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If you could have a legacy upon the Star Wars galaxy, how would you want to be remembered?

As the fearless Jedi Knight, first into the fight against evil
3
4%
As the peacemaking Jedi Master
11
13%
As the shadow that lurks in the dark, influencing the galaxy with subtlety
9
11%
As the Sith Master that reveals themselves and dominates all opposition
18
21%
As the rogue who finds their fortune
2
2%
As the crime boss who lavishes in luxury
1
1%
As the bounty hunter that lives long enough to retire
7
8%
As the veteran soldier who fights for their cause for a lifetime
10
12%
As the daredevil explorer, placing their lives on the line to map the galaxy and reshape its very structure
10
12%
Dude, this galaxy's frickin' crazy, just let me be a normal civilian
13
15%
 
Total votes : 84

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Postby Andsed » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:05 am

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It can perhaps be done if there is an opening elsewhere within the Imperial hierarchy/ongoing roles and you're persuasive with decision makers.

It simply isn't true that absolutely no one benefited from the Empire. I contend that its more accurate to say that it had both winners and losers like any system. The Empire aligns with many of my values by default, so I see it as worthwhile to conform to the Imperial system or do good by it, at least until I'm in a no win situation and I have no choice but to defect or go into hiding. I have reason to believe however, that I could have an Imperial career as bright as Tarkin or Thrawn's.

Its aspirational to want to be part of an orderly but very powerful and magnificent military and civil force, reigning over the galaxy. All of the military buildup was worthwhile to be ready for the Yuuzhan Vong.

You know what would have been helpful against the Yuuzhan Vong? An army of Jedi.

This shows the moral decrepitude of the Empire. There was no higher goal. There never is in dictatorships. In the end, everything serves the power base of Palpatine.

By the way, it does not really matter whether you think you could do well. In fact, it makes it worse. If you willingly become part of a genocidal regime that enforces the worst of race-based chattel slavery, it just means you lack any moral character. The more you try to convince us that, actually, you would do well, the worse your choice actually gets.

Besides the New Republic was able to defeat the Vong. So it stands to reason that the Old Republic if warned would have been able to do so as well. The whole Vong thing was nothing more than a shallow justification to cover up Palptines real intentions. The reason Palptine created the empire was for power. Power that he and the empire abused in their many many crimes.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:24 am

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Oh yes and live under a bunch of the galaxy's most evil corporations and Sith Lords. As nice as Dooku is (to diplomats), he couldn't possibly stop all that greed.

The Galactic Republic Senate is ass tier, but hey it's not as bad as the Big Galactic Clanker Corporation Boogaloo if they got the reins.

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Postby Puczovska » Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:48 am

I just despair at how crap the sequels have been. They were so nostalgia-intensive and made characters look ridiculous, then forced them to feel sad when other characters die. Then Luke dies and nobody cares. Really?
Chewie supposedly dies and people who barely knew him like Rey seemed devastated. Leia died and that was the most convincing reaction to a death actually warranted by those that knew her.
I just hope they don't continue this any further and make even more movies. They are drained of originality and recycle old plot lines of planet-destroying-weapons, Hoth-like battles, and the likes. And I refuse to believe whatever happened in SW9 was planned by JJ in SW7. They clearly had their plans ruined by Rian Johnson and had to cobble together something hurriedly. Honestly they should just go to ancient Star Wars to make films, Mandalorian Wars, Jedi Civil War, KOTOR era. So many interesting figures in that era, Sith and Jedi alike, and those that align with neither side and are a side of their own. Those that hated the sequels are not sexist, they're not upset about the "progressive" storylines. They're fans feeling betrayed by how much the sequels could've been but how little they ended up giving. Even if you think they're "not that bad" but not terrible, I'm still not content because for a franchise like Star Wars it deserves more than "not that bad". It could've been spectacular. They had to pick to continue the story after where Return of the Jedi left off, which in my eyes was the ultimate end to the franchise and should've stayed that way. They keep ignoring the Legends and writing their own garbage for films, and I don't get why. There doesn't need to be fan service or any sort of confusion about where this story will go; just use the Legends in the Canon universe. It's already fleshed out, full of interesting characters, and with original storylines. In my eyes SW7 was a SW4 ripoff but otherwise good, SW8 was a complete trainwreck, and SW9 was a squashed mess of ideas trying to recover the nose-dive Johnson had initiated with the franchise in SW8. The prequels had a lot of faults, but God they lost their way with the sequels too. At least the prequels had a good plot but poor choreography and writing. The sequels have a poor plot that is being made-up as the writers went along, and even poorer writing and choreography. The hope for the franchise to me now is for it to learn from where it went wrong in the sequels and restore hope in Disney's ability to craft a quality set of Star Wars films once more.

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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:05 pm

Stop asking for Old Republic movies you damn well know they're going to taint it.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:06 pm

Puczovska wrote:I just despair at how crap the sequels have been. They were so nostalgia-intensive and made characters look ridiculous, then forced them to feel sad when other characters die. Then Luke dies and nobody cares. Really?
Chewie supposedly dies and people who barely knew him like Rey seemed devastated. Leia died and that was the most convincing reaction to a death actually warranted by those that knew her.
I just hope they don't continue this any further and make even more movies. They are drained of originality and recycle old plot lines of planet-destroying-weapons, Hoth-like battles, and the likes. And I refuse to believe whatever happened in SW9 was planned by JJ in SW7. They clearly had their plans ruined by Rian Johnson and had to cobble together something hurriedly. Honestly they should just go to ancient Star Wars to make films, Mandalorian Wars, Jedi Civil War, KOTOR era. So many interesting figures in that era, Sith and Jedi alike, and those that align with neither side and are a side of their own. Those that hated the sequels are not sexist, they're not upset about the "progressive" storylines. They're fans feeling betrayed by how much the sequels could've been but how little they ended up giving. Even if you think they're "not that bad" but not terrible, I'm still not content because for a franchise like Star Wars it deserves more than "not that bad". It could've been spectacular. They had to pick to continue the story after where Return of the Jedi left off, which in my eyes was the ultimate end to the franchise and should've stayed that way. They keep ignoring the Legends and writing their own garbage for films, and I don't get why. There doesn't need to be fan service or any sort of confusion about where this story will go; just use the Legends in the Canon universe. It's already fleshed out, full of interesting characters, and with original storylines. In my eyes SW7 was a SW4 ripoff but otherwise good, SW8 was a complete trainwreck, and SW9 was a squashed mess of ideas trying to recover the nose-dive Johnson had initiated with the franchise in SW8. The prequels had a lot of faults, but God they lost their way with the sequels too. At least the prequels had a good plot but poor choreography and writing. The sequels have a poor plot that is being made-up as the writers went along, and even poorer writing and choreography. The hope for the franchise to me now is for it to learn from where it went wrong in the sequels and restore hope in Disney's ability to craft a quality set of Star Wars films once more.

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Thats your oppion and all and thats ok. But I had fun with the sequil trillogy. Namely with Rise of Skywalker. Everything looked fantastic and the action was on point.

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Postby Myrensis » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:42 pm

I'm really not sure where they can take the franchise from here though, after so thoroughly botching the post RotJ galaxy.

Like, what are we going to get, the New New Republic and New New Jedi Order against the New New Empire and New For Real This Time Sith?

It's the problem with Disneys totally lack of planning: not only did it leave the ST a jumbled mess, but also left a bind for future movies to try to extricate themselves from.
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:17 pm

Myrensis wrote:I'm really not sure where they can take the franchise from here though, after so thoroughly botching the post RotJ galaxy.

Like, what are we going to get, the New New Republic and New New Jedi Order against the New New Empire and New For Real This Time Sith?

It's the problem with Disneys totally lack of planning: not only did it leave the ST a jumbled mess, but also left a bind for future movies to try to extricate themselves from.

100 years in the future, make some shit up. Skywalker saga is a blip in the history books.
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Postby Aeritai » Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:20 pm

"Man the EU had some weird stories, good thing the Disney Canon is normal!"

Disney Canon: https://youtu.be/l6usCVB2nf4
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:22 pm

Aeritai wrote:"Man the EU had some weird stories, good thing the Disney Cannon is normal!"

Disney Cannon: https://youtu.be/l6usCVB2nf4

I, for one, look forward to the new weird.
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Postby Aeritai » Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:23 pm

Alvecia wrote:
Aeritai wrote:"Man the EU had some weird stories, good thing the Disney Cannon is normal!"

Disney Cannon: https://youtu.be/l6usCVB2nf4

I, for one, look forward to the new weird.


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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:12 pm

They better not bring back the Yuuzhan Vong, let the worst part of the good EU die.
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Postby Dylar » Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:28 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:They better not bring back the Yuuzhan Vong, let the worst part of the good EU die.

I thought Dark Empire was the worst part?
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:37 pm

Say what you want but Emperor Fel had style

I'll take the force sensitive dynasty that embraced their heritage and established the fucking Imperial Knights over Emperor Scrotum Face who was cruel and sadistic just for the evils even when it destroyed his rule.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:59 pm

Genivaria wrote:Say what you want but Emperor Fel had style

I'll take the force sensitive dynasty that embraced their heritage and established the fucking Imperial Knights over Emperor Scrotum Face who was cruel and sadistic just for the evils even when it destroyed his rule.

TBH, I thought I would've been better if the ST did something similar to the Fel Empire or something.

A galactic cold war between The Republic and a Sith Empire that has corrupted the Jedi Order and caused a fracture with The Force? Sign me up for multiple viewings please.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:07 pm

So far as Operation Cinder goes, I don't recall it being in Star Wars legends. Palpatine wasn't such a sore loser in the old canon, and did care about governing somewhat, contrary to popular opinion. The Empire arguably would've won if mistakes weren't made at Endor.

My conjecture is that the plan to destroy planets as part of a contingency plan was only added in because Adolf Hitler is said to have given a Nero Decree in real life, as a result of his regime reaching a point of inevitable collapse because the situation in 1945 couldn't be salvaged and not because of any input from George Lucas.

If George Lucas created Star Wars, I'd say that anything he said is canon by default, at least before he sold it to Disney. Fair enough that it was his story to tell as he wished, if it was his creation. For my purposes, the old canon usually supercedes the new canon, except for the pieces of new canon that is broadly accepted as an improvement, along with perhaps anything that happened after Episode VI.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:23 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:They better not bring back the Yuuzhan Vong, let the worst part of the good EU die.

The Vong aren't that bad. Sure, they belong in Warhammer 40K more than anywhere else, but they're not bad.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:02 am

Saiwania wrote:So far as Operation Cinder goes, I don't recall it being in Star Wars legends. Palpatine wasn't such a sore loser in the old canon, and did care about governing somewhat, contrary to popular opinion. The Empire arguably would've won if mistakes weren't made at Endor.

My conjecture is that the plan to destroy planets as part of a contingency plan was only added in because Adolf Hitler is said to have given a Nero Decree in real life, as a result of his regime reaching a point of inevitable collapse because the situation in 1945 couldn't be salvaged and not because of any input from George Lucas.

If George Lucas created Star Wars, I'd say that anything he said is canon by default, at least before he sold it to Disney. Fair enough that it was his story to tell as he wished, if it was his creation. For my purposes, the old canon usually supercedes the new canon, except for the pieces of new canon that is broadly accepted as an improvement, along with perhaps anything that happened after Episode VI.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:32 am

Star Wars should go as far away as it can from the Skywalker Saga Timeline, go way into the past or way into the future and fucking take risks, make shit up. And if they do old republic stuff, dont do Revan, im honestly that fond of the idea despite how much of a huge fan i am of KOTOR, because i dont want any more retreads and i want them to do something different. So make Old Republic movies but do something else.

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Saiwania wrote:So far as Operation Cinder goes, I don't recall it being in Star Wars legends. Palpatine wasn't such a sore loser in the old canon, and did care about governing somewhat, contrary to popular opinion. The Empire arguably would've won if mistakes weren't made at Endor.

My conjecture is that the plan to destroy planets as part of a contingency plan was only added in because Adolf Hitler is said to have given a Nero Decree in real life, as a result of his regime reaching a point of inevitable collapse because the situation in 1945 couldn't be salvaged and not because of any input from George Lucas.

If George Lucas created Star Wars, I'd say that anything he said is canon by default, at least before he sold it to Disney. Fair enough that it was his story to tell as he wished, if it was his creation. For my purposes, the old canon usually supercedes the new canon, except for the pieces of new canon that is broadly accepted as an improvement, along with perhaps anything that happened after Episode VI.

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Postby New haven america » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:08 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Star Wars should go as far away as it can from the Skywalker Saga Timeline, go way into the past or way into the future and fucking take risks, make shit up. And if they do old republic stuff, dont do Revan, im honestly that fond of the idea despite how much of a huge fan i am of KOTOR, because i dont want any more retreads and i want them to do something different. So make Old Republic movies but do something else.

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Postby Saiwania » Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:53 pm

Kowani wrote:This may be the most nonsensical thing you’ve said, and that includes the time you thought you masterbated yourself into being white.


Its not nonsensical. People here sometimes take what I say out of context with reductionist nonsense, when I explained perfectly well what happened and why with my physical health. It is more than just a placebo effect in that it is provable. But I do know that in terms of race, that I'm White- but that I have vitiligo on top of that. The silver lining is that my spots more easily blend in from a distance.

The fact is that some changes that Disney have made to Star Wars have been good, while other changes have been bad or in between those extremes. If I had to choose between Disney canon and Star Wars Legends however, I think I prefer Legends. I'd take George Lucas as the ultimate Star Wars authority, given that he created the whole media franchise. What he says goes, that is- until he no longer owned it anymore. Practically speaking, it was his creative work.

I can understand why George Lucas sold out, because fact is- he won't be alive forever and he needed someone else to take it to the next level or whatever, to ensure that it'd be in good hands after he's gone. It was his time to get fabulously rich.

I for one, still consider Shadows of the Empire to be canon. Dash Rendar's adventure from the Battle of Hoth to the Ord Mantell train and battle with IG-88, to the race in Mos Eisley and Beggar's Canyon, to the Skyhook battle, all of this must've happened.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:17 pm

I propose a movie or series about teenage Padawan Yoda (Yoda-Yoda, not a different look-alike).

Alternatively, his age being a bit less than the age of the Republic (900-something to ~1000) makes a broad historical ministries using him possible. Particularly, you can set up a slow decay of the Republic such that viewers notice it, while characters don't.

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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:46 pm

Just gonna leave this right here.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:07 am

Genivaria wrote:Just gonna leave this right here.

#The Jedi are evil

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:25 am

Genivaria wrote:Just gonna leave this right here.

#The Jedi are evil


So where's the brain scraping room in the Jedi Temple?
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Postby Andsed » Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:43 am

Genivaria wrote:Just gonna leave this right here.

#The Jedi are evil

Yeah the whole thing with the Jedi taking kids was definitely one of their worst flaws(though I don´t think evil is the right word for describing the Jedi.)
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