to replace the word “clan” with “tribe” (but only in some projects) and give them a “helmets always on rule” (but not in every project) and call that a nuanced culture.

Change from clan to tribe is redundant and pointless. Completely unnecessary.

The rule on helmets is just dumb and makes no sense outside of combat. I could see it being an important cultural symbol or something, but the "never show your face" rule is really stupid.

[Fedel]

I do think it was a little weird for the Mando to make such a big deal about it and in the same episode take off his mask in front of a bunch of playing children.

[Valrifell]

Ah yes, because Traviss building an entire language, showing various clans, showing the Mandalorians from a variety of perspectives, showing differences between Mandalorians, Mandos getting killed various times in the EU, literally the entire Mando culture getting built from the ground up, giving them tons of history, and all of that stuff definitely has them as unstoppable badasses without a culture. Of course it’s better to replace the word “clan” with “tribe” (but only in some projects) and give them a “helmets always on rule” (but not in every project) and call that a nuanced culture.

Change from clan to tribe is redundant and pointless. Completely unnecessary.

The rule on helmets is just dumb and makes no sense outside of combat. I could see it being an important cultural symbol or something, but the "never show your face" rule is really stupid.

It's gotta get smelly in there.

[The Huskar Social Union]

"Dont take your helmet off" Makes sense in combat situations, exploration, being with strangers, visiting a city etc etc

But it doesnt make sense when you are on your own starship by yourself or with your own clan in the sewers.

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"Dont take your helmet off" Makes sense in combat situations, exploration, being with strangers, visiting a city etc etc

But it doesnt make sense when you are on your own starship by yourself or with your own clan in the sewers.

My best bet is that perhaps during this Mandalorian purge they were constantly fighting for their lives and so that helmet thing maybe arose from there? Kinda of a reach but I´m guessing we will get more insight in season 2

[Valrifell]

"Dont take your helmet off" Makes sense in combat situations, exploration, being with strangers, visiting a city etc etc

But it doesnt make sense when you are on your own starship by yourself or with your own clan in the sewers.

My best bet is that perhaps during this Mandalorian purge they were constantly fighting for their lives and so that helmet thing maybe arose from there? Kinda of a reach but I´m guessing we will get more insight in season 2

It definitely originates in the purge, since at no point previously was that ever a thing. It might have something to do with wanting to keep your identity super sekrit from the Empire, or it might just be a weird thing that Mando's particular crew/tribe he was running with picked up.

That would be really funny, actually, if they meet another Mandalorian and they're like "what the fuck are you doing, take off your helmet"

[Kassaran]

It could be a religious fundamentalist thing too. What I'd read in one review that the practice of the Mandalorian Enclave that the protagonist comes from really does seem a bit extremist. It's also the rule that you don't remove your helmet in front of others, which can seem really extensive for some, but women in Arab countries follow a similar rule. It could be a form of battledress conservatism which arose from a martial culture like the Mandalorians, and under the various Tribes/Clans, it could have become even more rigid and conservative following The Purge.

I'll be honest, I don't/didn't know much about Mando culture before the Disney takeover, but the little bits I've seen and what I remember from lore seem generally to follow from a 'squint-your-eyes' perspective. I'll be honest, Rebels doesn't interest me as I feel it borders too much on kids show for me to spend any time with. It's one of my complaints about the new Trilogy as well- that the villains are blatantly stupid and incompetent and never failed to lower my standards of them with each movie.

I was hoping that !not New Hope was going to be the last of the general franchise idiocy, but it grew only more severe. I still need to watch the new season of Clone Wars, but to be honest, I got all the highlights from YouTube and couldn't care less about actually pursuing that with my current lifestyle and tempo. Rogue One was a bit disappointing, given I was expecting it to be something more about the formation of Rogue Squadron and to feature Wedge Antilles and the old gang from the books... it did not.

Mandalorian seems to be the only one where the stakes and setting/audience fit. It stays PG by minimizing on-screen gore and violence which I'm fine with ala spaghetti-western-clutch-your-chest-and-die gunfights, but the lore explored and introduced is likewise entertaining to me.

As for the Darksaber, I believe the Imp holding it carried out the Purge and thus plundered it as a personal battle trophy. He's likely a far more sinister and darker character for Mandalorians if that's the case, being the man who carried out the genocide of their planet and systematic destruction of their way of life. His wielding the Dark Saber would be akin to Hitler bearing the Staff of Moses or the Ten Commandments.

[Bralia]

I mean if its such a big deal who makes the next thread I could do it. I was never involved in any drama as far as I remember so I don´t think anyone here would have reason to be opposed to me doing it. I still think this whole drama is pretty silly but if it would put an end to it I can step up.

Yup there we go, Andsed does the new thread.

You're a real besh bantha, you know that, right?

[The Imperial Reach]

My best bet is that perhaps during this Mandalorian purge they were constantly fighting for their lives and so that helmet thing maybe arose from there? Kinda of a reach but I´m guessing we will get more insight in season 2

It definitely originates in the purge, since at no point previously was that ever a thing. It might have something to do with wanting to keep your identity super sekrit from the Empire,

This makes the most sense to me, except the one flaw is that Mandos don't hide; they fight. Even if that means death. Even if you know 100% you're going to die. That's what it meant to be Mandalorian. At least in the old EU, anyway.

The Death Watch were an exception to this, as they were an extremist terror group. They moaned on and on about the good old days of slaying Jedi and whatnot but ultimately they had little in common with the ancient Mandalorian crusaders and neo-crusaders other than being brutal fighters. Otherwise they committed dishonorable acts or were otherwise very cowardly for Mandalorians. The Death Watch would've been considered dar'manda by the Mandos of old.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yup there we go, Andsed does the new thread.

You're a real besh bantha, you know that, right?

But

[Alvecia]

Ah yes, because Traviss building an entire language, showing various clans, showing the Mandalorians from a variety of perspectives, showing differences between Mandalorians, Mandos getting killed various times in the EU, literally the entire Mando culture getting built from the ground up, giving them tons of history, and all of that stuff definitely has them as unstoppable badasses without a culture. Of course it’s better to replace the word “clan” with “tribe” (but only in some projects) and give them a “helmets always on rule” (but not in every project) and call that a nuanced culture.

Change from clan to tribe is redundant and pointless. Completely unnecessary.

The rule on helmets is just dumb and makes no sense outside of combat. I could see it being an important cultural symbol or something, but the "never show your face" rule is really stupid.

It seems to be a recent thing, given we had plenty of helmetless Mandos in the Clone Wars, so it could be a post Purge thing, or something specific to Pedro Mando's group.

Either way, possibly something we'll see expanded upon in the 2nd season.

Also, funnily enough, it's a similar rule to that of Luchadors, where removing, or having one's mask removed in public is considered a great dishonor.

Unlike most sports, pro wrestling is unconcerned with numbers. Nobody seems to have a win-loss record. In lucha libre, the truly important matches, the bouts that make up one’s official record, are not even world championships. They are, rather, Mask vs. Mask matches, or Hair vs. Hair, or Hair vs. Mask. Luchadores wager their masks or their hair on the outcome of a fight. The mask is the more serious wager. When a wrestler is defeated and unmasked, his face is seen by the public for the first time. His name and his birthplace are published in the papers. His mask, which symbolized his honor, is retired and cannot be used again.
The loser in a Hair match is publicly shaved and humiliated, but lives to fight again. Hair grows back. Cassandro, whose hair is resplendent—it is currently dark blond and swept into what he calls his “Farrah Fawcett look” (“I’m so stuck in the seventies”)—has fought and won many Hair vs. Hair matches, as well as a couple of Hair vs. Masks. He has also lost a couple of Hair matches, including one to Hijo del Santo in the Los Angeles Sports Arena, in 2007. Videos of his public haircuts make for painful watching. Cassandro cries inconsolably and, with his cropped hair, seems to turn into a small, unhappy boy. Of course, unmasking Hijo del Santo was never going to happen. And the payday for losing that match—twenty-five thousand dollars—was a comfort.

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Watching the first episode of the Mandalorian season 2. Its pretty good so far.