Star Wars: The Force Shall Free Us All

[J o J]

It's all about modern politics. I cannot stand it. I want a Star Wars movie without "le social commentary xdd"

It’s just the old OT story again. Just with new takes on the characters and force.

Yeah, TFA is literally just a copy-pasted New Hope lmao.

[Sildorian Empire]

It’s just the old OT story again. Just with new takes on the characters and force.

Yeah, TFA is literally just a copy-pasted New Hope lmao.

I wonder how they didn't notice the social commentary behind ANH tbh. Like, are people, say, a few decades from now going to say things like "The Skywalker Saga had no retarded le social commentary, why can't new movies be like the classics?"?

[Pythaga]

The people who tend to complain about the ST saw the original movies when they were too young to pick up on the political commentary, to them it was just a fun space movie. As they grew older, they never really looked past it, it was still just a fun space movie to them. Additionally a lot of the anti-Vietnam and other super political stuff in the OT isn’t really meaningful or applicable to people who first saw it as kids in the 80’s and later.

In short, people grew up with the originals as fun movies without deeper meaning, and kept seeing them like that. However, when the ST came out, people looked at them with a critical eye, and saw politicization in a series where they had before seen none. Probably didn’t help that the ST’s commentary is also pretty polarizing in and of itself either.

[The Huskar Social Union]

The people who tend to complain about the ST saw the original movies when they were too young to pick up on the political commentary, to them it was just a fun space movie. As they grew older, they never really looked past it, it was still just a fun space movie to them. Additionally a lot of the anti-Vietnam and other super political stuff in the OT isn’t really meaningful or applicable to people who first saw it as kids in the 80’s and later.

In short, people grew up with the originals as fun movies without deeper meaning, and kept seeing them like that. However, when the ST came out, people looked at them with a critical eye, and saw politicization in a series where they had before seen none. Probably didn’t help that the ST’s commentary is also pretty polarizing in and of itself either.

I like the ST for the most part, but there is plenty that can be criticised that isnt about its commentary. Such as shit writing, bad jokes (TLJ in particular, its one of my biggest issues with that movie), underdeveloped characters and the metric fuck ton of fan service in TROS

[Pythaga]

I like the ST for the most part, but there is plenty that can be criticised that isnt about its commentary. Such as shit writing, underdeveloped characters and the metric fuck ton of fan service in TROS

I completely agree that there is more to the dislike of the ST than the politics. I was simply answering the post above mine about why people were complaining about the politicization.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Also that persons post seems to be gone so im gona assume they got deleted for something else.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I like the ST for the most part, but there is plenty that can be criticised that isnt about its commentary. Such as shit writing, underdeveloped characters and the metric fuck ton of fan service in TROS

I completely agree that their is more to the dislike of the ST than the politics. I was simply answering the post above mine about why people were complaining about the politicization.

Fair dues

[Sildorian Empire]

The people who tend to complain about the ST saw the original movies when they were too young to pick up on the political commentary, to them it was just a fun space movie. As they grew older, they never really looked past it, it was still just a fun space movie to them. Additionally a lot of the anti-Vietnam and other super political stuff in the OT isn’t really meaningful or applicable to people who first saw it as kids in the 80’s and later.

In short, people grew up with the originals as fun movies without deeper meaning, and kept seeing them like that. However, when the ST came out, people looked at them with a critical eye, and saw politicization in a series where they had before seen none. Probably didn’t help that the ST’s commentary is also pretty polarizing in and of itself either.

I like the ST for the most part, but there is plenty that can be criticised that isnt about its commentary. Such as shit writing, bad jokes (TLJ in particular, its one of my biggest issues with that movie), underdeveloped characters and the metric fuck ton of fan service in TROS

The ST have a lot of problems. "Too much political correctness"/"SJW Agenda" just isn't one of them imo.

[Pythaga]

I like the ST for the most part, but there is plenty that can be criticised that isnt about its commentary. Such as shit writing, bad jokes (TLJ in particular, its one of my biggest issues with that movie), underdeveloped characters and the metric fuck ton of fan service in TROS

The ST have a lot of problems. "Too much political correctness"/"SJW Agenda" just isn't one of them imo.

I think that people who insist on looking at everything through a political lens either really love or really hate the ST purely because of the politics. For the vast majority of people who watch movies for entertainment instead of commentary, the politics of the movies are inconsequential, and their gripes arise from the terrible writing.

[The first Galactic Republic]

The sequels were less political than the other trilogies. The originals and prequels had allegories on Vietnam, Nixon, Bush...

The sequels had Abrams going, “It’s the Empire, but NEWER!”

[Sildorian Empire]

The sequels were less political than the other trilogies. The originals and prequels had allegories on Vietnam, Nixon, Bush...

The sequels had Abrams going, “It’s the Empire, but NEWER!”

No but you see it had more than one female character in the story so it must be SJW agenda.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

The politics of The Last Jedi were:

Women exist.

They can hold positions of power.

Those women can have Asian heritage.

Men can be wrong.

Blowing things up doesn't solve everything.

These are truly mind-boggeling progressive points in this, the year of our lord 1964.

Edit: Oh, I forgot. War profiteering is bad.

[Andsed]

The people who tend to complain about the ST saw the original movies when they were too young to pick up on the political commentary, to them it was just a fun space movie. As they grew older, they never really looked past it, it was still just a fun space movie to them. Additionally a lot of the anti-Vietnam and other super political stuff in the OT isn’t really meaningful or applicable to people who first saw it as kids in the 80’s and later.

In short, people grew up with the originals as fun movies without deeper meaning, and kept seeing them like that. However, when the ST came out, people looked at them with a critical eye, and saw politicization in a series where they had before seen none. Probably didn’t help that the ST’s commentary is also pretty polarizing in and of itself either.

I like the ST for the most part, but there is plenty that can be criticised that isnt about its commentary. Such as shit writing, bad jokes (TLJ in particular, its one of my biggest issues with that movie), underdeveloped characters and the metric fuck ton of fan service in TROS

Hit the nail right on the head. The politics are not the issue with the ST. They are pretty weak films but that's is because of bad writing and the fact there was no cohesive plan or vision, not because it has social commentary.

[Pythaga]

I like the ST for the most part, but there is plenty that can be criticised that isnt about its commentary. Such as shit writing, bad jokes (TLJ in particular, its one of my biggest issues with that movie), underdeveloped characters and the metric fuck ton of fan service in TROS

Hit the nail right on the head. The politics are not the issue with the ST. They are pretty weak films but that's is because of bad writing and the fact there was no cohesive plan or vision, not because it has social commentary.

I think that not having a cohesive plan and letting different directors do whatever they want was a bad idea. Had JJ Abrams done all three, they would’ve made a much more cohesive trilogy. The written probably wouldn’t have been much better though.

[New haven america]

The people who tend to complain about the ST saw the original movies when they were too young to pick up on the political commentary, to them it was just a fun space movie. As they grew older, they never really looked past it, it was still just a fun space movie to them. Additionally a lot of the anti-Vietnam and other super political stuff in the OT isn’t really meaningful or applicable to people who first saw it as kids in the 80’s and later.

In short, people grew up with the originals as fun movies without deeper meaning, and kept seeing them like that. However, when the ST came out, people looked at them with a critical eye, and saw politicization in a series where they had before seen none. Probably didn’t help that the ST’s commentary is also pretty polarizing in and of itself either.

Or maybe it's because the ST was badly written, not planned out, and was mostly based around the politics of 1 chick who works at Lucasfilms (And who subsequently got fired from Lucasfilms) without any hint of this thing called "Subtlety".

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

The people who tend to complain about the ST saw the original movies when they were too young to pick up on the political commentary, to them it was just a fun space movie. As they grew older, they never really looked past it, it was still just a fun space movie to them. Additionally a lot of the anti-Vietnam and other super political stuff in the OT isn’t really meaningful or applicable to people who first saw it as kids in the 80’s and later.

In short, people grew up with the originals as fun movies without deeper meaning, and kept seeing them like that. However, when the ST came out, people looked at them with a critical eye, and saw politicization in a series where they had before seen none. Probably didn’t help that the ST’s commentary is also pretty polarizing in and of itself either.

Or maybe it's because the ST was badly written, not planned out, and was mostly based around the politics of 1 chick who works at Lucasfilms (And who got fired from Lucasfilms) without any hint of this thing called "Subtlety".

What politics?

[Pythaga]

The people who tend to complain about the ST saw the original movies when they were too young to pick up on the political commentary, to them it was just a fun space movie. As they grew older, they never really looked past it, it was still just a fun space movie to them. Additionally a lot of the anti-Vietnam and other super political stuff in the OT isn’t really meaningful or applicable to people who first saw it as kids in the 80’s and later.

In short, people grew up with the originals as fun movies without deeper meaning, and kept seeing them like that. However, when the ST came out, people looked at them with a critical eye, and saw politicization in a series where they had before seen none. Probably didn’t help that the ST’s commentary is also pretty polarizing in and of itself either.

Or maybe it's because the ST was badly written, not planned out, and was mostly based around the politics of 1 chick who works at Lucasfilms (And who got fired from Lucasfilms) without any hint of this thing called "Subtlety".

I completely agree with you. My comment was in response to someone wondering why the ST gets hate for being political when the originals were as well. I don't believe that they were bad only because of the politics, that is just one piece of the puzzle.

I really should have started that post with "The people who tend to complain about the ST's politics..." instead.

[Pythaga]

Or maybe it's because the ST was badly written, not planned out, and was mostly based around the politics of 1 chick who works at Lucasfilms (And who got fired from Lucasfilms) without any hint of this thing called "Subtlety".

What politics?

All art, cinema included, reflects the views of the artist. Many who dislike the ST complain about it being 'politicized'. How accurate of a statement that is depends on the views of the person making it.

[Alvecia]

Just ordered a whole bunch of Aphra comics. Should arrive tomorrow, so I got that going for me, which is nice.

[Pythaga]

Just ordered a whole bunch of Aphra comics. Should arrive tomorrow, so I got that going for me, which is nice.

I've never read any of those, how are they?

[Idzequitch]

The patricide argument falls apart when you realize that were talking about Vader here, the right hand to the emperor and who has killed millions and is a symbol of oppression to the galaxy. I don't think Luke needed any encouragement to want to see him dead. And the idea of him being a Mary Sue is fucking absurd. He fails all the damm time. In fights and upholding the Jedi Code and in the fact it was his failings as a teacher that led to Anakin falling to dark side. Not liking him is one thing but calling him a "characterless, stupid and poorly-designed Mary Sue" is dumb.

1- It doesn't. Obi-Wan doesn't convince Luke to "go kill Vader because he's a Sith who's at least partially responsible for a genocide" -he pretty much doesn't say this, and its clear Luke's beef with Vader is not as "chief enforcer of a totalitarian, slavering, genocidal regime" but as "You killed my father". He tries to convince Luke to kill him because "I knew your father, Vader killed him". Which is even more hilarious because he's basically sending a guy who's had 3-4 days of training (if even that) to go fight one of the five most well-trained Force Users who're still around. Which doesn't really endear him to me any further, but that's irrelevant.

2- He only gets that when he's developed, which happens with other content. Legends, The Clone Wars, etc. In the Trilogy, he's basically the exact thing people accuse Rey of being: A characterless, stupid and poorly-designed Mary Sue who succeeds where he logically should not because he's the good guy and literally no other reason, who's virtually never faced with consequences for his actions -meta or in canon- and who's pretty much the only character who can break convention and warp morality by "it's alright when he does it".

I actually rebutted your Mary Sue claim along with all your other claims several posts back, but just a reminder. Maul basically beat Obi-Wan and was defeated only because he got overconfident before the job was done. Dooku straight up beat Obi-Wan twice. Grievous pushed Obi-Wan to the edge, even as that was a battle Obi-Wan deserved to win. Yoda told Obi-Wan that he wasn't up to the challenge of facing Sidious, so when he went after Anakin instead, he won due to a tactical error made by Anakin in his rage. This isn't Rey just magically knowing what to do and then executing things perfectly. This is a guy who fails pretty consistently, despite a lifetime of training. Your argument just doesn't hold any water.

[Alvecia]

Just ordered a whole bunch of Aphra comics. Should arrive tomorrow, so I got that going for me, which is nice.

I've never read any of those, how are they?

I went through the Vader series by Kieron Gillen, and those were great. She pops up in one of the volumes, and I've heard good things about the series, so I thought I'd splash.
The Vader series was excellent, so I'm looking forward to these, I'll let you know.

[Aeritai]

I've never read any of those, how are they?

I went through the Vader series by Kieron Gillen, and those were great. She pops up in one of the volumes, and I've heard good things about the series, so I thought I'd splash.
The Vader series was excellent, so I'm looking forward to these, I'll let you know.

Aren't those comics getting backlash from stealing fan art?

https://youtu.be/T8ALKjrRySo

[Pythaga]

I went through the Vader series by Kieron Gillen, and those were great. She pops up in one of the volumes, and I've heard good things about the series, so I thought I'd splash.
The Vader series was excellent, so I'm looking forward to these, I'll let you know.

Aren't those comics getting backlash from stealing fan art?

https://youtu.be/T8ALKjrRySo

I've heard that a lot of different Star Wars comics have been stealing art, which is really stupid considering that they have the entirety of Marvel at their disposal. Who gets a job as an artist at Marvel only to steal work? Super lazy and unprofessional.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Aren't those comics getting backlash from stealing fan art?

https://youtu.be/T8ALKjrRySo

I've heard that a lot of different Star Wars comics have been stealing art, which is really stupid considering that they have the entirety of Marvel at their disposal. Who gets a job as an artist at Marvel only to steal work? Super lazy and unprofessional.

That’s been happening with Transformers comics too, of all things.

I can’t know for sure, but a common problem with these franchises is that the artist is freelance and not familiar with the source material so they look up references. Referencing sometimes becomes tracing and recycled poses.