Star Wars: The Force Shall Free Us All

[Sildorian Empire]

I would have accepted it if you'd pointed out that the whole situation was Palpatine trying to "turn" Ezra (If you notice, Palps actually enters the WbW from the same portal-thing) but that? Yes. It is hypocritical. They could have made a plan to make Kanan survive without letting others know he had, and allow him to come back to "civilization" later (like what happened with Ahsoka). Just force-pull him out of the blast-zone from a distance the moment after he pushes the Gunship away, and put him back into the blastzone after the explosion so he doesn't die. Or literally any other solution. How is Kanan remaining dead a "need of the many" anyway lmao [Also, given Ahsoka not dying doesn't create a Time Paradox, I'm pretty sure that doesn't actually exist in SW canon].

...So how is Ezra dying after saving Kanan and thus being unable to go back in time to save him not a paradox?

So how would Ezra die by saving Kanan in the first place? That's like saying Ezra should have died by saving Ahsoka.

[Vassenor]

He sees Kanan holding back the explosive wave. Ezra tries to intervene but Ahsoka tells him that his master gave his life so that he and the others could live. If he is taken out of this moment, she warns him that the other rebels would die. When Ezra says that she doesn't understand, Ahsoka responds that she couldn't save her master and neither could he. She tells him to let go and honor Kanan's sacrifice. Ezra reluctantly agrees and watches his master's final moments. She tells him that he must recognize that Kanan found the moment when he was needed most and that he did what he had to do for everyone. Ezra realizes that this was his final lesson. He wishes that his life was different and that his parents were still around.

Besides, from a narrative perspective his survival makes no sense, given that Luke's character arc between ANH and ESB is that there's been no-one to train him after Ben died.

[Sildorian Empire]

He sees Kanan holding back the explosive wave. Ezra tries to intervene but Ahsoka tells him that his master gave his life so that he and the others could live. If he is taken out of this moment, she warns him that the other rebels would die. When Ezra says that she doesn't understand, Ahsoka responds that she couldn't save her master and neither could he. She tells him to let go and honor Kanan's sacrifice. Ezra reluctantly agrees and watches his master's final moments. She tells him that he must recognize that Kanan found the moment when he was needed most and that he did what he had to do for everyone. Ezra realizes that this was his final lesson. He wishes that his life was different and that his parents were still around.

Besides, from a narrative perspective his survival makes no sense, given that Luke's character arc between ANH and ESB is that there's been no-one to train him after Ben died.

1- Like I said, they could have waited for Kanan to force-push the gunship away -thus rescuing the other rebels-, force-pull him away from the explosion, explain to him what happened, and put him back in the place. Or use any other thousands of possible methods to reach this same result. Like they did with Ahsoka.

2- Yes. But that's a Doylist explanation. It makes no sense within the parameters of the story, only in the larger meta narrative -which is pretty much why Ezra himself later gets marooned on Chimeraea alongside Thrawn.

[Dylar]

Besides, from a narrative perspective his survival makes no sense, given that Luke's character arc between ANH and ESB is that there's been no-one to train him after Ben died.

1- Like I said, they could have waited for Kanan to force-push the gunship away -thus rescuing the other rebels-, force-pull him away from the explosion, explain to him what happened, and put him back in the place. Or use any other thousands of possible methods to reach this same result. Like they did with Ahsoka.

I mean Ahsoka was in the middle of a saber fight and not a giant fuel explosion

[Sildorian Empire]

1- Like I said, they could have waited for Kanan to force-push the gunship away -thus rescuing the other rebels-, force-pull him away from the explosion, explain to him what happened, and put him back in the place. Or use any other thousands of possible methods to reach this same result. Like they did with Ahsoka.

I mean Ahsoka was in the middle of a saber fight and not a giant fuel explosion

That doesn't really mean much when you have The Force though. I get why it didn't happen. The Meta narrative of Luke being "The Last Jedi", so to speak, necessitates that all the Jedi are removed from the fray. Something they'll have to do with Cal Kestis too now that his story's getting a sequel.

[Andsed]

I mean Ahsoka was in the middle of a saber fight and not a giant fuel explosion

That doesn't really mean much when you have The Force though. I get why it didn't happen. The Meta narrative of Luke being "The Last Jedi", so to speak, necessitates that all the Jedi are removed from the fray. Something they'll have to do with Cal Kestis too now that his story's getting a sequel.

Unrelated tangent here but I really dislike the idea of Luke (and now Rey) being "the last Jedi" because of all the story ideas it has killed. Like the story possibility's for a new Jedi Order are basically endless. We could have had all these old characters like Cal and Ahsoka helping to teach a new Jedi Order alongside Luke which could have made for plenty of great stories examining the Old Order and it's code and how it's flaws. And we could have gotten a bunch of new original Jedi characters giving even more story possibility's. I just really feel like it was a lot of wasted opportunity.

[Sildorian Empire]

That doesn't really mean much when you have The Force though. I get why it didn't happen. The Meta narrative of Luke being "The Last Jedi", so to speak, necessitates that all the Jedi are removed from the fray. Something they'll have to do with Cal Kestis too now that his story's getting a sequel.

Unrelated tangent here but I really dislike the idea of Luke (and now Rey) being "the last Jedi" because of all the story ideas it has killed. Like the story possibility's for a new Jedi Order are basically endless. We could have had all these old characters like Cal and Ahsoka helping to teach a new Jedi Order alongside Luke which could have made for plenty of great stories examining the Old Order and it's code and how it's flaws. And we could have gotten a bunch of new original Jedi characters giving even more story possibility's. I just really feel like it was a lot of wasted opportunity.

I agree with you, but its sadly a inherited and permanent fact that the whole of the canon has to be built around. If you have any other Jedi around 1 BBY, they either have to die, go into hiding, or somehow not come to help Luke Skywalker after the Battle of Yavin

[The first Galactic Republic]

Bo-Katan is odd. The story treats her like a full on good guy, teaming up with the heroes throughout two going on three shows now and always opposing the main antagonists. Thing is, she was with Pre Vizsla up until his death. She was fine with him and his horrible actions and only left because Maul took over. Sure, we never see her personally commit terrible Death Watch atrocities, but she was canonically there the whole time. She was around when Pre Vizsla was introduced. Around when he launched evil scheme after evil scheme. Around for his entire tenure as an antagonist. She wasn’t in the show yet, but she was canonically there. Canonically complicit.

She only leaves because Pre Vizsla senpai dies horribly and thus can never notice her.

Satine is the good guy. Satine tried to end eons of space Attila the Hunism. Bo-Katan wanted to return to it and was fine with the violence required to make this so. She’s only palatable as a good guy because we the audience just don’t see her do anything wrong.

Bonus villainy points come from knowledge of Death Watch’s backstory in the old EU. Death Watch had long been involved in a civil war over Mandalore, and Pre’s predecessor, Tor Vizsla, was a super card carrying villain. He slaughtered peasants, raped teenage girls, bragged about opening people’s throats with his bare friggin’ hands, and was otherwise an all around douche. Canonically, since the first six seasons of Clone Wars are part to the old EU and the modern canon, Bo-Katan was there for all this thinking, “Gee, I’m doing the right thing for Mandalore”

She’s also entirely selfish in her actions, helping heroes only when it’s good for her personally. I seriously rolled my eyes at her actions at the end of the new season. She pridefully demands aid from the Republic and acts like they basically need to help her because they’re the space police and she’s a citizen making a lawful complaint or something and is therefore entitled to help. She certainly seems to think she isn’t the deposed leader by default of a former terrorist cell more or less begging a previous enemy for help. She then has a Republic invasion fighting on her behalf, getting many cloned killed in the process (isn’t the moral of Clone Wars that clones are people too?) all so she can be in power. Then, as soon as the fighting is over, she expects the Republic to leave and let her rule independently. Sure, those clones were thirty minutes away from becoming stormtroopers and a Republic occupation would have meant an Imperial occupation, but she doesn’t have any way of knowing that. She’s right for the wrong reasons. I wonder if we the audience are expected to remember she was canonically shooting at Republic characters and pacifist Mandalorians not that long ago.

She strikes me as a selfish, one note character. Maybe she’s meant to be a light shade of gray esque antihero, but having a Death Watch backstory and being primarily motivated by a selfish desire for power at all times pushes her over the line. Imagine we have a high ranking member of Al-Qaeda. Suddenly they lose power and influence when ISIS takes over, so they defect over to the west and suddenly expect help fulfilling their original, extremist goals just because they’re the lesser of two evils now.

She falls into the trap a lot of supposed to be badass female antiheroes fall into in these kinds of actions stories. They want her tough and no nonsense, but she comes across as self-absorbed, overly violent, and severely lacking in empathy. This is how male action heroes were written in the 90’s. Ideally, strong female characters should skip that dark age.

She has a line in the new episodes about wishing she was good at something besides fighting. That’s about the most development I’ve seen from her so far.

[HC Eredivisie]

Can we all agree that this is pretty fucking stupid of Rebels though. And it doesn't even make sense both in reality and in-universe?

Everything about Rebels is stupid.

Except for the parts that aren't though.

It's hypocritical for her to recognise a case of the needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few? Ezra pulls Kanan out of that situation, he can't contain the explosion, people die. Including Ezra, and oh hey, you've just created a time paradox.

I would have accepted it if you'd pointed out that the whole situation was Palpatine trying to "turn" Ezra (If you notice, Palps actually enters the WbW from the same portal-thing) but that? Yes. It is hypocritical. They could have made a plan to make Kanan survive without letting others know he had, and allow him to come back to "civilization" later (like what happened with Ahsoka). Just force-pull him out of the blast-zone from a distance the moment after he pushes the Gunship away, and put him back into the blastzone after the explosion so he doesn't die. Or literally any other solution. How is Kanan remaining dead a "need of the many" anyway lmao [Also, given Ahsoka not dying doesn't create a Time Paradox, I'm pretty sure that doesn't actually exist in SW canon].

Ahsoka just got pulled to the future, which would be weird for the people around her (Vader) but didn't change much in her situation. From what I remember Kanan was containing an explosion which would kill people and there was no moment he got be removed without drasticly changing events. The explanation made sense to me at the moment.

Also, I wonder: did Vader think back to his fight with Ahsoka when he killed Obi Wan? Both just suddenly disappeard from him.

[Vassenor]

Also, look at the iconography of the portal. The whole thing was a sith illusion.

[Kathol Rift]

Bo-Katan is odd. The story treats her like a full on good guy, teaming up with the heroes throughout two going on three shows now and always opposing the main antagonists. Thing is, she was with Pre Vizsla up until his death. She was fine with him and his horrible actions and only left because Maul took over. Sure, we never see her personally commit terrible Death Watch atrocities, but she was canonically there the whole time. She was around when Pre Vizsla was introduced. Around when he launched evil scheme after evil scheme. Around for his entire tenure as an antagonist. She wasn’t in the show yet, but she was canonically there. Canonically complicit.

She only leaves because Pre Vizsla senpai dies horribly and thus can never notice her.

Satine is the good guy. Satine tried to end eons of space Attila the Hunism. Bo-Katan wanted to return to it and was fine with the violence required to make this so. She’s only palatable as a good guy because we the audience just don’t see her do anything wrong.

Bonus villainy points come from knowledge of Death Watch’s backstory in the old EU. Death Watch had long been involved in a civil war over Mandalore, and Pre’s predecessor, Tor Vizsla, was a super card carrying villain. He slaughtered peasants, raped teenage girls, bragged about opening people’s throats with his bare friggin’ hands, and was otherwise an all around douche. Canonically, since the first six seasons of Clone Wars are part to the old EU and the modern canon, Bo-Katan was there for all this thinking, “Gee, I’m doing the right thing for Mandalore”

She’s also entirely selfish in her actions, helping heroes only when it’s good for her personally. I seriously rolled my eyes at her actions at the end of the new season. She pridefully demands aid from the Republic and acts like they basically need to help her because they’re the space police and she’s a citizen making a lawful complaint or something and is therefore entitled to help. She certainly seems to think she isn’t the deposed leader by default of a former terrorist cell more or less begging a previous enemy for help. She then has a Republic invasion fighting on her behalf, getting many cloned killed in the process (isn’t the moral of Clone Wars that clones are people too?) all so she can be in power. Then, as soon as the fighting is over, she expects the Republic to leave and let her rule independently. Sure, those clones were thirty minutes away from becoming stormtroopers and a Republic occupation would have meant an Imperial occupation, but she doesn’t have any way of knowing that. She’s right for the wrong reasons. I wonder if we the audience are expected to remember she was canonically shooting at Republic characters and pacifist Mandalorians not that long ago.

She strikes me as a selfish, one note character. Maybe she’s meant to be a light shade of gray esque antihero, but having a Death Watch backstory and being primarily motivated by a selfish desire for power at all times pushes her over the line. Imagine we have a high ranking member of Al-Qaeda. Suddenly they lose power and influence when ISIS takes over, so they defect over to the west and suddenly expect help fulfilling their original, extremist goals just because they’re the lesser of two evils now.

She falls into the trap a lot of supposed to be badass female antiheroes fall into in these kinds of actions stories. They want her tough and no nonsense, but she comes across as self-absorbed, overly violent, and severely lacking in empathy. This is how male action heroes were written in the 90’s. Ideally, strong female characters should skip that dark age.

She has a line in the new episodes about wishing she was good at something besides fighting. That’s about the most development I’ve seen from her so far.

For one point, I’m pretty sure that Tor Viszla’s death watch isn’t canon at all anymore. If it was, they would need to make the True Mandalorians canon, which then makes Jango a Mandalorian. And that completely gets rid of the entire clone wars storyline of the planet of Mandalore giving up their warrior ways, and all the warriors leaving. So Bo-Katan couldn’t have been there for something that didn’t happen in canon. That doesn’t mean that Pre Viszla didn’t do one of the same stuff, because I’m sure that he did, but I’m pretty sure that Tor Viszla isn’t canon.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Bo-Katan is odd. The story treats her like a full on good guy, teaming up with the heroes throughout two going on three shows now and always opposing the main antagonists. Thing is, she was with Pre Vizsla up until his death. She was fine with him and his horrible actions and only left because Maul took over. Sure, we never see her personally commit terrible Death Watch atrocities, but she was canonically there the whole time. She was around when Pre Vizsla was introduced. Around when he launched evil scheme after evil scheme. Around for his entire tenure as an antagonist. She wasn’t in the show yet, but she was canonically there. Canonically complicit.

She only leaves because Pre Vizsla senpai dies horribly and thus can never notice her.

Satine is the good guy. Satine tried to end eons of space Attila the Hunism. Bo-Katan wanted to return to it and was fine with the violence required to make this so. She’s only palatable as a good guy because we the audience just don’t see her do anything wrong.

Bonus villainy points come from knowledge of Death Watch’s backstory in the old EU. Death Watch had long been involved in a civil war over Mandalore, and Pre’s predecessor, Tor Vizsla, was a super card carrying villain. He slaughtered peasants, raped teenage girls, bragged about opening people’s throats with his bare friggin’ hands, and was otherwise an all around douche. Canonically, since the first six seasons of Clone Wars are part to the old EU and the modern canon, Bo-Katan was there for all this thinking, “Gee, I’m doing the right thing for Mandalore”

She’s also entirely selfish in her actions, helping heroes only when it’s good for her personally. I seriously rolled my eyes at her actions at the end of the new season. She pridefully demands aid from the Republic and acts like they basically need to help her because they’re the space police and she’s a citizen making a lawful complaint or something and is therefore entitled to help. She certainly seems to think she isn’t the deposed leader by default of a former terrorist cell more or less begging a previous enemy for help. She then has a Republic invasion fighting on her behalf, getting many cloned killed in the process (isn’t the moral of Clone Wars that clones are people too?) all so she can be in power. Then, as soon as the fighting is over, she expects the Republic to leave and let her rule independently. Sure, those clones were thirty minutes away from becoming stormtroopers and a Republic occupation would have meant an Imperial occupation, but she doesn’t have any way of knowing that. She’s right for the wrong reasons. I wonder if we the audience are expected to remember she was canonically shooting at Republic characters and pacifist Mandalorians not that long ago.

She strikes me as a selfish, one note character. Maybe she’s meant to be a light shade of gray esque antihero, but having a Death Watch backstory and being primarily motivated by a selfish desire for power at all times pushes her over the line. Imagine we have a high ranking member of Al-Qaeda. Suddenly they lose power and influence when ISIS takes over, so they defect over to the west and suddenly expect help fulfilling their original, extremist goals just because they’re the lesser of two evils now.

She falls into the trap a lot of supposed to be badass female antiheroes fall into in these kinds of actions stories. They want her tough and no nonsense, but she comes across as self-absorbed, overly violent, and severely lacking in empathy. This is how male action heroes were written in the 90’s. Ideally, strong female characters should skip that dark age.

She has a line in the new episodes about wishing she was good at something besides fighting. That’s about the most development I’ve seen from her so far.

For one point, I’m pretty sure that Tor Viszla’s death watch isn’t canon at all anymore. If it was, they would need to make the True Mandalorians canon, which then makes Jango a Mandalorian. And that completely gets rid of the entire clone wars storyline of the planet of Mandalore giving up their warrior ways, and all the warriors leaving. So Bo-Katan couldn’t have been there for something that didn’t happen in canon. That doesn’t mean that Pre Viszla didn’t do one of the same stuff, because I’m sure that he did, but I’m pretty sure that Tor Viszla isn’t canon.

I mean, yes, I acknowledge that. Just talking about her EU self for a minute, since she exists in both canon and legends.

Her canon self is still a DeathWatchaboo.

[Kathol Rift]

For one point, I’m pretty sure that Tor Viszla’s death watch isn’t canon at all anymore. If it was, they would need to make the True Mandalorians canon, which then makes Jango a Mandalorian. And that completely gets rid of the entire clone wars storyline of the planet of Mandalore giving up their warrior ways, and all the warriors leaving. So Bo-Katan couldn’t have been there for something that didn’t happen in canon. That doesn’t mean that Pre Viszla didn’t do one of the same stuff, because I’m sure that he did, but I’m pretty sure that Tor Viszla isn’t canon.

I mean, yes, I acknowledge that. Just talking about her EU self for a minute, since she exists in both canon and legends.

Her canon self is still a DeathWatchaboo.

True enough. In all honesty though, the Death Watch under her control is much more like the True Mandalorians from Legends than the Death Watch from Legends. They are more concerned with just being allowed to be Mandalorian warriors on Mandalore than taking over the galaxy. Legends Death Watch was all about using organized crime to try to rebuild the Mandalorian Empire, but canon Death Watch never mentioned that at all. They just wanted to be on Mandalore again.

[Sildorian Empire]

For one point, I’m pretty sure that Tor Viszla’s death watch isn’t canon at all anymore. If it was, they would need to make the True Mandalorians canon, which then makes Jango a Mandalorian. And that completely gets rid of the entire clone wars storyline of the planet of Mandalore giving up their warrior ways, and all the warriors leaving. So Bo-Katan couldn’t have been there for something that didn’t happen in canon. That doesn’t mean that Pre Viszla didn’t do one of the same stuff, because I’m sure that he did, but I’m pretty sure that Tor Viszla isn’t canon.

Eh. Ignoring the whole part where Lucas himself said Jango's not a mando (which I think is being retcon'd as of The Mandalorian) you could argue that "Jango Fett was not a mando", at least within the boundaries of canon (but not the meta narrative), it's just the position of the New Mandalore, which is decidedly trying to eradicate Mandalorian culture (and possibly exile all the "Warrior clans", some of whom later becoming Death Watch). So Jango being an "actual" mando (culturally, if not "really") doesn't really change anything where New Mandalore and the Clone Wars Era Civil War is concerned.

[The first Galactic Republic]

I mean, yes, I acknowledge that. Just talking about her EU self for a minute, since she exists in both canon and legends.

Her canon self is still a DeathWatchaboo.

True enough. In all honesty though, the Death Watch under her control is much more like the True Mandalorians from Legends than the Death Watch from Legends. They are more concerned with just being allowed to be Mandalorian warriors on Mandalore than taking over the galaxy. Legends Death Watch was all about using organized crime to try to rebuild the Mandalorian Empire, but canon Death Watch never mentioned that at all. They just wanted to be on Mandalore again.

We were bad, but now we’re good.png

[HC Eredivisie]

Also, look at the iconography of the portal. The whole thing was a sith illusion.

Then how did Ahsoka got pulled through time or do I misunderstand you?

[Sildorian Empire]

Also, look at the iconography of the portal. The whole thing was a sith illusion.

Then how did Ahsoka got pulled through time or do I misunderstand you?

No Vass is right, which I already pointed out. The portal with Kanan is basically Pals trying to "turn" Ezra, and not an actual thing like Ahsoka's portal was.

[Kathol Rift]

For one point, I’m pretty sure that Tor Viszla’s death watch isn’t canon at all anymore. If it was, they would need to make the True Mandalorians canon, which then makes Jango a Mandalorian. And that completely gets rid of the entire clone wars storyline of the planet of Mandalore giving up their warrior ways, and all the warriors leaving. So Bo-Katan couldn’t have been there for something that didn’t happen in canon. That doesn’t mean that Pre Viszla didn’t do one of the same stuff, because I’m sure that he did, but I’m pretty sure that Tor Viszla isn’t canon.

Eh. Ignoring the whole part where Lucas himself said Jango's not a mando (which I think is being retcon'd as of The Mandalorian) you could argue that "Jango Fett was not a mando", at least within the boundaries of canon (but not the meta narrative), it's just the position of the New Mandalore, which is decidedly trying to eradicate Mandalorian culture (and possibly exile all the "Warrior clans", some of whom later becoming Death Watch). So Jango being an "actual" mando (culturally, if not "really") doesn't really change anything where New Mandalore and the Clone Wars Era Civil War is concerned.

I don’t think that The Mandalorian is retconning that. They might be pulling a Legends move with Boba though, and having him become Mandalorian. But still, the existence of the True Mandalorian faction would not fit within the Clone Wars storyline, otherwise their mortal enemies, the Death Watch, or their other mortal enemies, the New Mandalorians, would have mentioned them at some point, and they would have done something when Mandalore was getting chaotically invaded by the Republic, or when Mandalore was getting taken over by criminals.

[Sildorian Empire]

Eh. Ignoring the whole part where Lucas himself said Jango's not a mando (which I think is being retcon'd as of The Mandalorian) you could argue that "Jango Fett was not a mando", at least within the boundaries of canon (but not the meta narrative), it's just the position of the New Mandalore, which is decidedly trying to eradicate Mandalorian culture (and possibly exile all the "Warrior clans", some of whom later becoming Death Watch). So Jango being an "actual" mando (culturally, if not "really") doesn't really change anything where New Mandalore and the Clone Wars Era Civil War is concerned.

I don’t think that The Mandalorian is retconning that. They might be pulling a Legends move with Boba though, and having him become Mandalorian. But still, the existence of the True Mandalorian faction would not fit within the Clone Wars storyline, otherwise their mortal enemies, the Death Watch, or their other mortal enemies, the New Mandalorians, would have mentioned them at some point, and they would have done something when Mandalore was getting chaotically invaded by the Republic, or when Mandalore was getting taken over by criminals.

Why not? Within Legends, True Mandalorians were wiped out long before the Clone Wars. Of course we wouldn't see them in action. That said, while their "successors" in the Protectors are apparently canon again, to a certain degree, they themselves aren't canon, so I'm not sure how useful this "They could be" thing I'm pulling even is.

[Kathol Rift]

I don’t think that The Mandalorian is retconning that. They might be pulling a Legends move with Boba though, and having him become Mandalorian. But still, the existence of the True Mandalorian faction would not fit within the Clone Wars storyline, otherwise their mortal enemies, the Death Watch, or their other mortal enemies, the New Mandalorians, would have mentioned them at some point, and they would have done something when Mandalore was getting chaotically invaded by the Republic, or when Mandalore was getting taken over by criminals.

Why not? Within Legends, True Mandalorians were wiped out long before the Clone Wars. Of course we wouldn't see them in action. That said, while their "successors" in the Protectors are apparently canon again, to a certain degree, they themselves aren't canon, so I'm not sure how useful this "They could be" thing I'm pulling even is.

I just find it hard to believe that the various Mandalorians that would have previously been in the True Mandalorians would have sat by and let all of that happen to Mandalore. I could be wrong, but I doubt they would have just sat and watched all that if they were canon. But like you said, it’s a moot point, because they aren’t. And that displeases me.

[Sildorian Empire]

Why not? Within Legends, True Mandalorians were wiped out long before the Clone Wars. Of course we wouldn't see them in action. That said, while their "successors" in the Protectors are apparently canon again, to a certain degree, they themselves aren't canon, so I'm not sure how useful this "They could be" thing I'm pulling even is.

I just find it hard to believe that the various Mandalorians that would have previously been in the True Mandalorians would have sat by and let all of that happen to Mandalore. I could be wrong, but I doubt they would have just sat and watched all that if they were canon. But like you said, it’s a moot point, because they aren’t. And that displeases me.

I mean, they didn't do anything about it back when they were canon either, because outside of some respected but functionally powerless "Spiritual successor", they had little to no presence left after nearly all of them were wiped out by the Jedi ages before the Death Watch could even muster an actual attempt against New Mandalore.

[Dylar]

Why not? Within Legends, True Mandalorians were wiped out long before the Clone Wars. Of course we wouldn't see them in action. That said, while their "successors" in the Protectors are apparently canon again, to a certain degree, they themselves aren't canon, so I'm not sure how useful this "They could be" thing I'm pulling even is.

I just find it hard to believe that the various Mandalorians that would have previously been in the True Mandalorians would have sat by and let all of that happen to Mandalore. I could be wrong, but I doubt they would have just sat and watched all that if they were canon. But like you said, it’s a moot point, because they aren’t. And that displeases me.

Did you ever hear the tradgedy of the True Mandalorians at Galidraan?

[Kathol Rift]

I just find it hard to believe that the various Mandalorians that would have previously been in the True Mandalorians would have sat by and let all of that happen to Mandalore. I could be wrong, but I doubt they would have just sat and watched all that if they were canon. But like you said, it’s a moot point, because they aren’t. And that displeases me.

I mean, they didn't do anything about it back when they were canon either, because outside of some respected but functionally powerless "Spiritual successor", they had little to no presence left after nearly all of them were wiped out by the Jedi ages before the Death Watch could even muster an actual attempt against New Mandalore.

Yeah, but there were still lots of Mandalorians on Mandalore that used to have been art of the True Mandalorians during the Clone Wars, or there was in Legends at least. We saw it in the Republic Commando books. I feel like if that existed in Canon, that would have been the Death Watch’s priority over the New Mandalorians, because actual Mandalorians are much more of a threat than the pacifists.

I just find it hard to believe that the various Mandalorians that would have previously been in the True Mandalorians would have sat by and let all of that happen to Mandalore. I could be wrong, but I doubt they would have just sat and watched all that if they were canon. But like you said, it’s a moot point, because they aren’t. And that displeases me.

Did you ever hear the tradgedy of the True Mandalorians at Galidraan?

Yes, yes I have. There were still lots of Mandalorians alive after that, it was just that True Mandalorian army that got destroyed.

[Sildorian Empire]

I mean, they didn't do anything about it back when they were canon either, because outside of some respected but functionally powerless "Spiritual successor", they had little to no presence left after nearly all of them were wiped out by the Jedi ages before the Death Watch could even muster an actual attempt against New Mandalore.

Yeah, but there were still lots of Mandalorians on Mandalore that used to have been art of the True Mandalorians during the Clone Wars, or there was in Legends at least. We saw it in the Republic Commando books. I feel like if that existed in Canon, that would have been the Death Watch’s priority over the New Mandalorians, because actual Mandalorians are much more of a threat than the pacifists.

Did you ever hear the tradgedy of the True Mandalorians at Galidraan?

Yes, yes I have. There were still lots of Mandalorians alive after that, it was just that True Mandalorian army that got destroyed.

The True Mandalorian Army that got destroyed by the Jedi. The True Mand'alor who went MIA and basically sold into slavery afterwards. That sort of thing typically does a lot to a people's psyche. Especially when they're functionally under a regime that propagandizes against their culture in its entirety. Let's not forget, Galdiraan happened almost half a century earlier.

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I mean, they didn't do anything about it back when they were canon either, because outside of some respected but functionally powerless "Spiritual successor", they had little to no presence left after nearly all of them were wiped out by the Jedi ages before the Death Watch could even muster an actual attempt against New Mandalore.

Yeah, but there were still lots of Mandalorians on Mandalore that used to have been art of the True Mandalorians during the Clone Wars, or there was in Legends at least. We saw it in the Republic Commando books. I feel like if that existed in Canon, that would have been the Death Watch’s priority over the New Mandalorians, because actual Mandalorians are much more of a threat than the pacifists.

I don't think Kal Skirata and Walon Vau were True Mandalorians. They were cuy'val dar and they hated Death Watch but I don't think that makes them True Mandalorians.