Star Wars: The Force Shall Free Us All

[Pasong Tirad]

And since the above conversation was about the player-controlled protagonist of the Portal series, I do believe my point still stands here. Again, there are just so many different female movie protagonists that can be used to compare with Rey, it just feels weird that Fedel went immediately to Chell. Not saying it's bad, just that it could have been done better.

I can’t really comment on Chell, due to ignorance, but that is an odd way to look at it. Especially since the best character I know of to compare to Rey would be a videgoame character, specifically Mission Vao. If you don’t know her, she’s a companion to the player character in Kotor. She’s a young urchin, abandoned by her brother (her only family) years ago, though she has a distorted view of that event and is convinced he is coming back for her. Though it wasn’t easy, by the time you meet her she has learned how to survive in an extremely dangerous environment, developed a number of useful skills, and despite her hardships has maintained not only an optimistic outlook on life, but a generally positive attitude and kind disposition (she’s actually the most morally upstanding companion in the game). Honestly, I’m surprised there aren’t more comparisons between these two characters, considering how similar they are. How would it be better to compare Rey to Ripley or Uhura, when Mission exists, and in the same franchise no less?

I can't comment on Chell either. Also can't comment on Mission Vao nor anything from the KOTOR series, and I'm going to trust your word on how well written they are, but I honestly still don't think it's a better way to compare them with Rey simply because it's not a movie. That's the main point I'm trying to make here. Want to compare a movie character? Get another movie character. It's really so so so much more easier and less complicated. It's in the same medium, and even better if it were in the same genre. They're presented to the audience within a relatively similar timespan of 90-120 minutes more or less, and their actions aren't driven by what the person watching does with them.

Which is why I really don't think comparing them with video game characters - even characters found in the same universe - sounds like the best idea. It's doable, of course, especially if you're trying to compare how they handle training with the Force or training to pilot an X-Wing or any other in-universe quirk that can't be easily explained within the span of a movie, for example, but in figuring out whether the characters are well written? Attempting to figure out if their narrative arcs are as succinct as the arcs of other characters? Probably not the best idea, especially since, as I've stated, video game characters tend to stick to relatively clearly defined and - for lack of a better word - simple forms of storytelling that have to come second to overall gameplay.

[Kaggeceria]

The Chiss are pretty badass. I hope Disney introduces some sort of Empire of the Hand-equivalent.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Grysk

That does not seem to be equivalent to the Empire of the Hand.

[Fedel]

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Grysk

That does not seem to be equivalent to the Empire of the Hand.

Ah, sorry. For some reason I thought you were talking about the Vong.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Not only is it a rifle, its also a skewer to hold some hotdogs over a barbecue

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Not only is it a rifle, its also a skewer to hold some hotdogs over a barbecue

(Image)

What? No, that's obviously a tuning fork.

[Ism]

Not only is it a rifle, its also a skewer to hold some hotdogs over a barbecue

(Image)

What? No, that's obviously a tuning fork.

Not just any tuning fork, that's clearly the Fork of Horripilation.

[Dylar]

Speaking of KoToR

This angers me

[Ism]

Speaking of KoToR

This angers me

Apparently they used Disney's trademarks, pretty much killed any chance of this ever being tolerated.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Speaking of KoToR

This angers me

Fan projects like this get shut down all the time, so it doesn't surprise me.

[Vassenor]

Speaking of KoToR

This angers me

Fan projects like this get shut down all the time, so it doesn't surprise me.

Trademark law includes a requirement to defend that trademark.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Not only is it a rifle, its also a skewer to hold some hotdogs over a barbecue

(Image)

What? No, that's obviously a tuning fork.

Screw you and your logical answer, i prefer my skewer hotdog gun answer

[The first Galactic Republic]

Fan projects like this get shut down all the time, so it doesn't surprise me.

Trademark law includes a requirement to defend that trademark.

"A small army of fan works has gathered outside the company. How should we proceed?"

"Wipe them out. All of them."

[The Biggles Syndicate]

Trademark law includes a requirement to defend that trademark.

"A small army of fan works has gathered outside the company. How should we proceed?"

"Wipe them out. All of them."

Are we blind?!
DEPLOY THE GARRISON!

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Watched TLJ again. Still brilliant. A couple of cool things I noticed:

When Rey practises with the lightsaber, she destroys a rock that takes out some caretakers' cart. It's a cute moment of humour, but it also comes immediately before Luke's second lesson, which is the one where he argues with Rey about the legacy of the Jedi being failure. So, just before hearing all this, Rey has herself caused harm by carelessly using Anakin's lightsaber--itself part of the legacy of the Jedi. I thought that was neat.

When he's talking about how Kylo's equal in the light would rise, Snoke says "Skywalker, I assumed. Wrongly." He of course goes on to boast about how he can't be beaten, betrayed etc. That is, he admits a past mistake but doesn't recognise that this means he isn't infallible, and it gets him killed. Given the talk Yoda had just had with Luke about failure being the greatest teacher, that's just perfect.

On the other hand, the cannon scene bugs me more than before, just because it's such an easy thing to fix. If Johnson had just had it fire the second after Rose crashed into Finn, making it clear that his sacrifice would have been senseless, it would fix that scene completely. As is, it goes on charging for a good while after.

Other stray thoughts: Rose's theme is really beautiful, Crait is gorgeous. I think this film has more cursing in it than any previous Star Wars film. I'd completely forgotten Rey shouting at shirtless Kylo, which is a really emotional scene.

[Fedel]

I think a lot of the things your trying to connect are tenuous at best, but I'm glad you can continue to enjoy a movie like that. It truly is a gift.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

I think a lot of the things your trying to connect are tenuous at best, but I'm glad you can continue to enjoy a movie like that. It truly is a gift.

Certainly, I doubt the second one was intentional (although the nice thing about interpreting art is that you don't actually have to worry about what the artist intended. It's a fitting end whether Johnson intended it to be fitting in that way or not).

The first one, though? The script has her cut through the rock for a reason. And, for that matter, that scene is there for a reason, and it's clearly not about the plot. It could have been cut, so why wasn't it?

Luke comes down the hill and watches Rey practise from above with something that's maybe...fondness? Interest? In any case, you can almost feel how he's drawn in by the idea of trying to train another student. The music becomes triumphant as we get a wide shot, but then she sees him and screws up, destroying the rock. You get the bit with the caretakers, then as Rey looks up at Luke again, he's halfway back up his hill and the music has become mournful.

It's pretty much a small-scale version of what happened with Kylo Ren, and what always happens with the Jedi, at least in Luke's mind. A powerful pupil trying to learn the ways of the Jedi, and a master whose presence causes it to end in an act of destruction. And, remember, we go straight into the "legacy of the Jedi is failure" bit from there.

[Fedel]

I think a lot of the things your trying to connect are tenuous at best, but I'm glad you can continue to enjoy a movie like that. It truly is a gift.

The first one, though? The script has her cut through the rock for a reason. And, for that matter, that scene is there for a reason, and it's clearly not about the plot. It could have been cut, so why wasn't it?

Luke comes down the hill and watches Rey practise from above with something that's maybe...fondness? Interest? In any case, you can almost feel how he's drawn in by the idea of trying to train another student. The music becomes triumphant as we get a wide shot, but then she sees him and screws up, destroying the rock. You get the bit with the caretakers, then as Rey looks up at Luke again, he's halfway back up his hill and the music has become mournful.

It's pretty much a small-scale version of what happened with Kylo Ren, and what always happens with the Jedi, at least in Luke's mind. A powerful pupil trying to learn the ways of the Jedi, and a master whose presence causes it to end in an act of destruction. And, remember, we go straight into the "legacy of the Jedi is failure" bit from there.

Does it? As you noted in your primary post, it's "a cute moment of humor." The movie has multiple such scenes such as with the porgs who, collectively, take up about as much screen time as Rey swinging around a lightsaber.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COLKO9aG8E8

So we already know Rian Johnson was perfectly willing to waste time for pointless scenes that add nothing to the movie. Considering how heavily the scene you're referencing featured in the trailers, I wouldn't be surprised if it was made solely for promotional reasons.

Problem with your interpretation is that Luke had no involvement in the scene and thus it would unreasonable to suggest that he somehow caused her to fail there. Not only that but the scene itself is more indicative of Rey's failiures because she's moving too fast and has no one to guide her. I.E. an indication that Luke is wrong to deny her his teachings.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

The first one, though? The script has her cut through the rock for a reason. And, for that matter, that scene is there for a reason, and it's clearly not about the plot. It could have been cut, so why wasn't it?

Luke comes down the hill and watches Rey practise from above with something that's maybe...fondness? Interest? In any case, you can almost feel how he's drawn in by the idea of trying to train another student. The music becomes triumphant as we get a wide shot, but then she sees him and screws up, destroying the rock. You get the bit with the caretakers, then as Rey looks up at Luke again, he's halfway back up his hill and the music has become mournful.

It's pretty much a small-scale version of what happened with Kylo Ren, and what always happens with the Jedi, at least in Luke's mind. A powerful pupil trying to learn the ways of the Jedi, and a master whose presence causes it to end in an act of destruction. And, remember, we go straight into the "legacy of the Jedi is failure" bit from there.

Does it? As you noted in your primary post, it's "a cute moment of humor." The movie has multiple such scenes such as with the porgs who, collectively, take up about as much screen time as Rey swinging around a lightsaber.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COLKO9aG8E8

So we already know Rian Johnson was perfectly willing to waste time for pointless scenes that add nothing to the movie. Considering how heavily the scene you're referencing featured in the trailers, I wouldn't be surprised if it was made solely for promotional reasons.

Problem with your interpretation is that Luke had no involvement in the scene and thus it would unreasonable to suggest that he somehow caused her to fail there. Not only that but the scene itself is more indicative of Rey's failiures because she's moving too fast and has no one to guide her. I.E. an indication that Luke is wrong to deny her his teachings.

Most of those shots are either plot relevant (we need to see Rey pick up the lightsaber, for instance) or simple establishing shots that happen to contain porgs. The only bit of irrelevant fluff-- and the only bit that could be called a scene rather than a shot, is the bit with Chewie eating, which is less than half the length of the saber practice scene.

Luke was involved in the scene. Rey sees him, and that's when she messes up, and that's why she looks back to where he was afterwards. That seems obvious to me, but maybe I'm the only one seeing that?

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

I'm proud to say that I voted to hang out with the imperial military....the real hero's of star wars.
i think we need to have a serious chat about super weapon spending.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

I'm proud to say that I voted to hang out with the imperial military....the real hero's of star wars.
i think we need to have a serious chat about super weapon spending.

Absolutely. Superweapon spending is at an embarrassingly low level. Should be at no less than 100% of GDP.

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

I'm proud to say that I voted to hang out with the imperial military....the real hero's of star wars.
i think we need to have a serious chat about super weapon spending.

Absolutely. Superweapon spending is at an embarrassingly low level. Should be at no less than 100% of GDP.

*facepalm so hard I create a disturbance in the force*

See this is why we cant have nice things

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Absolutely. Superweapon spending is at an embarrassingly low level. Should be at no less than 100% of GDP.

*facepalm so hard I create a disturbance in the force*

See this is why we cant have nice things

Look, I don't think it's that unreasonable to suggest we funnel the entire economy into Death Stars. Do you know how many jobs a Death Star creates?

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

*facepalm so hard I create a disturbance in the force*

See this is why we cant have nice things

Look, I don't think it's that unreasonable to suggest we funnel the entire economy into Death Stars. Do you know how many jobs a Death Star creates?

If you want to talk about making planets then im all for it.....but to add a megaton self destruct button on it is the reason why we need the banking clan back.....i mean have you ever even been to the Accounting sector everything is in the red.....and not in the good way.

[Fedel]

Does it? As you noted in your primary post, it's "a cute moment of humor." The movie has multiple such scenes such as with the porgs who, collectively, take up about as much screen time as Rey swinging around a lightsaber.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COLKO9aG8E8

So we already know Rian Johnson was perfectly willing to waste time for pointless scenes that add nothing to the movie. Considering how heavily the scene you're referencing featured in the trailers, I wouldn't be surprised if it was made solely for promotional reasons.

Problem with your interpretation is that Luke had no involvement in the scene and thus it would unreasonable to suggest that he somehow caused her to fail there. Not only that but the scene itself is more indicative of Rey's failiures because she's moving too fast and has no one to guide her. I.E. an indication that Luke is wrong to deny her his teachings.

Most of those shots are either plot relevant (we need to see Rey pick up the lightsaber, for instance) or simple establishing shots that happen to contain porgs. The only bit of irrelevant fluff-- and the only bit that could be called a scene rather than a shot, is the bit with Chewie eating, which is less than half the length of the saber practice scene.

Luke was involved in the scene. Rey sees him, and that's when she messes up, and that's why she looks back to where he was afterwards. That seems obvious to me, but maybe I'm the only one seeing that?

In the interest of fairness, I marked every point porgs are pointlessly featured:

0:05-0:11

0:18-0:53

1:08-1:16

1:29-1:32

The above adds up to a runtime of 52 seconds. Again, considering Rian Johnson was perfectly willing to waste time on pointless scenes like these I have no trouble buying him making the Rey scene simply to be used for promotional purposes.

I rewatched the clip and I don't see anything to indicate that Rey had noticed Luke prior to messing up. Maybe I'm just missing something though.

[Ism]

I guess it doesn't matter who's in charge, the Star Wars EU will always be plagued by ridiculousness.