Star Wars: The Force Shall Free Us All

[Fedel]

I've come to realize I was wrong about TROS. Enjoy everybody: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCqfgBbFP5s

[Mirial Magna]

In my unbiased opinion, Mirialans are the superior species.

[North German Realm]

Do you think Palpy had a plan in case the CIS accidentally won?

How could they accidentally win though? He was the guy who could issue a surrender on behalf of the Republic.

[Idzequitch]

True, same can be said with battle droids as well.

Correct, which is partly why the CIS held the (moral) high ground.

And yet the Republic tried it. And then burned, and was crafted into something sinister and evil and spooky. Fitting, really.

[The Huskar Social Union]

True, same can be said with battle droids as well.

Correct, which is partly why the CIS held the (moral) high ground.

But they committed war crimes like every five minutes

[Idzequitch]

Do you think Palpy had a plan in case the CIS accidentally won?

I think he was playing both sides from the start. Had the Republic fared poorly in the Clone War, he would have somehow subverted the confederacy into the Empire or some such.

[Idzequitch]

Correct, which is partly why the CIS held the (moral) high ground.

But they committed war crimes like every five minutes

I've always said I might have actually held some sympathy for the CIS if they hadn't been so cartoonishly and palpably evil. They certainly had some legitimate grievances.

[The Huskar Social Union]

But they committed war crimes like every five minutes

I've always said I might have actually held some sympathy for the CIS if they hadn't been so cartoonishly and palpably evil. They certainly had some legitimate grievances.

"There are heroes on both sides"


LOL IM GONA BARBECUE SOME FUCKING MONKEY PEOPLE WITH MY NEW ARTILLERY


That line always cracked me up about that movie, they didnt show a single good separatist character, they were all evil. And bar a few cases in the clone wars, they are also still all evil.

[North German Realm]

Do you think Palpy had a plan in case the CIS accidentally won?

I think he was playing both sides from the start. Had the Republic fared poorly in the Clone War, he would have somehow subverted the confederacy into the Empire or some such.

Honestly given how much Dooku was pulling his punches as the CIS (and, again, how cartoonishly evil and therefore inefficient the CIS acted), it wasn't really likely for the Republic to lose. He was pretty much just stalling until either Anakin died or he turned, and he'd end the charade. Think about it, there's literally no way for the Civil War to go on that long given the numerical and technological superiority the CIS enjoyed unless Dooku was intentionally making the CIS lose.

I've always said I might have actually held some sympathy for the CIS if they hadn't been so cartoonishly and palpably evil. They certainly had some legitimate grievances.

"There are heroes on both sides"


LOL IM GONA BARBECUE SOME FUCKING MONKEY PEOPLE WITH MY NEW ARTILLERY


That line always cracked me up about that movie, they didnt show a single good separatist character, they were all evil. And bar a few cases in the clone wars, they are also still all evil.

It's less about the action and more about the "just cause of the Confederacy", so to speak. The Confederacy held the moral high ground only in the sense that their grievances were legitimate. Within the war, well assuming TCW wasn't Republic propaganda and that it can be taken as "neutral", then the CIS held no moral high ground where conduct is concerned.

[Alvecia]

I think he was playing both sides from the start. Had the Republic fared poorly in the Clone War, he would have somehow subverted the confederacy into the Empire or some such.

Honestly given how much Dooku was pulling his punches as the CIS (and, again, how cartoonishly evil and therefore inefficient the CIS acted), it wasn't really likely for the Republic to lose. He was pretty much just stalling until either Anakin died or he turned, and he'd end the charade. Think about it, there's literally no way for the Civil War to go on that long given the numerical and technological superiority the CIS enjoyed unless Dooku was intentionally making the CIS lose.

In fairness, a large part of that might be down to Lucas not quite grasping the scale of things when coming up with the numbers for things like Clone production.

[HC Eredivisie]

Correct, which is partly why the CIS held the (moral) high ground.

But they committed war crimes like every five minutes

''Go kill that village over the, not only the men but the women and children too. ''
'' Has it been five minutes already ?'
''Yes, and hurry. we're on a schedule''

[Andsed]

I've always said I might have actually held some sympathy for the CIS if they hadn't been so cartoonishly and palpably evil. They certainly had some legitimate grievances.

"There are heroes on both sides"


LOL IM GONA BARBECUE SOME FUCKING MONKEY PEOPLE WITH MY NEW ARTILLERY


That line always cracked me up about that movie, they didnt show a single good separatist character, they were all evil. And bar a few cases in the clone wars, they are also still all evil.

Or the whole LETS BOMB A RANDOM TWILEK VILLAGE BECAUSE FUCK YOU THATS WHY:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXEwfuC_tuc

[The Huskar Social Union]

But they committed war crimes like every five minutes

''Go kill that village over the, not only the men but the women and children too. ''
'' Has it been five minutes already ?'
''Yes, and hurry. we're on a schedule''

"After this we got a level a city from orbit! Come on! Come on!"

[Hurdergaryp]

But they committed war crimes like every five minutes

''Go kill that village over the, not only the men but the women and children too. ''
'' Has it been five minutes already ?'
''Yes, and hurry. we're on a schedule''

This is exactly why corporate culture is so toxic.

[Andsed]

''Go kill that village over the, not only the men but the women and children too. ''
'' Has it been five minutes already ?'
''Yes, and hurry. we're on a schedule''

"After this we got a level a city from orbit! Come on! Come on!"

¨And then we got to use chemical warfare, preferably on civilians for extra war crimes points.¨

[Hurdergaryp]

"After this we got a level a city from orbit! Come on! Come on!"

¨And then we got to use chemical warfare, preferably on civilians for extra war crimes points.¨

That's one way to settle an interstellar trade dispute.

[The Huskar Social Union]

¨And then we got to use chemical warfare, preferably on civilians for extra war crimes points.¨

That's one way to settle an interstellar trade dispute.

Dont need to worry about an interstellar trade dispute if you incinerate all the other parties


*Black guy tapping head*

[Hurdergaryp]

That's one way to settle an interstellar trade dispute.

Dont need to worry about an interstellar trade dispute if you incinerate all the other parties


*Black guy tapping head*

Can't be good for the economy, though.

[Northern Davincia]

Correct, which is partly why the CIS held the (moral) high ground.

But they committed war crimes like every five minutes

That's basically a prerequisite for any great sci-fi nation.

I've always said I might have actually held some sympathy for the CIS if they hadn't been so cartoonishly and palpably evil. They certainly had some legitimate grievances.

"There are heroes on both sides"


LOL IM GONA BARBECUE SOME FUCKING MONKEY PEOPLE WITH MY NEW ARTILLERY


That line always cracked me up about that movie, they didnt show a single good separatist character, they were all evil. And bar a few cases in the clone wars, they are also still all evil.

Unfortunately I can't use Imperium of Man logic to justify this war crime in particular.

[The first Galactic Republic]

I've always said I might have actually held some sympathy for the CIS if they hadn't been so cartoonishly and palpably evil. They certainly had some legitimate grievances.

"There are heroes on both sides"


LOL IM GONA BARBECUE SOME FUCKING MONKEY PEOPLE WITH MY NEW ARTILLERY


That line always cracked me up about that movie, they didnt show a single good separatist character, they were all evil. And bar a few cases in the clone wars, they are also still all evil.

Lol even little kid me thought that line was odd.

[The first Galactic Republic]

But they committed war crimes like every five minutes

That's basically a prerequisite for any great sci-fi nation.

The Confederacy just thought it was playing a game of Stellaris is all.

[Kathol Rift]

Clones were invariably superior to Battle droids during the clone wars, and the only reason they didn’t steamroll the CIS is because good old Sheev Palpatine deliberately spread the the clone army onto so many fronts for the sole purpose of dragging out the war. Without that, the Republic would have won very quickly.

Change my mind.

[DeltaSource]

Clones were invariably superior to Battle droids during the clone wars, and the only reason they didn’t steamroll the CIS is because good old Sheev Palpatine deliberately spread the the clone army onto so many fronts for the sole purpose of dragging out the war. Without that, the Republic would have won very quickly.

Change my mind.

The only reason the CIS didn't produce more battle droids, and inevitably better ones as well, was also because of Palps. The CIS would have been much larger, as well as much faster, forcing the clones to be spread out thin anyways, a single clone may be superior to a single battle droid, but a hundred battle droids is without a doubt going to defeat a single clone. The odds obviously aren't always going to be 100:1, but the CIS wasn't allowed to produce as many battle droids as they could have due to Palps, and since clones take a longer time to be in fighting shape, the CIS would be the ones steamrolling.

[Mirial Magna]

but the CIS wasn't allowed to produce as many battle droids as they could have due to Palps, and since clones take a longer time to be in fighting shape, the CIS would be the ones steamrolling.

More specifically, due to Dooku intentionally losing Geonosis, the largest (but not only) droid producing world.

[Kathol Rift]

Clones were invariably superior to Battle droids during the clone wars, and the only reason they didn’t steamroll the CIS is because good old Sheev Palpatine deliberately spread the the clone army onto so many fronts for the sole purpose of dragging out the war. Without that, the Republic would have won very quickly.

Change my mind.

The only reason the CIS didn't produce more battle droids, and inevitably better ones as well, was also because of Palps. The CIS would have been much larger, as well as much faster, forcing the clones to be spread out thin anyways, a single clone may be superior to a single battle droid, but a hundred battle droids is without a doubt going to defeat a single clone. The odds obviously aren't always going to be 100:1, but the CIS wasn't allowed to produce as many battle droids as they could have due to Palps, and since clones take a longer time to be in fighting shape, the CIS would be the ones steamrolling.

Aha, but even removing that limit, there were lots of clone commanders and ARC troopers who knew how to beat the CIS. They had a plan to do it, and it was presented to the Chancellor and the Jedi council several times. They had the power to steamroll any separatist center they wanted if they focused on it, but Palps had the entire military involved in sieges all over the place. If they stopped focusing on every minor battlefront, most of which wouldn’t have even been battlefronts if Palps hadn’t wanted it to be so, and focused on the major CIS centers and factories, they could have gotten the CIS one planet at a time. And they had the technology to grow clones faster. If we’re going by Legends here, then Palps had a second clone army in reserve that was grown by using Spaarti technology. They weren’t as high of quality, but it was almost as large as the clone army in service, plus a whole fleet of ships. If the clone commanders had been allowed control of those resources and the battle plans, then the Clone Wars could have been won whether or not Palps limited the CIS, because he wouldn’t have been limiting the Grand Army of the Republic either. Also, the Jedi didn’t learn how to be generals until quite a ways into the war, but they went ahead and did it anyways, wasting countless clone lives in the process. Like I said, if the Clone commanders had been in charge of the clone army, the Republic would almost certainly have won.