Star Wars: The Force Shall Free Us All

[Andsed]

Wookie slavery is pretty moronic when you think about it.

Like, how are you supposed to control an entire population of 7-10 ft tall humanoid guerrilla bears that eats mostly meat (Super expensive for slave food), have 3in long canine teeth and and up to 7in long claws, and were strong enough that the average adult male could rip a human's arm off?

Those are all really bad qualities for a slave species.

Not necessarily. The Wookies seem to be pretty tribal and thus don't have any real centers of industries and thus cannot produce things like fleets and vehicles that could stand up to things like AT-AT's. So it makes sense that the Empire would be able to overwhelm any major Wookie resistance by virtue of sheer firepower. And once that happens capturing Wookies is not to hard thanks to stun weapons and stuncuffs and shock collars rendering their superior strength irrelevant. So enslaving the Wookies would not be all that hard and the Wookies physical strength would be great for construction labor on things like the Death Star or Star Destroyers.

[Northern Davincia]

Wookie slavery is pretty moronic when you think about it.

Like, how are you supposed to control an entire population of 7-10 ft tall humanoid guerrilla bears that eats mostly meat (Super expensive for slave food), have 3in long canine teeth and and up to 7in long claws, and were strong enough that the average adult male could rip a human's arm off?

Those are all really bad qualities for a slave species.

Not necessarily. The Wookies seem to be pretty tribal and thus don't have any real centers of industries and thus cannot produce things like fleets and vehicles that could stand up to things like AT-AT's. So it makes sense that the Empire would be able to overwhelm any major Wookie resistance by virtue of sheer firepower. And once that happens capturing Wookies is not to hard thanks to stun weapons and stuncuffs and shock collars rendering their superior strength irrelevant. So enslaving the Wookies would not be all that hard and the Wookies physical strength would be great for construction labor on things like the Death Star or Star Destroyers.

One of the EU novels explained that Wookies were kept obedient by threatening their families, as Wookies are very family-centric.

[The British American Colonies]

Earlier when Sildoria had his rant about Obi Wan being an awful character or something, he mentioned all of the Jedi using “ mind rape “ I’ll admit I’m not the most knowledgeable Star Wars fan, but I haven’t heard the term used or anything like it in the movies/Clone Wars. What the hell was he talking about? Mind tricks?

[Ameriganastan]

Earlier when Sildoria had his rant about Obi Wan being an awful character or something, he mentioned all of the Jedi using “ mind rape “ I’ll admit I’m not the most knowledgeable Star Wars fan, but I haven’t heard the term used or anything like it in the movies/Clone Wars. What the hell was he talking about? Mind tricks?

Mind rape. It means fucking with someone's head in like crazy, incredibly fucked up, usually magic ways. Named after this here scene from Eva.

On a side note, I love that scene because I hated her.

[Lord Dominator]

I think we can all agree RoS was just a mess. It was by far the worst part of the sequel trilogy.

Wrong and wrong

(Not going to argue against this point, just pushing back on the broad uniformity in opinions otherwise being expressed here)

[Pax Nerdvana]

Didn't even know there were people making a fuss

Jerry Holkins and/or Mike Krahulik are the only ones I know for sure who are really concerned about it, which suggests they've never seen any of the many Wookiee Jedi who have appeared before. Or at least Tycho and Gabe haven't.

A sith wookie would be incredibly awesome!

Yeah, perhaps an ex-Slave Wookiee. In Legends, IIRC, Vader disliked the Empire's practice of Slavery as he was an ex-slave himself. He could have freed one and taken him/her as a Dark Jedi Acolyte, a Wookie version of Galen MArek.

That's a great idea. Too bad it'll never happen.

[Stanmenistan]

I mean a Jedi Wookie is cool. Can you imagine how scary a 7-foot tall man bear is already? Now give him a lightsaber and magic powers. I'd leave the Sith right after seeing that.

I'd be more like "We gotta get ourselves one of those guys"

Wookie slavery is pretty moronic when you think about it.

Like, how are you supposed to control an entire population of 7-10 ft tall humanoid guerrilla bears that eats mostly meat (Super expensive for slave food), have 3in long canine teeth and and up to 7in long claws, and were strong enough that the average adult male could rip a human's arm off?

Those are all really bad qualities for a slave species.

Not necessarily. The Wookies seem to be pretty tribal and thus don't have any real centers of industries and thus cannot produce things like fleets and vehicles that could stand up to things like AT-AT's. So it makes sense that the Empire would be able to overwhelm any major Wookie resistance by virtue of sheer firepower. And once that happens capturing Wookies is not to hard thanks to stun weapons and stuncuffs and shock collars rendering their superior strength irrelevant. So enslaving the Wookies would not be all that hard and the Wookies physical strength would be great for construction labor on things like the Death Star or Star Destroyers.

My headcanon is that Different Wookiee tribes enslaved follow Wookiees for the Empire, in exchange for advanced technology and other items from the Empire, similar to how The Atlantic Slave Trade formally began when African Tribesmen gave people of other African Tribes over to the Europeans as slaves in exchange for guns etc.

[Stanmenistan]

Jerry Holkins and/or Mike Krahulik are the only ones I know for sure who are really concerned about it, which suggests they've never seen any of the many Wookiee Jedi who have appeared before. Or at least Tycho and Gabe haven't.


Yeah, perhaps an ex-Slave Wookiee. In Legends, IIRC, Vader disliked the Empire's practice of Slavery as he was an ex-slave himself. He could have freed one and taken him/her as a Dark Jedi Acolyte, a Wookie version of Galen MArek.

That's a great idea. Too bad it'll never happen.

Never say never! Lucas lifted his moratorium on Wookiee Jedi after all.

Black Krrsantan, the Bounty Hunter Wookiee that Vader hired, is probably the closest equivalent. But I wanted an actual red lightsaber wielding, lightning throwing, bona fide dark side of Force using WOOKIEE WARRIOR!

[Salus Maior]

You know, I think Cal Kestiss has the potential of being one of the best lightsaber duelists of all time.

I can't think of anyone else who uses single saber, double-sided saber, and duel saber all in one style. That's an incredible amount of combat flexibility, and he even uses the turning off of his saber to his advantage as well.

[Jedi Council]

You know, I think Cal Kestiss has the potential of being one of the best lightsaber duelists of all time.

I can't think of anyone else who uses single saber, double-sided saber, and duel saber all in one style. That's an incredible amount of combat flexibility, and he even uses the turning off of his saber to his advantage as well.

I'm not so sure one of the best lightsaber duelists is really a fair comment just because he has a crazy lightsaber.

I mean someone like Cin Drallig and other Jedi lightsaber specialists and instructors probably had the ability to wield such weapons. Shaak Ti was shown to be able to wield an electrostaff in conjunction with her lightsaber, and AotC Anakin had at least some skill in Jar'Kai, as evidenced by his brief duel with Dooku, so it would not be a stretch to assume many Jedi at least learn the fundamentals of fighting with different weapons where needed.

[Salus Maior]

You know, I think Cal Kestiss has the potential of being one of the best lightsaber duelists of all time.

I can't think of anyone else who uses single saber, double-sided saber, and duel saber all in one style. That's an incredible amount of combat flexibility, and he even uses the turning off of his saber to his advantage as well.

I'm not so sure one of the best lightsaber duelists is really a fair comment just because he has a crazy lightsaber.

I mean someone like Cin Drallig and other Jedi lightsaber specialists and instructors probably had the ability to wield such weapons. Shaak Ti was shown to be able to wield an electrostaff in conjunction with her lightsaber, and AotC Anakin had at least some skill in Jar'Kai, as evidenced by his brief duel with Dooku, so it would not be a stretch to assume many Jedi at least learn the fundamentals of fighting with different weapons where needed.

A crazy lightsaber that he knows how to use with the skills he has.

And the difference between Cal and the others you mentioned is that he actually combines multiple styles into one rather than just knowing how to use different weapons and using them circumstantially.

Again though, I say potential. It's obvious that Cal isn't incredibly powerful even by the end of the game,he had exactly 0% chance against Vader, but he does have a combat flexibility and implements it in such a way that gives him a significant advantage. His lightsaber style is head and shoulders above other styles seen.

[New haven america]

Earlier when Sildoria had his rant about Obi Wan being an awful character or something, he mentioned all of the Jedi using “ mind rape “ I’ll admit I’m not the most knowledgeable Star Wars fan, but I haven’t heard the term used or anything like it in the movies/Clone Wars. What the hell was he talking about? Mind tricks?

Yes.

He was also referencing Evangelion and anime as a whole, which has this concept of mental rape/violation.

[Fedel]

Earlier when Sildoria had his rant about Obi Wan being an awful character or something, he mentioned all of the Jedi using “ mind rape “ I’ll admit I’m not the most knowledgeable Star Wars fan, but I haven’t heard the term used or anything like it in the movies/Clone Wars. What the hell was he talking about? Mind tricks?

Yes.

He was also referencing Evangelion and anime as a whole, which has this concept of mental rape/violation.

I don't know. While the term "mind rape" originated with EVA, I feel like the term has expanded beyond the show to the point that when people use it, it's just a general description as opposed to a reference. Though it doesn't really matter and the person who used it can clear it up for us.

[Lord Dominator]

Yes.

He was also referencing Evangelion and anime as a whole, which has this concept of mental rape/violation.

I don't know. While the term "mind rape" originated with EVA, I feel like the term has expanded beyond the show to the point that when people use it, it's just a general description as opposed to a reference. Though it doesn't really matter and the person who used it can clear it up for us.

I would imagine many to most people use it as a generic reference.

[Pax Nerdvana]

That's a great idea. Too bad it'll never happen.

Never say never! Lucas lifted his moratorium on Wookiee Jedi after all.

Black Krrsantan, the Bounty Hunter Wookiee that Vader hired, is probably the closest equivalent. But I wanted an actual red lightsaber wielding, lightning throwing, bona fide dark side of Force using WOOKIEE WARRIOR!

That would be awesome. I knew there were Wookie Jedi, like that one Youngling from TCW.

[Idzequitch]

Never say never! Lucas lifted his moratorium on Wookiee Jedi after all.

Black Krrsantan, the Bounty Hunter Wookiee that Vader hired, is probably the closest equivalent. But I wanted an actual red lightsaber wielding, lightning throwing, bona fide dark side of Force using WOOKIEE WARRIOR!

That would be awesome. I knew there were Wookie Jedi, like that one Youngling from TCW.

Also there was Lowbacca in the EU.

[Jedi Council]

Just rewatching some Clone Wars; is anyone else annoyed with how easily Adi Gallia was killed by Savage?

I mean, she was a Jedi High Council member when Obi Wan was still a Padawan, and she had briefly engaged Griveous twice without being killed, yet she got steamrolled in about 30 seconds by Opress.

[North German Realm]

Just rewatching some Clone Wars; is anyone else annoyed with how easily Adi Gallia was killed by Savage?

I mean, she was a Jedi High Council member when Obi Wan was still a Padawan, and she had briefly engaged Griveous twice without being killed, yet she got steamrolled in about 30 seconds by Opress.

I was under the impression Savage was occasionally too powerful, and would have been a force to reckon with, had he gone through actual training.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Just rewatching some Clone Wars; is anyone else annoyed with how easily Adi Gallia was killed by Savage?

I mean, she was a Jedi High Council member when Obi Wan was still a Padawan, and she had briefly engaged Griveous twice without being killed, yet she got steamrolled in about 30 seconds by Opress.

I was under the impression Savage was occasionally too powerful, and would have been a force to reckon with, had he gone through actual training.

Well he did force choke Ventress and Dooku simultaneously at one point, so definitely had potential.

[Jedi Council]

Just rewatching some Clone Wars; is anyone else annoyed with how easily Adi Gallia was killed by Savage?

I mean, she was a Jedi High Council member when Obi Wan was still a Padawan, and she had briefly engaged Griveous twice without being killed, yet she got steamrolled in about 30 seconds by Opress.

I was under the impression Savage was occasionally too powerful, and would have been a force to reckon with, had he gone through actual training.

I understand he was pretty buffed by Talzin and her magics, but I still think he killed her too easily. We dont know much about Gallias powers or abilities apart from her use of Shien, but one would assume she was at least among the more powerful Jedi of the Order given her lengthy service.

I suppose, given that Shien is not considered ideal for lightsaber combat, alongside Gallias slight frame, that she was particularly ill suited for fighting power duelist like Savage.

[Ameriganastan]

Just rewatching some Clone Wars; is anyone else annoyed with how easily Adi Gallia was killed by Savage?

I mean, she was a Jedi High Council member when Obi Wan was still a Padawan, and she had briefly engaged Griveous twice without being killed, yet she got steamrolled in about 30 seconds by Opress.

I mean you can be as skilled as you want, but you're not gonna last long absorbing blows from a dude twice your size.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Just rewatching some Clone Wars; is anyone else annoyed with how easily Adi Gallia was killed by Savage?

I mean, she was a Jedi High Council member when Obi Wan was still a Padawan, and she had briefly engaged Griveous twice without being killed, yet she got steamrolled in about 30 seconds by Opress.

I mean you can be as skilled as you want, but you're not gonna last long absorbing blows from a dude twice your size.

Sometimes brute force will win in the end.

[Pax Nerdvana]

That would be awesome. I knew there were Wookie Jedi, like that one Youngling from TCW.

Also there was Lowbacca in the EU.

Hmmm, I'll have to check that out. I can't say he sounds familiar.

[Ism]

I was under the impression Savage was occasionally too powerful, and would have been a force to reckon with, had he gone through actual training.

I understand he was pretty buffed by Talzin and her magics, but I still think he killed her too easily. We dont know much about Gallias powers or abilities apart from her use of Shien, but one would assume she was at least among the more powerful Jedi of the Order given her lengthy service.

I suppose, given that Shien is not considered ideal for lightsaber combat, alongside Gallias slight frame, that she was particularly ill suited for fighting power duelist like Savage.

Yeah, Form V against a physically superior opponent is a bad combo, Form II or Form III would probably have served her better. Still, 30 seconds is pretty short for a Council Member. Even if we accept it as a sensible outcome, it seems unkind to the character not to give her more of a fight than that.

[Jedi Council]

I understand he was pretty buffed by Talzin and her magics, but I still think he killed her too easily. We dont know much about Gallias powers or abilities apart from her use of Shien, but one would assume she was at least among the more powerful Jedi of the Order given her lengthy service.

I suppose, given that Shien is not considered ideal for lightsaber combat, alongside Gallias slight frame, that she was particularly ill suited for fighting power duelist like Savage.

Yeah, Form V against a physically superior opponent is a bad combo, Form II or Form III would probably have served her better. Still, 30 seconds is pretty short for a Council Member. Even if we accept it as a sensible outcome, it seems unkind to the character not to give her more of a fight than that.

Agreed, particularly given that Savage, despite his size and strength, is a sloppy duelist. Additionally, even assuming that Gallia was a poor match for Opress, by this point in the show I am pretty sure the Jedi knew of Savage, Maul, and their abilities, so why would the Council send her if her abilities were not considerable?

In any case, I think they should have had her put up a bit more of a fight.

Though, TCW always seemed to have a few strange power imbalances, like Eeth Koth defeating Grievous.