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Which era of Star Wars has your favorite stories?

Oldest Republic (basically everything before 5000 years before Battle of Yavin)
4
3%
Old Republic (5000 - 1000 BBY)
29
20%
Post-Ruusan Reformation Republic (1000 BBY - AotC)
2
1%
Clone Wars (literally so much content there that it deserves its own era, AoTC - RotS)
64
45%
Imperial Era (RotS - RotJ)
24
17%
New Republic (5 - 25 years AFTER the Battle of Yavin)
7
5%
New Jedi Order (25 -37 ABY)
3
2%
Legacy Era (37 ABY and onwards)
3
2%
Alternate New Republic Era (RotJ - TRoS)
7
5%
 
Total votes : 143

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Postby Aeritai » Fri May 22, 2020 2:28 pm

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Aren't those comics getting backlash from stealing fan art?

https://youtu.be/T8ALKjrRySo


I've heard that a lot of different Star Wars comics have been stealing art, which is really stupid considering that they have the entirety of Marvel at their disposal. Who gets a job as an artist at Marvel only to steal work? Super lazy and unprofessional.


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Postby Pythaga » Fri May 22, 2020 2:30 pm

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I've heard that a lot of different Star Wars comics have been stealing art, which is really stupid considering that they have the entirety of Marvel at their disposal. Who gets a job as an artist at Marvel only to steal work? Super lazy and unprofessional.

That’s been happening with Transformers comics too, of all things.

I can’t know for sure, but a common problem with these franchises is that the artist is freelance and not familiar with the source material so they look up references. Referencing sometimes becomes tracing and recycled poses.


I fully support looking up reference material, but don't carbon copy things! If you are being payed to work as a comic artist the least you can do is draw your own unique copy of the reference material.

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Postby Alvecia » Fri May 22, 2020 2:39 pm

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Alvecia wrote:I went through the Vader series by Kieron Gillen, and those were great. She pops up in one of the volumes, and I've heard good things about the series, so I thought I'd splash.
The Vader series was excellent, so I'm looking forward to these, I'll let you know.


Aren't those comics getting backlash from stealing fan art?

https://youtu.be/T8ALKjrRySo

So here's where my ignorant consumer side is gonna kick in and say I'm not going to watch that video in case it ruins my enjoyment of the comics I'm about to read.
Maybe after the weekends, or whenever I finish, but first I want to enjoy them.
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Postby Aeritai » Fri May 22, 2020 2:41 pm

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Aren't those comics getting backlash from stealing fan art?

https://youtu.be/T8ALKjrRySo

So here's where my ignorant consumer side is gonna kick in and say I'm not going to watch that video in case it ruins my enjoyment of the comics I'm about to read.
Maybe after the weekends, or whenever I finish, but first I want to enjoy them.


That is understandable.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri May 22, 2020 2:52 pm

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New haven america wrote:Or maybe it's because the ST was badly written, not planned out, and was mostly based around the politics of 1 chick who works at Lucasfilms (And who got fired from Lucasfilms) without any hint of this thing called "Subtlety".


I completely agree with you. My comment was in response to someone wondering why the ST gets hate for being political when the originals were as well. I don't believe that they were bad only because of the politics, that is just one piece of the puzzle.

I really should have started that post with "The people who tend to complain about the ST's politics..." instead.

Politics in the Star Wars universe may parallel certain events, like the end of the Roman Republic or the Vietnam War or World War II, but the layers of symbolism don't make it overtly apparent to the audience. The originals could hide their inspiration, the sequels try to make it centered on current politics rather than being timeless.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Fri May 22, 2020 2:59 pm

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I completely agree with you. My comment was in response to someone wondering why the ST gets hate for being political when the originals were as well. I don't believe that they were bad only because of the politics, that is just one piece of the puzzle.

I really should have started that post with "The people who tend to complain about the ST's politics..." instead.

Politics in the Star Wars universe may parallel certain events, like the end of the Roman Republic or the Vietnam War or World War II, but the layers of symbolism don't make it overtly apparent to the audience. The originals could hide their inspiration, the sequels try to make it centered on current politics rather than being timeless.

How?
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Postby Pythaga » Fri May 22, 2020 3:03 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Politics in the Star Wars universe may parallel certain events, like the end of the Roman Republic or the Vietnam War or World War II, but the layers of symbolism don't make it overtly apparent to the audience. The originals could hide their inspiration, the sequels try to make it centered on current politics rather than being timeless.

How?


The only really overt example I can think of from the ST is the whole casino/animal rights thing in TLJ. Terribly written as the sequels may be, I don't think that they're focused or centered on politics.

EDIT: and the whole selling arms is bad monologue directly afterwards.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri May 22, 2020 3:54 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Politics in the Star Wars universe may parallel certain events, like the end of the Roman Republic or the Vietnam War or World War II, but the layers of symbolism don't make it overtly apparent to the audience. The originals could hide their inspiration, the sequels try to make it centered on current politics rather than being timeless.

How?

It is a current trend to put a female protagonist in major franchises, and Abrams makes no secret of this, who emphasized Rey's absurd power level.
This is in addition to a pink-haired woman putting a man in his place, so to speak, or the anti-capitalist undertones of Canto Bight.
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Postby New haven america » Fri May 22, 2020 5:04 pm

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New haven america wrote:Or maybe it's because the ST was badly written, not planned out, and was mostly based around the politics of 1 chick who works at Lucasfilms (And who got fired from Lucasfilms) without any hint of this thing called "Subtlety".

What politics?

The OT had the Empire acting as basically Nazi Germany but you wouldn't know that unless you did a bit of research, while the PT has the Republic basically acting like a further corrupted version of the US but you wouldn't know that unless you did a bit of research.

The ST is Hollywood Progressivism, which is the ironically most regressive form of the ideology. All of our movies from now on are gonna have a diverse cast of characters lead only by strong female characters ("Strong female character" if you didn't know is basically just a stereotypical male action hero with tits)! Are those strong female characters gonna be fleshed out in any way or is that diverse cast not going to be ignored? Nope! Also anyone who opposes the main group are literal Nazis and were going to make it plain as day for those in the audience who are scared of doing actual research on their own and independently expending their horizons.

It's funny how you can compare this to TCW, which has a lot of historical references and ideals as well as political debates, but those are interesting because they're subtly weaved into the story and trusts that the audience is smart enough to follow along and not have shit spelt out for them.
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Postby Kassaran » Fri May 22, 2020 5:24 pm

New haven america wrote:The OT had the Empire acting as basically Nazi Germany but you wouldn't know that unless you did a bit of research, while the PT has the Republic basically acting like a further corrupted version of the US but you wouldn't know that unless you did a bit of research.

And had never seen a picture of their uniforms, or knew about their 'ubermensch' and racist policies, or their love for genocide and superweapons...
The ST is Hollywood Progressivism, which is the ironically most regressive form of the ideology. All of our movies from now on are gonna have a diverse cast of characters lead only by strong female characters ("Strong female character" if you didn't know is basically just a stereotypical male action hero with tits)! Are those strong female characters gonna be fleshed out in any way or is that diverse cast not going to be ignored? Nope! Also anyone who opposes the main group are literal Nazis and were going to make it plain as day for those in the audience who are scared of doing actual research on their own and independently expending their horizons.

Good and strong female heroes ironically have existed for a while in Star Wars, from Leia initially making her debut as the spunky rebel leader who could shoot better than a smuggler and a moisture farmer, stand up torture without cracking (only giving up the location of a fake/abandoned rebel base when her planet was threatened), and then led/coordinated multiple attacks and retreating defenses against superior forces alongside the other notable rebel leaders (Mothma and Akbar).

Then we can go into more recent Hollywood heroes, such as the Aliens franchise's heroine, Sigourney Weaver's Ellen Ripley which any number of men will tell you is perhaps one of (and in fact in my humble opinion is) one of the most fucking badass sci-fi characters of all time. Fucking hell, who else gets to have a fight against a massive Alien queen in a construction powersuit and drop legendary fucking one-liners with a cast of equally human male characters. Ripley stole the show every gods-damned fucking time and it was because she was such an amazing action hero and I'd watch pretty much anything featuring her.

How about Angelina Jolie's Tomb Raider, which has also led to Lara Croft being one of the most easily recognized named characters in video games, physical attractiveness not withstanding increased graphical scrutiny already.

Hell, I forgot about The Bride from Kill Bill V1 & 2, Alice from Resident Evil, Trinity from Matrix, Sarah Connor from Terminator 2 and even Katniss Everdeen from the recent Hunger Games series who is a bonafide modern badass female heroine and I love her acting in it.

It's funny how you can compare this to TCW, which has a lot of historical references and ideals as well as political debates, but those are interesting because they're subtly weaved into the story and trusts that the audience is smart enough to follow along and not have shit spelt out for them.

Yet still somehow gets called a kids show. If anything, it's set for teenagers and young adults and I wish they'd managed to keep the content in that realm rather than do the typical Disney pandering to anything that fucking breathes.
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Postby New haven america » Fri May 22, 2020 5:48 pm

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New haven america wrote:The OT had the Empire acting as basically Nazi Germany but you wouldn't know that unless you did a bit of research, while the PT has the Republic basically acting like a further corrupted version of the US but you wouldn't know that unless you did a bit of research.

1. And had never seen a picture of their uniforms, or knew about their 'ubermensch' and racist policies, or their love for genocide and superweapons...
The ST is Hollywood Progressivism, which is the ironically most regressive form of the ideology. All of our movies from now on are gonna have a diverse cast of characters lead only by strong female characters ("Strong female character" if you didn't know is basically just a stereotypical male action hero with tits)! Are those strong female characters gonna be fleshed out in any way or is that diverse cast not going to be ignored? Nope! Also anyone who opposes the main group are literal Nazis and were going to make it plain as day for those in the audience who are scared of doing actual research on their own and independently expending their horizons.

2. Good and strong female heroes ironically have existed for a while in Star Wars, from Leia initially making her debut as the spunky rebel leader who could shoot better than a smuggler and a moisture farmer, stand up torture without cracking (only giving up the location of a fake/abandoned rebel base when her planet was threatened), and then led/coordinated multiple attacks and retreating defenses against superior forces alongside the other notable rebel leaders (Mothma and Akbar).

3. Then we can go into more recent Hollywood heroes, such as the Aliens franchise's heroine, Sigourney Weaver's Ellen Ripley which any number of men will tell you is perhaps one of (and in fact in my humble opinion is) one of the most fucking badass sci-fi characters of all time. Fucking hell, who else gets to have a fight against a massive Alien queen in a construction powersuit and drop legendary fucking one-liners with a cast of equally human male characters. Ripley stole the show every gods-damned fucking time and it was because she was such an amazing action hero and I'd watch pretty much anything featuring her.

How about Angelina Jolie's Tomb Raider, which has also led to Lara Croft being one of the most easily recognized named characters in video games, physical attractiveness not withstanding increased graphical scrutiny already.

Hell, I forgot about The Bride from Kill Bill V1 & 2, Alice from Resident Evil, Trinity from Matrix, Sarah Connor from Terminator 2 and even Katniss Everdeen from the recent Hunger Games series who is a bonafide modern badass female heroine and I love her acting in it.

It's funny how you can compare this to TCW, which has a lot of historical references and ideals as well as political debates, but those are interesting because they're subtly weaved into the story and trusts that the audience is smart enough to follow along and not have shit spelt out for them.

4. Yet still somehow gets called a kids show. If anything, it's set for teenagers and young adults and I wish they'd managed to keep the content in that realm rather than do the typical Disney pandering to anything that fucking breathes.

1. And more and more people are being born further away from the era of Nazi Germany so its historical significance is waning.
2. Leia's not a Strong Female Character, she's a Strong Character who's a Woman. They may sound similar, but they're completely 180 from each other.

Also, you mention Strong Characters who are Women but don't mention Padme, Ahsoka, Cere, Mara Jade, Bastilla and Satele Shan, need I go on?
3. Refer to point 2. And how dare you call Ripley a Strong Female Character.
4a. Animation in the West will always be seen as kid's material.
4b. TCW spent most of its time airing on CN, as it was made before the buyout.
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Postby Kassaran » Fri May 22, 2020 7:13 pm

1. I guess, I mean more people are being born further away from it, but it still remains culturally significant. I guess since I'm such a huge history enthusiast it just seems obvious to me.
2. Wasn't really aware of that being a distinction before. To me, I'd use the term strong female character if they're a strong character who is female. Just seems more sensible to me, but I agree with the differences in lexicon.
3. Not sure if you're actually outraged here or just being mock outraged here?
4a. Unfortunately, means most people will never know gems like ATLA, Titan AE, Treasure Planet, and other great cult classics from the 90's.
4b. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Was homeless for a few years and then joined the Army and was overseas, so my pop culture knowledge is something like eight years out of date right now. Netflix has been such a trip because I'm seeing all of these 'new' shows that I've never heard of or seen and suddenly I'm looking at their total run time and they have like five to seven seasons. Supernatural is over nine seasons alone and I'm overwhelmed with the number of pop culture references they make that I don't get, like, I must have lived under a rock at some point to not get any of it.
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Postby New haven america » Fri May 22, 2020 7:26 pm

Kassaran wrote:1. I guess, I mean more people are being born further away from it, but it still remains culturally significant. I guess since I'm such a huge history enthusiast it just seems obvious to me.
2. Wasn't really aware of that being a distinction before. To me, I'd use the term strong female character if they're a strong character who is female. Just seems more sensible to me, but I agree with the differences in lexicon.
3. Not sure if you're actually outraged here or just being mock outraged here?
4a. Unfortunately, means most people will never know gems like ATLA, Titan AE, Treasure Planet, and other great cult classics from the 90's.
4b. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Was homeless for a few years and then joined the Army and was overseas, so my pop culture knowledge is something like eight years out of date right now. Netflix has been such a trip because I'm seeing all of these 'new' shows that I've never heard of or seen and suddenly I'm looking at their total run time and they have like five to seven seasons. Supernatural is over nine seasons alone and I'm overwhelmed with the number of pop culture references they make that I don't get, like, I must have lived under a rock at some point to not get any of it.

1. Most people don't give a shit about history or anything that doesn't happen outside of their country (Some even extend this to only caring about shit in their own state/province/district/etc...), and definitely don't want to learn history of another area if it's obviously not what they're used to.
2. You learn something new everyday.
3. No no, just as your own source pointed out, Ripley is not a Strong Female Character, and calling her such does a massive disservice to the character, movies, and actress.
4. Indeed.
5. Ok well, TCW was airing on CN before the Disney buyout and CN has a history of being much looser when it comes to the things they air (Half the time the channel is Adult Swim ffs), so Dave and the rest of the TCW crew were basically allowed to be as graphic or politically focused as they felt like. It even had another 3 seasons planned before Disney bought it and forced CN to cancel it because Disney didn't want their property on a channel owned by Warner Brothers.
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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Fri May 22, 2020 8:19 pm

Tfw when you look through your grandparent’s house and find Star Wars material from 1980 and earlier.
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Postby Fedel » Fri May 22, 2020 10:16 pm

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Alvecia wrote:I went through the Vader series by Kieron Gillen, and those were great. She pops up in one of the volumes, and I've heard good things about the series, so I thought I'd splash.
The Vader series was excellent, so I'm looking forward to these, I'll let you know.


Aren't those comics getting backlash from stealing fan art?

https://youtu.be/T8ALKjrRySo


Would that change the quality of the work? Does Kevin Spacey's real life antics make American Beauty or the first 2 seasons of House of Cards worse? Does Orson Scott Card being against gays make it so that Ender's Game is no longer a classic coming of age scifi epic?

If a nazi says the sky is blue, I'm not going to say the sky is green just to spite them.
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Postby Pythaga » Fri May 22, 2020 10:59 pm

Fedel wrote:
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Aren't those comics getting backlash from stealing fan art?

https://youtu.be/T8ALKjrRySo


Would that change the quality of the work? Does Kevin Spacey's real life antics make American Beauty or the first 2 seasons of House of Cards worse? Does Orson Scott Card being against gays make it so that Ender's Game is no longer a classic coming of age scifi epic?

If a nazi says the sky is blue, I'm not going to say the sky is green just to spite them.


It doesn’t change the quality of the plots and stories at all, but you’d hope they could hire artists that would do original work instead of tracing pictures off the internet verbatim.

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Postby Fedel » Fri May 22, 2020 11:06 pm

Pythaga wrote:
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Would that change the quality of the work? Does Kevin Spacey's real life antics make American Beauty or the first 2 seasons of House of Cards worse? Does Orson Scott Card being against gays make it so that Ender's Game is no longer a classic coming of age scifi epic?

If a nazi says the sky is blue, I'm not going to say the sky is green just to spite them.


It doesn’t change the quality of the plots and stories at all, but you’d hope they could hire artists that would do original work instead of tracing pictures off the internet verbatim.


Of course. Aer's commentary just seemed unrelated to Alv's post imo.
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Postby Aeritai » Fri May 22, 2020 11:15 pm

Fedel wrote:
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It doesn’t change the quality of the plots and stories at all, but you’d hope they could hire artists that would do original work instead of tracing pictures off the internet verbatim.


Of course. Aer's commentary just seemed unrelated to Alv's post imo.


I heard that the stories of the comics are good, so I agree that while artist did steal fan art that doesn't ruin the comic's plotline.
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Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:How?

It is a current trend to put a female protagonist in major franchises, and Abrams makes no secret of this, who emphasized Rey's absurd power level.
This is in addition to a pink-haired woman putting a man in his place, so to speak, or the anti-capitalist undertones of Canto Bight.

When a man has absurd power levels, it’s bad writing. When a woman does, it’s politics.

Women can’t be protagonists of major franchises? It’s s it 50\50 somehow?

Don’t female bosses berate male employees in the real world?
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat May 23, 2020 12:53 am

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Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:What politics?

The OT had the Empire acting as basically Nazi Germany but you wouldn't know that unless you did a bit of research, while the PT has the Republic basically acting like a further corrupted version of the US but you wouldn't know that unless you did a bit of research.

The ST is Hollywood Progressivism, which is the ironically most regressive form of the ideology. All of our movies from now on are gonna have a diverse cast of characters lead only by strong female characters ("Strong female character" if you didn't know is basically just a stereotypical male action hero with tits)! Are those strong female characters gonna be fleshed out in any way or is that diverse cast not going to be ignored? Nope! Also anyone who opposes the main group are literal Nazis and were going to make it plain as day for those in the audience who are scared of doing actual research on their own and independently expending their horizons.

It's funny how you can compare this to TCW, which has a lot of historical references and ideals as well as political debates, but those are interesting because they're subtly weaved into the story and trusts that the audience is smart enough to follow along and not have shit spelt out for them.

So, you’re not opposed to politics per se, but with these spcific politics? Because that is an entirely different discussion than the one I was talking about, and if that8s your point, I might actually agree with you.
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Postby Alvecia » Sat May 23, 2020 7:04 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:How?

It is a current trend to put a female protagonist in major franchises, and Abrams makes no secret of this, who emphasized Rey's absurd power level.
This is in addition to a pink-haired woman putting a man in his place, so to speak, or the anti-capitalist undertones of Canto Bight.

Is there a trend, or does it just seem that way because it's gone up from 10% to 40%?

Disclaimer: numbers pulled out of my arse.
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Postby Fedel » Sat May 23, 2020 11:31 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
New haven america wrote:The OT had the Empire acting as basically Nazi Germany but you wouldn't know that unless you did a bit of research, while the PT has the Republic basically acting like a further corrupted version of the US but you wouldn't know that unless you did a bit of research.

The ST is Hollywood Progressivism, which is the ironically most regressive form of the ideology. All of our movies from now on are gonna have a diverse cast of characters lead only by strong female characters ("Strong female character" if you didn't know is basically just a stereotypical male action hero with tits)! Are those strong female characters gonna be fleshed out in any way or is that diverse cast not going to be ignored? Nope! Also anyone who opposes the main group are literal Nazis and were going to make it plain as day for those in the audience who are scared of doing actual research on their own and independently expending their horizons.

It's funny how you can compare this to TCW, which has a lot of historical references and ideals as well as political debates, but those are interesting because they're subtly weaved into the story and trusts that the audience is smart enough to follow along and not have shit spelt out for them.

So, you’re not opposed to politics per se, but with these spcific politics? Because that is an entirely different discussion than the one I was talking about, and if that8s your point, I might actually agree with you.


I think it's moreso that they believe the politics that were present in the ST were petty and unnecessary and rooted in trends that will vanish in a decade or two, something I agree with.

Regardless, I'd say politics is one of the lesser complaints people should have about the sequel trilogy movies...
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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Sat May 23, 2020 12:47 pm

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The first Galactic Republic wrote:Tfw when you look through your grandparent’s house and find Star Wars material from 1980 and earlier.

I see you have gone into the archives. What have you found?

Not too much. Mostly novels from the 90’s. I don’t know if those are worth anything.

But there’s a few “Collector’s Edition” magazines from when ESB and ROTJ came out. I’ll have to look into those.
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Postby Dylar » Sat May 23, 2020 12:50 pm

The first Galactic Republic wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:I see you have gone into the archives. What have you found?

Not too much. Mostly novels from the 90’s. I don’t know if those are worth anything.

But there’s a few “Collector’s Edition” magazines from when ESB and ROTJ came out. I’ll have to look into those.

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