Star Wars: The Force Shall Free Us All

[Kowani]

Unpopular opinion: Darth Maul souldn't have been brought back so many times and I would have been fine with him staying dead after The Phantom Menace. Give him one good arc as compensation for dying at the end of Phantom Menace then kill him off. He should have died when Palpatine went full risky badass mode and flew halfway across the galaxy just to fuck you up. But nope. SURPRISE MAUL A FEW MORE TIMES!!

I agree wholeheartedly. He's cool, and he's a good villain, but it's not a good idea to keep bringing characters back.

The entire comic book industry says hi.

[New haven america]

I agree wholeheartedly. He's cool, and he's a good villain, but it's not a good idea to keep bringing characters back.

The entire comic book industry says hi.

The entire comic book industry says hi again.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

The entire comic book industry says hi.

The entire comic book industry says hi again.

Endgame's mass revive will either prove one of you true.

[Jolthig]

As much as I don’t generally like YouTube reviewers, I think the Plinkett Test is genuinely pretty useful. You have to describe a character without mentioning their appearance, their costume and equipment, and their role in the movie.

Without those things Darth Maul is just... there. His role in the movie could have been filled by a sufficiently advanced battle droid and it wouldn’t have changed the plot. Darth Maul in The Clone Wars and Rebels is an actual character with a brain.

Darth Maul was Darth Maul. I remember as a kid how badass this bit in that commercial was. That's Darth Maul. That thing in those cartoons was a joke.

There's also vader against ahsoka.

Oh, and let me guess. Vader flips around like some super Sith all fight. That's one of my other problems with the EU. Vader wasn't what you'd call graceful. He was a big, menacing dude. But in every EU thing from games to books, he jumps around like he's not a multiple limb amputee in a full body life support system.

I think Yoda made it pretty clear he wanted to help Anakin mature a little by handing him a padawan.

And they did that by giving him the most immature ass one they could find? Yeah, Yoda sure was on the ball with that one.

It was to test Anakin of his patience, and to give him experience.

Or as Skywalker himself said: "You're reckless, young one. You would've never made it as Obi Wan's padawan, but I think you will make it as mine."

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Obviously I agree with the sentiment, but I must inform you that my irony-meter just exploded.

Your excuse for people not liking TLJ is literally "You just don't get it!"

If you need that line of thinking to make an argument, chances are you're the one who just doesn't get it. But that's not the topic at hand and I refuse to indulge you in this seemingly never ending argument.

[New haven america]

Your excuse for people not liking TLJ is literally "You just don't get it!"

If you need that line of thinking to make an argument, chances are you're the one who just doesn't get it. But that's not the topic at hand and I refuse to indulge you in this seemingly never ending argument.

That's not an argument against my statement though~

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

That's not an argument against my statement though~

No, it's not. What's there to argue against? You don't get it. Although the issue isn't that you don't get TLJ (although that is obviously true too). You don't get anything about narratives, which is why your resort to the same nitpick-level stuff as Ameri and duck out of any conversation as soon as you get out of your depth (i.e., as soon as the conversation isn't about worldbuilding details and those silly logic questions).

Hell, you'll even do it in reverse. What you call "critical thinking and scene analysis" in your discussion of the Maul fight in Rebels seems to be little more than "identifying a callback"(Qui-Gon's stance). I haven't seen the fight, and it may well be a very good one, but you've done nothing to argue that it is. Is a callback the best thing it's got going for it? If not, why was that your first line of defence? Do you really believe the callback is more important than structure, character beats etc?

I can't fault Ameri for finding that argument unconvincing. It's the same obsession with tiny details; you're just using it to come to a positive conclusion rather than a negative one.

[Ameriganastan]

I liked TLJ.

That's my contribution to this discussion.

[The first Galactic Republic]

So Darth Maul is ideally just a stunt coordinator with some face paint? That’s a good character?

These kinds of conversations always make me raise my eyebrow when Star Wars fans on the internet complain about writing, because a good many of us truly don’t give a crap about writing. It’s just, more or less, “is this cool” or “would this be cool in a video game” hidden behind a false pretense of deep respect for the franchise.

Star Wars fans who don't give a crap about writing?

I cannot accept that such people exist.

Hell, some people on the internet shouldn’t even bother with Episode IX. They’ll inevitably be disappointed.

Instead, why not put a bucket on one’s head, imagine cool sci-fi action scenes in your mind, and have a loved one beat the bucket with a wooden spoon. Think of the gas money that one could save.

[The first Galactic Republic]

As much as I don’t generally like YouTube reviewers, I think the Plinkett Test is genuinely pretty useful. You have to describe a character without mentioning their appearance, their costume and equipment, and their role in the movie.

Without those things Darth Maul is just... there. His role in the movie could have been filled by a sufficiently advanced battle droid and it wouldn’t have changed the plot. Darth Maul in The Clone Wars and Rebels is an actual character with a brain.

He's deceptive and backstabbing, power hungry, revenge driven, intelligent and calculating, snarky, family oriented, soft-spoken, etc...

That is just classic finding depth where there is none, assuming you’re not conflating Maul’s book/video game/comic/etc. appearances with the actual movie.

I mean if Maul’s few minutes of non-fighting produces all that, than characters like Holdo and Cassian are Shakespearean by comparison.

[Autarkheia]

Glad I'm not the only one who never got the hype about Darth Maul. Adding depth to his character (which had none) is not a good enough reason to bring back him from the dead like a comic book character. Also I never thought he was that cool-looking either.

Having said that, if they had to bring him back, at least they did it right and gave him some motivations that made sense. And his death scene, even though it was anticlimactic, was better than yet another outrageous spinny flippy duel which there are too much of in the TV shows.

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As for Anakin getting a Padawan, I don't see the problem. The Jedi trusted him enough to let him join them, sent him on all kinds of high-risk missions, let him pilot their ships, command troops, etc. so it's not really a stretch. The idea was that it would make him more responsible and mature. It didn't really work, but it was worth a try.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

I've never encountered a show as bipolar as this one. After three excellent Geonosis episodes, we jump straight to the shockingly poor Grievous Intrigue. Leaving aside the trite, tensionless plot and the presence of Grievous (who is excessively evil, and not in a hammy, entertaining way), there's this character--Master Gallia--who has absolutely no reason to exist. They don't even remember to name her until the three-quarter mark. Why not give her role to Ahsoka? Or, since she does effectively nothing of importance, why not make it an Anakin/Obi Wan only episode?

Baffling decision-making. Feels like the episode was written by someone who thinks that you don't need to put any thought in as long as you include lots of flashy lightsaber action.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I've never encountered a show as bipolar as this one. After three excellent Geonosis episodes, we jump straight to the shockingly poor Grievous Intrigue. Leaving aside the trite, tensionless plot and the presence of Grievous (who is excessively evil, and not in a hammy, entertaining way), there's this character--Master Gallia--who has absolutely no reason to exist. They don't even remember to name her until the three-quarter mark. Why not give her role to Ahsoka? Or, since she does effectively nothing of importance, why not make it an Anakin/Obi Wan only episode?

Baffling decision-making. Feels like the episode was written by someone who thinks that you don't need to put any thought in as long as you include lots of flashy lightsaber action.

Near Certain Gallia is from the movies originally.

[Alvecia]

I've never encountered a show as bipolar as this one. After three excellent Geonosis episodes, we jump straight to the shockingly poor Grievous Intrigue. Leaving aside the trite, tensionless plot and the presence of Grievous (who is excessively evil, and not in a hammy, entertaining way), there's this character--Master Gallia--who has absolutely no reason to exist. They don't even remember to name her until the three-quarter mark. Why not give her role to Ahsoka? Or, since she does effectively nothing of importance, why not make it an Anakin/Obi Wan only episode?

Baffling decision-making. Feels like the episode was written by someone who thinks that you don't need to put any thought in as long as you include lots of flashy lightsaber action.

Near Certain Gallia is from the movies originally.

Think she's on the council in those scenes, but she's never really more than background scenery.
Though iirc she also did play a big part in the Jedi Starfighter game

[The Huskar Social Union]

Near Certain Gallia is from the movies originally.

Think she's on the council in those scenes, but she's never really more than background scenery.
Though iirc she also did play a big part in the Jedi Starfighter game

That game was fun. Wasnt she the player character?

[Alvecia]

Think she's on the council in those scenes, but she's never really more than background scenery.
Though iirc she also did play a big part in the Jedi Starfighter game

That game was fun. Wasnt she the player character?

Yeah, for the most part. They swapped you into other fighters at times. It also had co-op, so me and by brother played the absolute shit out of it. Excellent game.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

I've never encountered a show as bipolar as this one. After three excellent Geonosis episodes, we jump straight to the shockingly poor Grievous Intrigue. Leaving aside the trite, tensionless plot and the presence of Grievous (who is excessively evil, and not in a hammy, entertaining way), there's this character--Master Gallia--who has absolutely no reason to exist. They don't even remember to name her until the three-quarter mark. Why not give her role to Ahsoka? Or, since she does effectively nothing of importance, why not make it an Anakin/Obi Wan only episode?

Baffling decision-making. Feels like the episode was written by someone who thinks that you don't need to put any thought in as long as you include lots of flashy lightsaber action.

Near Certain Gallia is from the movies originally.

Yeah, I googled her and there were photos of a live-action version. What I mean is I don't get why she's in this episode. She really just runs around cutting up battle droids, duels Grievous for a fraction of a second, then leaves. I thought at one point they might kill her to show how dangerous Grievous is, but they didn't even do that.

[Autarkheia]

Adi Gallia will appear in more episodes. There is one where she's with Obi-Wan on a mission, I know that.

[New haven america]

He's deceptive and backstabbing, power hungry, revenge driven, intelligent and calculating, snarky, family oriented, soft-spoken, etc...

That is just classic finding depth where there is none, assuming you’re not conflating Maul’s book/video game/comic/etc. appearances with the actual movie.

I mean if Maul’s few minutes of non-fighting produces all that, than characters like Holdo and Cassian are Shakespearean by comparison.

Oh, I'm going by what the show's presented.

In TPM he's just a Sith dude with horns and a dual blade.

[New haven america]

That's not an argument against my statement though~

No, it's not. What's there to argue against? You don't get it. Although the issue isn't that you don't get TLJ (although that is obviously true too)

That took only ~4 sentences to get to.

[Ameriganastan]

In TPM he's just a Sith dude with horns and a dual blade.

Which is how he should have stayed.

[New haven america]

In TPM he's just a Sith dude with horns and a dual blade.

Which is how he should have stayed.

Nope, because in the show...:

As much as I don’t generally like YouTube reviewers, I think the Plinkett Test is genuinely pretty useful. You have to describe a character without mentioning their appearance, their costume and equipment, and their role in the movie.

Without those things Darth Maul is just... there. His role in the movie could have been filled by a sufficiently advanced battle droid and it wouldn’t have changed the plot. Darth Maul in The Clone Wars and Rebels is an actual character with a brain.

He's deceptive and backstabbing, power hungry, revenge driven, intelligent and calculating, snarky, family oriented, soft-spoken, etc...

Oh wait, I'm talking to the guy who thinks they made Vader "Nimble and Acrobatic".

[Kowani]

Near Certain Gallia is from the movies originally.

Yeah, I googled her and there were photos of a live-action version. What I mean is I don't get why she's in this episode. She really just runs around cutting up battle droids, duels Grievous for a fraction of a second, then leaves. I thought at one point they might kill her to show how dangerous Grievous is, but they didn't even do that.

Grievous got his potential fucking robbed in TCW...

[Bralia]

I am really quite surprised to see that IG-88 has gotten so much love in the poll. As much as I thought he was worth something enough to include in the poll, what did he actually do to earn such idolatry?

[Fedel]

I am really quite surprised to see that IG-88 has gotten so much love in the poll. As much as I thought he was worth something enough to include in the poll, what did he actually do to earn such idolatry?

Ever read Tales of the Bounty Hunter? He's the droid that almost took over the galaxy. V_V