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Valrifell wrote:

Andsed wrote:If that it was it I could give it a pass. But then having Luke completely give up? That is what really breaks his character for me. Luke is the type to make mistakes, but he does not just give up like that. Especially when his loved ones are in danger. If it had been Luke had traveled to Ach-To to learn from his mistake and the ancient Jedi and consider what to do and he actually trained Rey and helped the resistance then it would sit a lot better with me.

Yeah, I agree. Having him meditate on looking to the past for solutions (instead of outright giving up) could also jive with the pre-existing themes of the movie. Plus it would make the scene with Yoda burning the sacred Jedi texts from beyond the grave and Luke's reaction... make a little more sense?

As for helping the Resistance? I don't think that would have ever been in the cards, meta/production-wise. Part of the overarching themes of the first two movies (haven't seen RoS) is handing stuff to a new generation. I think having him go out as a tricksy force-hologram was probably the best it was going to get for his final ending.

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Pax Nerdvana wrote:I love the soundtrack for Republic Commando. It's up there with John Williams' SW stuff.

Kathol Rift wrote:

Pax Nerdvana wrote:I love the soundtrack for Republic Commando. It's up there with John Williams' SW stuff.

The Republic Commando soundtrack is awesome. Have you seen that YT video that mixes Vode An from Republic Commando with the Mandalorian theme, then does it in medieval style? It’s amazing. You should look it up.

Andsed wrote:

Kathol Rift wrote:The Republic Commando soundtrack is awesome. Have you seen that YT video that mixes Vode An from Republic Commando with the Mandalorian theme, then does it in medieval style? It’s amazing. You should look it up.

Just saw that one, Samuel Kim does a lot of great work.

Valrifell wrote:

Andsed wrote:Was is the correct term. Luke used to be a whiny impulsive farm boy. His whole arc was about becoming a Jedi and growing as a person. Having him revert to the same old version of himself came off lazy and really unsatisfying. Luke trying to kill Ben is not something he would do. He was willing to believe in and spare Vader who was a fucking monster. Killing his own nephew instead of talking to him and when that went wrong leaving his friends to die? That is just not something I can see Luke doing.

The movie states that he thought about for a fleeting moment and came to his senses very quickly, the whole new Jedi order was under the dark influence of whatever Snoke was doing. Sure, him doing that was uncharacteristic but that can be chalked up to external forces.

So I could give him a pass for considering it, but I do think that unsheathing your light saber was perhaps too far afield and there could have, perhaps, been a subtler way to convey that Luke secretly kinda wanted to murder him a little. It might've been neat to throw some unreliability into the narrative, too.

HC Eredivisie wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
The movie states that he thought about for a fleeting moment and came to his senses very quickly, the whole new Jedi order was under the dark influence of whatever Snoke was doing. Sure, him doing that was uncharacteristic but that can be chalked up to external forces.

So I could give him a pass for considering it, but I do think that unsheathing your light saber was perhaps too far afield and there could have, perhaps, been a subtler way to convey that Luke secretly kinda wanted to murder him a little. It might've been neat to throw some unreliability into the narrative, too.

Wasn't that Kylo's version of the story, when in reality Luke didn't had his saber drawn or do I misremember things?

The Huskar Social Union wrote:

HC Eredivisie wrote:Wasn't that Kylo's version of the story, when in reality Luke didn't had his saber drawn or do I misremember things?

There were three versions told in TLJ:

Lukes initial version that he went to talk to Kylo and Kylo attacked him, pulling the hut down around them before killing all the other jedi padawans. Luke didnt draw his lightsaber at all in this one.

Kylo's version that luke entered his hut, armed his lightsaber and then tried to kill him as he was envious/fearful of his powers. So Kylo defended himself.

And then Luke's second version, which was that he had sensed the darkside building in him for a while through his training, so he went to see him and when he was sleeping he used to the force to search Kylos thoughts. And saw all the horrible shit he thought Kylo was going to do, and that it was beyond his imagining so he had a moment of instinct/weakness where he pulled his saber out and was about to attack, but immediately realised it was the wrong decision and he fucked up. This caused Kylo to attack him as Kylo thought he was gona kill him.

HC Eredivisie wrote:

The Huskar Social Union wrote:There were three versions told in TLJ:

Lukes initial version that he went to talk to Kylo and Kylo attacked him, pulling the hut down around them before killing all the other jedi padawans. Luke didnt draw his lightsaber at all in this one.

Kylo's version that luke entered his hut, armed his lightsaber and then tried to kill him as he was envious/fearful of his powers. So Kylo defended himself.

And then Luke's second version, which was that he had sensed the darkside building in him for a while through his training, so he went to see him and when he was sleeping he used to the force to search Kylos thoughts. And saw all the horrible shit he thought Kylo was going to do, and that it was beyond his imagining so he had a moment of instinct/weakness where he pulled his saber out and was about to attack, but immediately realised it was the wrong decision and he fucked up. This caused Kylo to attack him as Kylo thought he was gona kill him.

Seems reasonable for Luke, though.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:

HC Eredivisie wrote:Seems reasonable for Luke, though.

I thought so as well. To me it made sense and i liked it as a plot point. My biggest issue is i wish we got to see more of it in the flashbacks, see Kylo being aggressive/acting differently etc during training and Luke catching on that something was wrong.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:

HC Eredivisie wrote:Seems reasonable for Luke, though.

I thought so as well. To me it made sense and i liked it as a plot point. My biggest issue is i wish we got to see more of it in the flashbacks, see Kylo being aggressive/acting differently etc during training and Luke catching on that something was wrong.

Andsed wrote:

The Huskar Social Union wrote:I thought so as well. To me it made sense and i liked it as a plot point. My biggest issue is i wish we got to see more of it in the flashbacks, see Kylo being aggressive/acting differently etc during training and Luke catching on that something was wrong.

I would have been okay with it if they had just not made Luke completely give up after. Though I still really think that just killing off the New Jedi Order and resetting everything to like they were in OT was a huge mistake that really crippled the potential of the ST.

Andsed wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
That sounds like a reasonable position. Still stand by my points but this is cool too. Not to say that andsed points where un reasonable, but that is a new perspective I didn't think of. I like it.



I still don't think it's world breaking. 1080 ships in 30 years assuming advanced quick construction methods where used is reasonable.

Plus can we talk about how it was revealed? Just like everything else in Palpatinens introduction it was fantastic.

You are displaying a grave misunderstanding how ships are built in Star Wars. They cannot just be built anywhere. Just like how one cannot make a tank or naval vessel without a factory. You need production centers like shipyards to do so en mass. No exceptions. And it takes time. In the decade or so it was around the Empire (with most of the Galaxy) made around 25,000 ISD´s. The mere idea that this tiny cult with not even 1 percent of the resasources of the Empire could build 1/25th of that numbers of ships bigger and more powerful than an ISD is absurd. No shipyard or anything of the sort are shown on Exegol. So Palpatine building over 1,000 Star Xyston Destroyers(which, again are entirely new vessels bigger than an ISD) is simply not possible. It is not only world breaking but also lazy writing. Just giving Palpatine a big fleet because he needs to be a big threat now and we clearly need more fucking planet destroyers. But no we need 1,000 planet destroyers because fuck it. It is not like that is so fucking over the top it is going to make half the audience groan and roll their fucking eyes.

The fleet is not only world breaking but is absurd and it´s mere goddamn presence makes the movie impossible to be taken with any kind of seriousness. It is like a child claiming to have 10 trillion billion soldiers. Silly, over the top and makes no goddamm sense.

Pythaga wrote:

Andsed wrote:I would have been okay with it if they had just not made Luke completely give up after. Though I still really think that just killing off the New Jedi Order and resetting everything to like they were in OT was a huge mistake that really crippled the potential of the ST.

Definitely. I understand that they wanted to stick with what worked, but I would've preferred a logical continuation of the story to what was in my mind a crappy half-remake. I think it all would've gone a whole lot better if they'd cherry-picked the best of the Thrawn Trilogy and X-Wing series and based the movies off of that.

Genivaria wrote:Is it weird that one of of my biggest issues TFA was the idiotic bombers used by the Resistance?
You're fighting in a highly technological setting IN SPACE, there's no fucking reason to use bomber designs that rely on actually FLyiNG OVER thE TARGET AND DROPPING YOUR BOMBS!
What is this WW2?

Genivaria wrote:Is it weird that one of of my biggest issues TFA was the idiotic bombers used by the Resistance?
You're fighting in a highly technological setting IN SPACE, there's no fucking reason to use bomber designs that rely on actually FLyiNG OVER thE TARGET AND DROPPING YOUR BOMBS!
What is this WW2?

Andsed wrote:

Genivaria wrote:Is it weird that one of of my biggest issues TFA was the idiotic bombers used by the Resistance?
You're fighting in a highly technological setting IN SPACE, there's no fucking reason to use bomber designs that rely on actually FLyiNG OVER thE TARGET AND DROPPING YOUR BOMBS!
What is this WW2?

For real. I thought those bombers would be like moving gun platforms with shit loads of turrets and able to take a beating. Or they like have missile racks or something. But no, they are just useless. Slow and with weak armor there is no situation where they would be really useful. You should just use Y-wings if you need bombers. They can actually make it to their target.

Also they showed up in TLJ, not TFA.

Fedel wrote:

Genivaria wrote:Is it weird that one of of my biggest issues TFA was the idiotic bombers used by the Resistance?
You're fighting in a highly technological setting IN SPACE, there's no fucking reason to use bomber designs that rely on actually FLyiNG OVER thE TARGET AND DROPPING YOUR BOMBS!
What is this WW2?

Did you mean TLJ?

Genivaria wrote:Is it weird that one of of my biggest issues TFA was the idiotic bombers used by the Resistance?
You're fighting in a highly technological setting IN SPACE, there's no fucking reason to use bomber designs that rely on actually FLyiNG OVER thE TARGET AND DROPPING YOUR BOMBS!
What is this WW2?

Ism wrote:

Genivaria wrote:Is it weird that one of of my biggest issues TFA was the idiotic bombers used by the Resistance?
You're fighting in a highly technological setting IN SPACE, there's no fucking reason to use bomber designs that rely on actually FLyiNG OVER thE TARGET AND DROPPING YOUR BOMBS!
What is this WW2?

Things like this I try to let slide, but when it's something important to the plot, as the bombers are, I just can't ignore it. The worst part is that they seem so at odds with the hit-and-run tactics one would expect the Resistance to favor.

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