Star Wars: The Force Shall Free Us All

[The first Galactic Republic]

It wasn't well explained. I honestly was kinda expecting something more. Especially with how Bendu went all prophet on him in Season 3.

"In 1 BBY, Thrawn and his fleet faced the Lothal resistance and the Spectres in their last climactic battle during the liberation of Lothal. While facing Ezra Bridger aboard his Star Destroyer the Chimaera, Thrawn's ship was attacked by purrgils and was dragged to an ambiguous fate into the hyperspace, sending both Bridger and Thrawn to the unknown, freeing Lothal from the Empire's control once and for all. At the end of the Galactic Civil War, Thrawn's knowledge of the Unknown Regions was used in part by the remnants of the Galactic Empire used to travel to the region of space, where the Empire's remnants reorganized into the First Order."

I hope Thrawn comes out of the Unknown Regions and ends the current silliness. I know that will never happen, though. He's probably dead as shit.

I’m not sure that any character really stays dead anymore.

[Pilarcraft]

"In 1 BBY, Thrawn and his fleet faced the Lothal resistance and the Spectres in their last climactic battle during the liberation of Lothal. While facing Ezra Bridger aboard his Star Destroyer the Chimaera, Thrawn's ship was attacked by purrgils and was dragged to an ambiguous fate into the hyperspace, sending both Bridger and Thrawn to the unknown, freeing Lothal from the Empire's control once and for all. At the end of the Galactic Civil War, Thrawn's knowledge of the Unknown Regions was used in part by the remnants of the Galactic Empire used to travel to the region of space, where the Empire's remnants reorganized into the First Order."

I hope Thrawn comes out of the Unknown Regions and ends the current silliness. I know that will never happen, though. He's probably dead as shit.

I’m not sure that any character really stays dead anymore.

well you have canon time travel. any character can be resurrected if you try really hard enough xD

[Ism]

"In 1 BBY, Thrawn and his fleet faced the Lothal resistance and the Spectres in their last climactic battle during the liberation of Lothal. While facing Ezra Bridger aboard his Star Destroyer the Chimaera, Thrawn's ship was attacked by purrgils and was dragged to an ambiguous fate into the hyperspace, sending both Bridger and Thrawn to the unknown, freeing Lothal from the Empire's control once and for all. At the end of the Galactic Civil War, Thrawn's knowledge of the Unknown Regions was used in part by the remnants of the Galactic Empire used to travel to the region of space, where the Empire's remnants reorganized into the First Order."

I hope Thrawn comes out of the Unknown Regions and ends the current silliness. I know that will never happen, though. He's probably dead as shit.

I’m not sure that any character really stays dead anymore.

TR8R spin-off confirmed.

[-Ocelot-]

Powers like foresight, heightened senses and having greater understanding of the world is what makes being a force sensitive really worth it. Sure, a dark side user may shoot bolts out of their hand, but then again a blaster can also spit plasma. What powers did you choose?

[Bearon Uncensored]

Question of the day:
Were the Jedi really all that good?

Nope. They were blinded by their loyalty to a corrupt government and committed heinous acts due to their blind loyalty. At worst they're ignorant accomplices. At best they were active perpetrators of a terrible system.

[Bearon Uncensored]

Powers like foresight, heightened senses and having greater understanding of the world is what makes being a force sensitive really worth it. Sure, a dark side user may shoot bolts out of their hand, but then again a blaster can also spit plasma. What powers did you choose?

I chose super speed ( on the condition that I have the enhance perception to utilize that speed ).

[Northern Davincia]

Powers like foresight, heightened senses and having greater understanding of the world is what makes being a force sensitive really worth it. Sure, a dark side user may shoot bolts out of their hand, but then again a blaster can also spit plasma. What powers did you choose?

Telekinesis strikes me as the most useful ability.

[-Ocelot-]

Question of the day:
Were the Jedi really all that good?

Some were good, some were bad. The Jedi are too ancient to say that they were this or that.

What ruined the Jedi IMO was their continuous involvement in politics. The Jedi are monks, not politicians. Getting involved in any kind of government, no matter how transparent and Democratic, would eventually force them to change their ways, which is what happens during the prequel movie era.

KOTOR 2 deals with that. In KOTOR 2, you play as a former Jedi who is exiled by the order because he/she chose to go to war. The rest of the Jedi council decided to stay put. This brings up a difficult question: Should the Jedi go against their ways and join the war effort to defend the Republic but also kill people or should they hide and avoid conflict but let innocents die? Avoiding conflict is what Jedi monks do but when said Jedi are politicians, what's the right decision?

[Pax Nerdvana]

Powers like foresight, heightened senses and having greater understanding of the world is what makes being a force sensitive really worth it. Sure, a dark side user may shoot bolts out of their hand, but then again a blaster can also spit plasma. What powers did you choose?

Telekinesis strikes me as the most useful ability.

Yeah. I would never have to get up to get a snack.

[Salus Maior]

[Alekseandrea]

Finally got around to see the last episodes of Rebels.

"The force isn't a weapon." But apparently using loth-wolves as a weapon doesn't count. Or you know, the space whales. Honestly, how can you convince THOSE to do that without the force? And Ezra's visions were used to defeat an enemy. Like that isn't using the force as a tool for warfare.
Also, isn't he supposed to respect living beings, instead of using them as a means to an end?

Ezra has mastered the hypocrisy of the jedi well.

And EVERY rebel had plot armour. Except Gregor.
Honestly, you can see imperials miss point-blank shots.

The plot follows a long history written by Disney where they write what believe to be morally correct, instead of what is narratively sound.
I don't feel like the rebels deserved their victory.

But, well, on the positive side, perhaps Thrawn survived and is getting all Ahab on the space whales.

[Zanera]

Finally got around to see the last episodes of Rebels.

"The force isn't a weapon." But apparently using loth-wolves a weapon doesn't count. Or you know, the space whales. Honestly, how can you convince THOSE to do that without the force? And Ezra's visions were used to defeat an enemy. Like that isn't using the force as a tool for warfare.
Also, isn't he supposed to respect living beings, instead of using them as means to an end?

Ezra has mastered the hypocrisy of the jedi well.

And EVERY rebel had plot armour. Except Gregor.
Honestly, you can see imperials miss point-blank shots.

The plot follows a long history written by Disney where they write what believe to be morally correct, instead of what is narratively sound.
I don't feel like the rebels deserved their victory.

But, well, on the positive side, perhaps Thrawn survived and is getting all Ahab on the space whales.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EmpireDidNothingWrong/comments/82n8dd/instead_of_being_fair_fighters_the_cowardly/?st=jenek3x8&sh=e3bcf9ce

[Cosumar]

How, exactly? Are you just one of those people that hated Rebels to begin with? To me, it felt like they pulled out all the stops to end it on a really grand note!

And everything got explained well too like where they were during the OT and connecting it in the timeline to Rogue One/ANH. No missing pieces but also left room for future stories. Plus, a few really cool details got canonized.

No, I was super excited about the concept of Rebels when it first came out. That excitement quickly died out as I realized it was a show that took the opportunity to drop oneliners at every opportunity killing the mood of situations that should have been serious. That was just the start though. The fact that the characters were never developed beyond simple archetypes was also wearing as the series went on. Then there was the villain of the week style format they adopted after killing off the best original element of the show in Season 1 ( The Grand Inquisitor ). Problems kept piling up. Some random Force mumbo jumbo introduced out of nowhere never to be seen again in season 3 ( The Bendu ), nearly all of S3 and S4 simply telling us that Thrawn is out there planning and doing stuff but never showing it, plot lines that should have had far more focus played on them shoved to the side ( Ezra being tempted by the Darkside ) and never touched again, making a mockery of Maul by making his last moments of screen time wandering the desert talking and giggling to himself like a mad man before anticlimactically being cut down in a few seconds be Kenobi ( this isn't mentioning the fact that half the Episode was devoted to Ezra and Chopper interactions ), Palpatine trying to charm Ezra after he had attempted to kill him the episode prior, Space Whales ex machina and about a million other issues.

Ok cool, so you’re just one of the people that doesn’t like Rebels. That’s fine, but it explains why you hated the finale since you also hated of the rest of it haha. I also disagree with many of your criticisms, but I’ll leave that be.

I expect most actual fans of the show would be satisfied with the ending as I was though.

Anyways, Thrawn and Ezra fall into the category of “left room for future stories” rather than well-explained with a bow tie like the other characters and storylines. I’m looking forward to seeing what became of them on the other side of whether the purgils took them.

[Alvecia]

I’m not sure that any character really stays dead anymore.

well you have canon time travel. any character can be resurrected if you try really hard enough xD

Personally I think that the kind of time travel they introduced didn't really allow for actual changing of history. It seemed implied to me that it looped, i.e.

If Ezra had saved Kanan, then he wouldn't have been around to go to the temple to enter the WbW to save Kanan.

All of that ignoring the probablility that the Kanan temptation was a ploy by Palpatine to get Ezra to pull him in

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

wow I'm one of the few people who would just rather have heightened senses.....people just don't appreciate have that extra edge that can save you in a bind.
I mean everyone is picking telekinesis.....how much does that help when something ambushes you?
Heightened senses are way more vualuable.

[Pax Nerdvana]

wow I'm one of the few people who would just rather have heightened senses.....people just don't appreciate have that extra edge that can save you in a bind.
I mean everyone is picking telekinesis.....how much does that help when something ambushes you?
Heightened senses are way more vualuable.

Push back the attacker with the Force.

[Alvecia]

wow I'm one of the few people who would just rather have heightened senses.....people just don't appreciate have that extra edge that can save you in a bind.
I mean everyone is picking telekinesis.....how much does that help when something ambushes you?
Heightened senses are way more vualuable.

Push back the attacker with the Force.

Assuming you see them coming. Not a particularly good ambush really, if you have time to react like that.

[Ism]

wow I'm one of the few people who would just rather have heightened senses.....people just don't appreciate have that extra edge that can save you in a bind.
I mean everyone is picking telekinesis.....how much does that help when something ambushes you?
Heightened senses are way more vualuable.

Happens to you often does it?

[The Huskar Social Union]

wow I'm one of the few people who would just rather have heightened senses.....people just don't appreciate have that extra edge that can save you in a bind.
I mean everyone is picking telekinesis.....how much does that help when something ambushes you?
Heightened senses are way more vualuable.

Push back the attacker with the Force.

Or lift something and throw it at them or to use as a hand weapon if you can.

[Alekseandrea]

well you have canon time travel. any character can be resurrected if you try really hard enough xD

Personally I think that the kind of time travel they introduced didn't really allow for actual changing of history. It seemed implied to me that it looped, i.e.

If Ezra had saved Kanan, then he wouldn't have been around to go to the temple to enter the WbW to save Kanan.

All of that ignoring the probablility that the Kanan temptation was a ploy by Palpatine to get Ezra to pull him in

Well while there seem to be one consistent timeline, this raises other questions.
If the past is fixed, why isn't the future?

If the action of the past are set in stone, clearly the consequences of those actions are too.
Thus, the present is caused by the past. And the present determines the future that will follow.

Thus the only point where one could influence the timeline is the present.
But, if the future isn't set in stone, how can prophecies be accurate?
In star wars they are accurate.

Thus the star wars universe must be deterministic, otherwise there would be multiple futures and prophecies could potentially be proven wrong.
Thus free will must be an illusion in said universe.

Meaning that all the choices ARE meaningless, because there was no choice in the first place.

[Dylar]

[Alvecia]

Personally I think that the kind of time travel they introduced didn't really allow for actual changing of history. It seemed implied to me that it looped, i.e.

If Ezra had saved Kanan, then he wouldn't have been around to go to the temple to enter the WbW to save Kanan.

All of that ignoring the probablility that the Kanan temptation was a ploy by Palpatine to get Ezra to pull him in

Well while there seem to be one consistent timeline, this raises other questions.
If the past is fixed, why isn't the future?

If the action of the past are set in stone, clearly the consequences of those actions are too.
Thus, the present is caused by the past. And the present determines the future that will follow.

Thus the only point where one could influence the timeline is the present.
But, if the future isn't set in stone, how can prophecies be accurate?
In star wars they are accurate.

Thus the star wars universe must be deterministic, otherwise there would be multiple futures and prophesies could potentially be proven wrong.
Thus free will must be an illusion in said universe.

Meaning that all the choices ARE meaningless, because there was no choice in the first place.

Depending on your point of view, that's an accurate representation of the real world.

I'm not entirely sold on the idea that the prophecies in Star Wars are actually accurate per se.
They're vague, and certainly some things do take place, but the context in which they do is, in my opinion, always up to interpretation, leaving the future, despite the prophecies, still very much unknown for the most part.

[Alekseandrea]

Push back the attacker with the Force.

Or lift something and throw it at them or to use as a hand weapon if you can.

Well, if you can only choose one the taming animals thing is clearly the best.
You can get an nearly unlimited amount of minions "friends"!

And the weak minded inferior beings "friends" would do anything you asked them for.

Clearly, there is more potential in that than in mere telekinesis or better senses.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Holy fuck Loth wolves kick ass.

[Ism]

Or lift something and throw it at them or to use as a hand weapon if you can.

Well, if you can only choose one the taming animals thing is clearly the best.
You can get an nearly unlimited amount of minions "friends"!

And the weak minded inferior beings "friends" would do anything you asked them for.

Clearly, there is more potential in that than in mere telekinesis or better senses.

I’m just saying, I’d rather be able to get the remote from across the room without using an animal’s mouth as a taxi service.