Star Wars: The Force Shall Free Us All

[Arvecnia]

I hope someday they make a fourth one of these movies.

I see what you did there.

[The Grene Knyght]

I hope someday they make a fourth one of these movies.

Oh, haven't you heard?

[Arvecnia]

Now bring on the hate but ( I LIKE THE PREQUELS !)

[The first Galactic Republic]

But then they wouldn't be the Empire...

I mean they could still be an Empire just a little less evil...

Like... a Republic?

[Arvecnia]

I mean they could still be an Empire just a little less evil...

Like... a Republic?

No just an empire that allows non-humans.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Like... a Republic?

No just an empire that allows non-humans.

So blowing up planets and being stuck in a state of total war is otherwise okay?

It’s strange to me that xenophobia is everyone’s first criticism of the Empire when it’s not even a major theme for them in the actual movies. The movies portray its militarism, totalitarianism, magocratic practices, and lack of empathy as the main problems. I mean the rebels were mostly human in the movies.

[Arvecnia]

No just an empire that allows non-humans.

So blowing up planets and being stuck in a state of total war is otherwise okay?

It’s strange to me that xenophobia is everyone’s first criticism of the Empire when it’s not even a major theme for them in the actual movies. The movies portray its militarism, totalitarianism, magocratic practices, and lack of empathy as the main problems. I mean the rebels were mostly human in the movies.

That was simply because it was easier to have human actors and they are the galaxies most common species. Though the Empire would have been more popular if it wasn't xenophobic. Though destroying planets is not alright.

[Omakhandia]

Now bring on the hate but ( I LIKE THE PREQUELS !)

Tbh, I enjoy them quite a bit myself. When they're good, it's fun. When they're bad... it's still pretty fun. Those movies are tailor-made for late-night screenings and drinking games.

I can't say I've gotten anywhere close to that level of enjoyment out of Disney Wars.

[Arvecnia]

Now bring on the hate but ( I LIKE THE PREQUELS !)

Tbh, I enjoy them quite a bit myself. When they're good, it's fun. When they're bad... it's still pretty fun. Those movies are tailor-made for late-night screenings and drinking games.

I can't say I've gotten anywhere close to that level of enjoyment out of Disney Wars.

Yes the Disneywars films are kinda lacking, they don't feel like starwars.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Tbh, I enjoy them quite a bit myself. When they're good, it's fun. When they're bad... it's still pretty fun. Those movies are tailor-made for late-night screenings and drinking games.

I can't say I've gotten anywhere close to that level of enjoyment out of Disney Wars.

Yes the Disneywars films are kinda lacking, they don't feel like starwars.

I feel the need to point to this again. Even leaving out the derivative plot elements of TFA, I really think the ST is more like the OT than the PT was. And I'm not talking about plotline so much as the general approach to story-telling and worldbuilding.

[Omakhandia]

Yes the Disneywars films are kinda lacking, they don't feel like starwars.

I feel the need to point to this again. Even leaving out the derivative plot elements of TFA, I really think the ST is more like the OT than the PT was. And I'm not talking about plotline so much as the general approach to story-telling and worldbuilding.

I mean, that expanded universe crap was pretty bad too, to be fair. And I'd actually agree that Disney Wars feels more Star Wars-y than the prequels. But that's precisely why they're so strange-- like someone took another sci-fi story and overlaid it onto a Star Wars aesthetic. The Prequels, at the very least, felt like they were telling a contiguous, coherent story. Disney Wars feels like a computer's idea of what a Star Wars film should be, with no attention paid to world-building or backstory.

[Pax Nerdvana]

I hope someday they make a fourth one of these movies.

Oh, haven't you heard?

Not.... that.... the trauma.

[Dylar]

I kinda wish that Disney would continue TCW now that Rebels is done. I mean...finish all the half-animated episodes for Season 6, and do the last two seasons that were planned, throw in a little Order 66 as the finale(or, do what the Clone Wars mini-series did and end with the space battle above Coruscant that you would see in Episode III) and boom, you've just made every Star Wars nerd who isn't a kid happy again.

[Pax Nerdvana]

I kinda wish that Disney would continue TCW now that Rebels is done. I mean...finish all the half-animated episodes for Season 6, and do the last two seasons that were planned, throw in a little Order 66 as the finale(or, do what the Clone Wars mini-series did and end with the space battle above Coruscant that you would see in Episode III) and boom, you've just made every Star Wars nerd who isn't a kid happy again.

That would be awesome.

[Arvecnia]

To me the prequals were Starwars, new and familiar planets, new and familiar aliens, new and familiar ships and so on. While yes it was not OT starers it was still Starwars, were were Jedi and Sith, good and evil an actual story.

The Disneywars films feel empty and barren, world building is almost non existent, character backstories are lacking and their motives even more so. To me Disneywars is barley Starwars, where is all the familiar planets and alien species and why does the galaxy feel unpopulated. While it may be Starwars it barley feels like it.

[Alekseandrea]

No just an empire that allows non-humans.

So blowing up planets and being stuck in a state of total war is otherwise okay?

The total war clearly isn't the empire's fault.
It is plain to see that the rebels clearly violate and ignore the laws and customs of war.
They dress like civilians and disguise themselves as imperial personnel, for example.

And then the empire has to play "fair"?

It’s strange to me that xenophobia is everyone’s first criticism of the Empire when it’s not even a major theme for them in the actual movies. The movies portray its militarism, totalitarianism, magocratic practices, and lack of empathy as the main problems. I mean the rebels were mostly human in the movies.

Well, the xenophobia is actually easy to justify. They are a convenient scapegoat. And well, recourses are limited. Every recourse that is used by an alien, can't be used by a human. This means the very presence of aliens harms humans, they prevent humans from living in better conditions or prevents the humans from procreating. Every alien alive is a dead potential human.

As for the magocracy, well, force sensitives are superior to the baseline. If a force sensitive wants to do something, one needs a force sensitive or exceptional non-sensitive to stop them.
It is only natural that the ruling elite consists mostly out of force-sensitives.

The militarism and totalitarianism could be considered flaws.

The lack of empathy, however, might almost required for an empire with a massive size. The time and recources wasted by considering people would be massive. It would be better to decide fast.

[Arvecnia]

So blowing up planets and being stuck in a state of total war is otherwise okay?

The total war clearly isn't the empire's fault.
It is plain to see that the rebels clearly violate and ignore the laws and customs of war.
They dress like civilians and disguise themselves as imperial personnel, for example.

And then the empire has to play "fair"?

It’s strange to me that xenophobia is everyone’s first criticism of the Empire when it’s not even a major theme for them in the actual movies. The movies portray its militarism, totalitarianism, magocratic practices, and lack of empathy as the main problems. I mean the rebels were mostly human in the movies.

Well, the xenophobia is actually easy to justify. They are a convenient scapegoat. And well, recourses are limited. Every recourse that is used by an alien, can't be used by a human. This means the very presence of aliens harms humans, they prevent humans from living in better conditions or prevents the humans from procreating. Every alien alive is a dead potential human.

As for the magocracy, well, force sensitives are superior to the baseline. If a force sensitive wants to do something, one needs a force sensitive or exceptional non-sensitive to stop them.
It is only natural that the ruling elite consists mostly out of force-sensitives.

The militarism and totalitarianism could be considered flaws.

The lack of empathy, however, might almost required for an empire with a massive size. The time and recources wasted by considering people would be massive. It would be better to decide fast.

That doesn't justify the slavery and outright cruelty the empire throws upon aliens and what they did to the Lasat and Genosians is unforgivable.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

To me the prequals were Starwars, new and familiar planets,

You mean there was Tattooine, so one familiar planet. Is Tattooine really what makes Star Wars Star Wars?

new and familiar aliens,

Familiar ones? I guess...Hutts and Wookiees? This seems like a really superficial reason to like or dislike a thing.

new and familiar ships and so on.

Familiar ships? Which ones would those be? I think you might be accidentally describing the ST.

While yes it was not OT starers it was still Starwars, were were Jedi and Sith, good and evil an actual story.

Whereas the ST is a cosy series of slice-of-life vignettes with no actual story or antagonists to speak of.

The Disneywars films feel empty and barren, world building is almost non existent, character backstories are lacking and their motives even more so. To me Disneywars is barley Starwars, where is all the familiar planets and alien species and why does the galaxy feel unpopulated. While it may be Starwars it barley feels like it.[/quote]

You can't seriously be unfavourably comparing the ST with the PT in terms of character motivation? The prequels were a hot mess. Anakin wants to save his wife so he...kills children with nary a shrug? Obi-Wan wants to kill Anakin or possibly can't bear to?

Most characters didn't have much in the way of backstory in the OT either. It was really just Vader, then Obi-Wan, but mainly insofar as he related to Vader. We can assume that the Emperor was the one who seduced Vader, though I'm not sure that's ever stated. Then Han and Lando are old friends and Lando lost the Falcon to Han. It's the same kind of minimalist backstory the ST and indeed the PT have. Hell, TLJ gave us a couple of flashbacks, which I'm pretty sure is a first for Star Wars.

I guess anything would feel underpopulated next to Coruscant, but again, you're criticising the ST for qualities it shares with the OT, which wasn't that heavily populated either. There's what? Mos Eisley, Cloud City, Jabba's Palace and I suppose the Ewok village? Compare to Maz's place, the Casino Planet, and a glimpse of the Republic's new capital.

[Alekseandrea]

That doesn't justify the slavery and outright cruelty the empire throws upon aliens and what they did to the Lasat and Genosians is unforgivable.

Well, if you don't consider your own species the most important it doesn't.

If you do consider humans to be the most valuable, suddenly the extermination of aliens becomes justified.
Recources used by aliens would be wasted or used suboptimally.

The slavery and cruelty are a way to diminish the number of aliens without having to resort to a war of extermination. Those wars tend to have a poor return on investment.

[Arvecnia]

That doesn't justify the slavery and outright cruelty the empire throws upon aliens and what they did to the Lasat and Genosians is unforgivable.

Well, if you don't consider your own species the most important it doesn't.

If you do consider humans to be the most valuable, suddenly extermination of aliens becomes justified.
Recources used by aliens would be wasted or used suboptimally.

The slavery and cruelty are a way to diminish the number of aliens without having to resort to a war of extermination. Those wars tend to have a poor returns on investment.

Of course humans are the most important but I just think they could have gone about it in different ways.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Deleted scene from 1:30 to do with Phasma and Finn in TLJ. Its a bit rough around the edges obviously, but i liked what they were going with in this scene and wish it was kept in the movie, or something like it.

[The first Galactic Republic]

So blowing up planets and being stuck in a state of total war is otherwise okay?

The total war clearly isn't the empire's fault.
It is plain to see that the rebels clearly violate and ignore the laws and customs of war.
They dress like civilians and disguise themselves as imperial personnel, for example.

And then the empire has to play "fair"?

It’s strange to me that xenophobia is everyone’s first criticism of the Empire when it’s not even a major theme for them in the actual movies. The movies portray its militarism, totalitarianism, magocratic practices, and lack of empathy as the main problems. I mean the rebels were mostly human in the movies.

Well, the xenophobia is actually easy to justify. They are a convenient scapegoat. And well, recourses are limited. Every recourse that is used by an alien, can't be used by a human. This means the very presence of aliens harms humans, they prevent humans from living in better conditions or prevents the humans from procreating. Every alien alive is a dead potential human.

As for the magocracy, well, force sensitives are superior to the baseline. If a force sensitive wants to do something, one needs a force sensitive or exceptional non-sensitive to stop them.
It is only natural that the ruling elite consists mostly out of force-sensitives.

The militarism and totalitarianism could be considered flaws.

The lack of empathy, however, might almost required for an empire with a massive size. The time and recources wasted by considering people would be massive. It would be better to decide fast.

The Empire’s militarization started upon its conception. It was first justified by the continued existence of Separatist holdouts, but continued after their defeat. This was years before even the organized rebel cells that would become the alliance.

That’s as ridiculous as blaming Britain and France for Germany’s mobilization when that had really started years prior.

[Zanera]

Deleted scene from 1:30 to do with Phasma and Finn in TLJ. Its a bit rough around the edges obviously, but i liked what they were going with in this scene and wish it was kept in the movie, or something like it.

OH COME OOOOON

[Alekseandrea]

The total war clearly isn't the empire's fault.
It is plain to see that the rebels clearly violate and ignore the laws and customs of war.
They dress like civilians and disguise themselves as imperial personnel, for example.

And then the empire has to play "fair"?



Well, the xenophobia is actually easy to justify. They are a convenient scapegoat. And well, recourses are limited. Every recourse that is used by an alien, can't be used by a human. This means the very presence of aliens harms humans, they prevent humans from living in better conditions or prevents the humans from procreating. Every alien alive is a dead potential human.

As for the magocracy, well, force sensitives are superior to the baseline. If a force sensitive wants to do something, one needs a force sensitive or exceptional non-sensitive to stop them.
It is only natural that the ruling elite consists mostly out of force-sensitives.

The militarism and totalitarianism could be considered flaws.

The lack of empathy, however, might almost required for an empire with a massive size. The time and recources wasted by considering people would be massive. It would be better to decide fast.

The Empire’s militarization started upon its conception. It was first justified by the continued existence of Separatist holdouts, but continued after their defeat. This was years before even the organized rebel cells that would become the alliance.

I would like to mention that militarisation and total war are 2 different things.

Militarisation is preparing for war.

Total war is victory justifies the means.

The first certainly was to keep to keep the population in check. If you want peace, prepare for war and all that.

But the second was clearly a consequence of the habits of the rebel alliance.
They can hardly be considered “lawful combatants” and even if they were, they have a nasty tendency to not wear an uniform, dress as imperials etc.
Is it that surprising that the empire stoops to the same level?
Anyone would do that if they had to defeat such an enemy.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Jon Favreau to produce and write the Star Wars live action series