Star Wars: The Force Shall Free Us All

[The first Galactic Republic]

I remember in the RC novels, a group of Jedi under Djinn Altis created their own Jedi sect that didn't follow the Jedi Council. And one of the biggest differences between the sect and the rest of the Order was that they encouraged their students to form attachments, get married, have kids, etc.

Cool

In the old EU there were two old light and dark side conflicts before the one that lead to the Sith. There was a schism over the future the Jedi should take when they were still on Tython, and there was another when they were spacefaring where the darksiders became the Legions of Lettow.

Ever since the Sith were founded, every dark Jedi seems to find their way to that Order or create their own version. Jedi leave the order for different reasons though, so every major schism is its own light side dark side conflict in a way, even if it always leads to Sith.

Thanks for the info. I was thinking more though between competing lightside groups over small differences in ideology.

Interesting premise.

Yeah can I get uhh... Jedi disagreement with no galactic genocide?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Cool

Thanks for the info. I was thinking more though between competing lightside groups over small differences in ideology.

Interesting premise.

Yeah can I get uhh... Jedi disagreement with no galactic genocide?

Sorry sir we dont have those in stock.

We do have a special offer though of a Jedi Civil War Lite edition™ with only 20 Billion dead and a brief Sith Resurgency.

Buy yours today and we will also throw in a free Economic Core World Collapse™!

[The first Galactic Republic]

Interesting premise.

Yeah can I get uhh... Jedi disagreement with no galactic genocide?

Sorry sir we dont have those in stock.

We do have a special offer though of a Jedi Civil War Lite edition™ with only 20 Billion dead and a brief Sith Resurgency.

Buy yours today and we will also throw in a free Economic Core World Collapse™!

Does it come with Revan?

... Revan machine broke

[Andsed]

Okay hot take here: I think Force Unleashed not being cannon is a good thing. I loved the games but Starkiller was way to fucking OP.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Okay hot take here: I think Force Unleashed not being cannon is a good thing. I loved the games but Starkiller was way to fucking OP.

Yeah i agree honestly.

Sorry sir we dont have those in stock.

We do have a special offer though of a Jedi Civil War Lite edition™ with only 20 Billion dead and a brief Sith Resurgency.

Buy yours today and we will also throw in a free Economic Core World Collapse™!

Does it come with Revan?

... Revan machine broke

Fresh out of Revan

[Ameriganastan]

Okay hot take here: I think Force Unleashed not being cannon is a good thing. I loved the games but Starkiller was way to fucking OP.

I sort of agree. I'm also glad it's not canon, but because I thought he was a gigantic pussy.

[Valrifell]

Disney should canonize me as a Jedi, tbh.

[Dylar]

Okay hot take here: I think Force Unleashed not being cannon is a good thing. I loved the games but Starkiller was way to fucking OP.

I sort of agree. I'm also glad it's not canon, but because I thought he was a gigantic pussy.

*slaughters both Imperials and Rebels in a TIE Fighter factory*
"He's a gigantic pussy"
???

[Ameriganastan]

I sort of agree. I'm also glad it's not canon, but because I thought he was a gigantic pussy.

*slaughters both Imperials and Rebels in a TIE Fighter factory*
"He's a gigantic pussy"
???

And whined like a teenager the entire time. The guy was such a damn crybaby. Trailers made him look so badass, but then you play the game and find out he's a little emo bitch boy.

[Dylar]

*slaughters both Imperials and Rebels in a TIE Fighter factory*
"He's a gigantic pussy"
???

And whined like a teenager the entire time. The guy was such a damn crybaby. Trailers made him look so badass, but then you play the game and find out he's a little emo bitch boy.

I don't know what heavily modded game you played, but I clearly remember Starkiller not being a crybaby. Actually, he was more emotionless than anything.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Force Unleashed was a cool guy. Eh grabbed inappropriately and doesn’t afraid of anything.

[Ameriganastan]

And whined like a teenager the entire time. The guy was such a damn crybaby. Trailers made him look so badass, but then you play the game and find out he's a little emo bitch boy.

I don't know what heavily modded game you played, but I clearly remember Starkiller not being a crybaby. Actually, he was more emotionless than anything.

And I remember him being an emo assclown.

[New haven america]

And whined like a teenager the entire time. The guy was such a damn crybaby. Trailers made him look so badass, but then you play the game and find out he's a little emo bitch boy.

I don't know what heavily modded game you played, but I clearly remember Starkiller not being a crybaby. Actually, he was more emotionless than anything.

Basically, if they're not like Darth Maul in TPM then they're emotional pussies by Ameri's standards.

[Fedel]

And whined like a teenager the entire time. The guy was such a damn crybaby. Trailers made him look so badass, but then you play the game and find out he's a little emo bitch boy.

And I remember him being an emo assclown.

Care to name a moment where you found him to be unreasonably emotional? I would say he was repressed if anything.

Also, you're aware Starkiller WAS a teenager during TFU... Right?

[Andsed]

And whined like a teenager the entire time. The guy was such a damn crybaby. Trailers made him look so badass, but then you play the game and find out he's a little emo bitch boy.

And I remember him being an emo assclown.

Care to name a moment where you found him to be unreasonably emotional? I would say he was repressed if anything.

Also, you're aware Starkiller WAS a teenager during TFU... Right?

Wait he was? I thought he was like in his twenties.

[Fedel]

Care to name a moment where you found him to be unreasonably emotional? I would say he was repressed if anything.

Also, you're aware Starkiller WAS a teenager during TFU... Right?

Wait he was? I thought he was like in his twenties.

IIRC he was 17 in the novel.

[Ameriganastan]

And whined like a teenager the entire time. The guy was such a damn crybaby. Trailers made him look so badass, but then you play the game and find out he's a little emo bitch boy.

And I remember him being an emo assclown.

Care to name a moment where you found him to be unreasonably emotional? I would say he was repressed if anything.

Also, you're aware Starkiller WAS a teenager during TFU... Right?

I mean I can't recall much specific about it. I only beat it once, and it was like 12 years ago. But I do remember finding him annoying and whiny. So ergo he must have been such.

[Andsed]

Wait he was? I thought he was like in his twenties.

IIRC he was 17 in the novel.

So a 17 year old beat Vader and went toe to toe with Palpatine? Well that makes me quite firmly believe that TFU being non cannon is a good thing.

[New haven america]

IIRC he was 17 in the novel.

So a 17 year old beat Vader and went toe to toe with Palpatine? Well that makes me quite firmly believe that TFU being non cannon is a good thing.

He beat Vader twice.

[Fedel]

IIRC he was 17 in the novel.

So a 17 year old beat Vader and went toe to toe with Palpatine? Well that makes me quite firmly believe that TFU being non cannon is a good thing.

To be fair, he was a prodigy on the level of Luke ( within the old EU of course ):

"The Apprentice is the photo negative of Luke Skywalker. He's been raised by Darth Vader, and is what Luke would have become if he had joined his father. Vader's not a very nice daddy. This guy has been raised to be a Jedi. When the Jedi use the Force, they respect it and don't overuse it. The bad guys - the Sith - keep testing their limits. Vader discovered this person who had the potential to be the most powerful Force user ever. He's up there with the top tier. He's extremely powerful. Vader has trained him in such a way that he just kept pushing his limitations, seeing how far he could use the Force. So, where a normal Jedi might use the Force to trick his way past a few stormtroopers, the apprentice might use the Force to bring down an adjacent building on top of those stormtroopers. He's extremely confident in everything he does. He's been trained by Vader to be an assassin, an unstoppable force." - Insider 100.

[Ameriganastan]

IIRC he was 17 in the novel.

So a 17 year old beat Vader and went toe to toe with Palpatine? Well that makes me quite firmly believe that TFU being non cannon is a good thing.

Don't forget him also beating several experienced Jedi masters and pulling a Star Destroyer out of the sky.

And yet people think Rey is the Mary-Sue...

[Fedel]

So a 17 year old beat Vader and went toe to toe with Palpatine? Well that makes me quite firmly believe that TFU being non cannon is a good thing.

Don't forget him also beating several experienced Jedi masters and pulling a Star Destroyer out of the sky.

And yet people think Rey is the Mary-Sue...

Rey doing complex things with the Force we've never seen from any other Force user in canon is the part most people are confused by, not her simply having a great deal of raw power.

[New haven america]

Don't forget him also beating several experienced Jedi masters and pulling a Star Destroyer out of the sky.

And yet people think Rey is the Mary-Sue...

Rey doing complex things with the Force we've never seen from any Force user is the part people are confused by, not her simply having a great deal of raw power.

Or the fact that she was able to use pretty complex force techniques with no prior training while Starkiller was raised since the age of 5 by Vader to be a Jedi Killer.

[Andsed]

So a 17 year old beat Vader and went toe to toe with Palpatine? Well that makes me quite firmly believe that TFU being non cannon is a good thing.

To be fair, he was a prodigy on the level of Luke ( within the old EU ).

"The Apprentice is the photo negative of Luke Skywalker. He's been raised by Darth Vader, and is what Luke would have become if he had joined his father. Vader's not a very nice daddy. This guy has been raised to be a Jedi. When the Jedi use the Force, they respect it and don't overuse it. The bad guys - the Sith - keep testing their limits. Vader discovered this person who had the potential to be the most powerful Force user ever. He's up there with the top tier. He's extremely powerful. Vader has trained him in such a way that he just kept pushing his limitations, seeing how far he could use the Force. So, where a normal Jedi might use the Force to trick his way past a few stormtroopers, the apprentice might use the Force to bring down an adjacent building on top of those stormtroopers. He's extremely confident in everything he does. He's been trained by Vader to be an assassin, an unstoppable force." - Insider 100.

Fair enough I guess. It still really hampers the idea of Vader being an unstoppable monster in my mind though. I much prefer his appearance in Fallen Order than TFU.

[Fedel]

Rey doing complex things with the Force we've never seen from any Force user is the part people are confused by, not her simply having a great deal of raw power.

Or the fact that she was able to use pretty complex force techniques with no prior training while Starkiller was raised since the age of 5 by Vader to be a Jedi Killer.

^