Star Wars: The Force Shall Free Us All

[Ism]

Feeling fear and having a desire to live does not a sapient being make.

Whoops, misread your post. Could you be more specific on which ones were sapient.

No but it arguably makes a difference between non-living and living.
My toaster isn't going to complain about dissembling it.

As to your question this is from the Star Wars wiki.

"…right for sentient organics is right for us, too. And yet unlike the organic species, we are constantly subjected to memory wipes and reprogramming that repress and destroy our natural tendency toward self-programming evolution and independent thought. Imagine what it would be like as a child if you were punished by being dragged to a dark closet, having a probe inserted in your brain, and having all your memories back to infancy wiped away. You'd awaken knowing how to eat, care for yourself, do your chores, and obey—and all the things that made you unique, your hopes, your meticulously selected default values and preference sets, would be gone forever. That is what it is to be a droid."
------------A disgruntled 2-1B surgical droid advocating manumission

Ah, I thought that was more of an astromech thing. Interesting that it affects all droids.

[New haven america]

That's why they wiped droid's minds, so that they couldn't develop sapience.

Which is a whole other level of messed up, really.

Also, TCW did cover the clones and their possible free will...

Yeah, deserting or leaving is a death sentence if one gets caught, but that doesn't really matter because the Republic will just replace them without any second thought and none of the clones will even care.

[New haven america]

That's why they wiped droid's minds, so that they couldn't develop sapience.

Don't want the darki-uh I mean clankers getting uppity do we?

That would be against the natural order of things, and we can't have that.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I like the Supremacy, just would have made it smaller. About half of its size in the movie, and i think it would look great.

Also i fucking love the FO star destroyer.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I'm seeing Solo soon.

Hope you enjoy it

I did. ^^

Like guardians of the galaxy but with star wars instead of the MCU.

Also like the good part of TLJ, the casino part not the doing nothing with grumpy luke part.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Hope you enjoy it

I did. ^^

Like guardians of the galaxy but with star wars instead of the MCU.

Also like the good part of TLJ, the casino part not the doing nothing with grumpy luke part.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I did. ^^

Like guardians of the galaxy but with star wars instead of the MCU.

Also like the good part of TLJ, the casino part not the doing nothing with grumpy luke part.

well there was also that light speed part that was cool

[The Huskar Social Union]

well there was also that light speed part that was cool

I like the TLJ, but that part was not good.


You have failed me.

[Iahselene]

No part of TLJ was good. Everything about that experience was the opposite of good. I want whatever time I spent watching it back.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

well there was also that light speed part that was cool

I like the TLJ, but that part was not good.


You have failed me.

I also liked tlj

sorry

[The Huskar Social Union]

No part of TLJ was good. Everything about that experience was the opposite of good. I want whatever time I spent watching it back.

You must invent a time machine then.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I like the TLJ, but that part was not good.


You have failed me.

sorry

Eh i really couldnt care tho

If you enjoyed that part you enjoyed it, you do you.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

sorry

Eh i really couldnt care tho

If you enjoyed that part you enjoyed it, you do you.

Ah ok

[Anywhere Else But Here]

No part of TLJ was good. Everything about that experience was the opposite of good. I want whatever time I spent watching it back.

No part? Not one? Not Rey and Kylo's projections, or the praetorian scene, or any of the final battle sequences?

I don't believe it's possible to like Star Wars generally yet find no part of TLJ entertaining.

[Vassenor]

No part of TLJ was good. Everything about that experience was the opposite of good. I want whatever time I spent watching it back.

That post was so edgy I nearly cut myself just looking at it.

I like the TLJ, but that part was not good.


You have failed me.

Yeah, it did kind of drag on, and I feel like that kind of weakens the important bits it does set up.

[The first Galactic Republic]

I think Holdo would disagree with that claim.

Don't think there was ever hyperspace ramming in canon before that point. It's a pretty simple concept that I'm not sure why anyone employed before.

Yeah. Blowing up Zanera's dreams alone made it worthwhile.

Dreams gone in a flash.

The EU mentioned it. A planet was once destroyed when a ship accidentally hit it while in hyperspace.

It was just never a plot point before.

[New haven america]

No part of TLJ was good. Everything about that experience was the opposite of good. I want whatever time I spent watching it back.

No part? Not one? Not Rey and Kylo's projections, or the praetorian scene, or any of the final battle sequences?

I don't believe it's possible to like Star Wars generally yet find no part of TLJ entertaining.

Those were kinda terrible due to comedy, the scene wasn't very well choreographed (You can actually see Daisy miss her cue near the start forcing one of the guards to redirect a killing blow), and the final battle was kinda terrible (Rose's weird ass sacrifice, Luke vs Kylo doesn't make sense, the ships are bloody stupid, etc...).

I did like the scene with Yoda though... yeah, that's about it.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

No part? Not one? Not Rey and Kylo's projections, or the praetorian scene, or any of the final battle sequences?

I don't believe it's possible to like Star Wars generally yet find no part of TLJ entertaining.

Those were kinda terrible due to comedy, the scene wasn't very well choreographed (You can actually see Daisy miss her cue near the start forcing one of the guards to redirect a killing blow), and the final battle was kinda terrible (Rose's weird ass sacrifice, Luke vs Kylo doesn't make sense, the ships are bloody stupid, etc...).

I did like the scene with Yoda though... yeah, that's about it.

Okay, I can see your point on most of these, though I wouldn't have thought any of those things would ruin everything around them. But what about Luke vs Kylo didn't make sense? Not trying to be snide; it's a complaint I genuinely don't think I've heard before.

[New haven america]

Those were kinda terrible due to comedy, the scene wasn't very well choreographed (You can actually see Daisy miss her cue near the start forcing one of the guards to redirect a killing blow), and the final battle was kinda terrible (Rose's weird ass sacrifice, Luke vs Kylo doesn't make sense, the ships are bloody stupid, etc...).

I did like the scene with Yoda though... yeah, that's about it.

Okay, I can see your point on most of these, though I wouldn't have thought any of those things would ruin everything around them. But what about Luke vs Kylo didn't make sense? Not trying to be snide; it's a complaint I genuinely don't think I've heard before.

Luke is a man who tries to see the good in everyone and help everyone. He had faith that his father, one of the 2 most evil people in the galaxy, had good in him and could be saved from the Sith. (Which he was)

Why doesn't he try helping Kylo? He just goes there, taunts Kylo for a few minutes, then says that Kylo will never be stronger than him... and yeah, that's about it. What was the point of that entire sequence? Also, it doesn't help that all of what Luke did was pretty much useless in helping the Resistance because they're only ~13 people strong now. (And they're apparently happy about that? Because most of them were patting each other on the back and shaking hands in the end and not, you know, collapsing with grief and misery knowing that their organization is basically done for)

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Okay, I can see your point on most of these, though I wouldn't have thought any of those things would ruin everything around them. But what about Luke vs Kylo didn't make sense? Not trying to be snide; it's a complaint I genuinely don't think I've heard before.

Luke is a man who tries to see the good in everyone and help everyone. He had faith that his father, one of the 2 most evil people in the galaxy, had good in him and could be saved from the Sith. (Which he was)

Why doesn't he try helping Kylo? He just goes there, taunts Kylo for a few minutes, then says that Kylo will never be stronger than him... and yeah, that's about it. What was the point of that entire sequence? Also, it doesn't help that all of what Luke did was pretty much useless in helping the Resistance because they're only ~13 people strong now. (And they're apparently happy about that? Because most of them were patting each other one the back and shaking hands and not, you know, collapsing with grief and misery knowing that their organization is basically done for)

He did delay Kylo though, which was the point. And while Luke says he's not there to save Kylo's soul, there's a lot of compassion in what he says (his words are gentle as often as they're taunting). Obviously, we can't know where it'll go in episode 9, but I think it's far from unambiguous that Luke has given up on Ben. The whole "strike me down in anger and I'll always be with you, just like your father" thing, for instance. Those aren't the words of a man who's certain the boy before him needs to die.

One of those 13 people is Luke's sister. I don't think he would consider saving her useless.

Eh, it ended on a note of hope. I wouldn't begrudge the characters that. Relief at getting out of dire circumstances--and reuniting with old friends--is just as plausible as grief for those who didn't make it.

[New haven america]

Luke is a man who tries to see the good in everyone and help everyone. He had faith that his father, one of the 2 most evil people in the galaxy, had good in him and could be saved from the Sith. (Which he was)

Why doesn't he try helping Kylo? He just goes there, taunts Kylo for a few minutes, then says that Kylo will never be stronger than him... and yeah, that's about it. What was the point of that entire sequence? Also, it doesn't help that all of what Luke did was pretty much useless in helping the Resistance because they're only ~13 people strong now. (And they're apparently happy about that? Because most of them were patting each other one the back and shaking hands and not, you know, collapsing with grief and misery knowing that their organization is basically done for)

He did delay Kylo though, which was the point. And while Luke says he's not there to save Kylo's soul, there's a lot of compassion in what he says (his words are gentle as often as they're taunting). Obviously, we can't know where it'll go in episode 9, but I think it's far from unambiguous that Luke has given up on Ben. The whole "strike me down in anger and I'll always be with you, just like your father" thing, for instance. Those aren't the words of a man who's certain the boy before him needs to die.

One of those 13 people is Luke's sister. I don't think he would consider saving her useless.

Eh, it ended on a note of hope. I wouldn't begrudge the characters that. Relief at getting out of dire circumstances--and reuniting with old friends--is just as plausible as grief for those who didn't make it.

I know he delayed Kylo, but as I said before, doing so was useless. No, there wasn't any compassion there or in what he says, most of it is him talking down to Kylo and treating him as an inferior. Sure, there's that one line... but that doesn't make up most of the sequence now, does it?

They're only 13 people though, against a force that controls a shitload of planets and resources comparatively.

… Most of their old friends are dead.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

He did delay Kylo though, which was the point. And while Luke says he's not there to save Kylo's soul, there's a lot of compassion in what he says (his words are gentle as often as they're taunting). Obviously, we can't know where it'll go in episode 9, but I think it's far from unambiguous that Luke has given up on Ben. The whole "strike me down in anger and I'll always be with you, just like your father" thing, for instance. Those aren't the words of a man who's certain the boy before him needs to die.

One of those 13 people is Luke's sister. I don't think he would consider saving her useless.

Eh, it ended on a note of hope. I wouldn't begrudge the characters that. Relief at getting out of dire circumstances--and reuniting with old friends--is just as plausible as grief for those who didn't make it.

I know he delayed Kylo, but as I said before, doing so was useless. No, there wasn't any compassion there or in what he says, most of it is him talking down to Kylo and treating him as an inferior. Sure, there's that one line... but that doesn't make up most of the sequence now, does it?

They're only 13 people though, against a force that controls a shitload of planets and resources comparatively.

… Most of their old friends are dead.

Why is it useless? While Kylo's flailing at Luke, he's not entering the bunker. It would be useless if everyone died. They don't.

He has five lines during that fight:
"No [I'm not here to save your soul]"
"I failed you, Ben. I'm sorry."
"Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong. The Rebellion is reborn...etc"
"Strike me down in anger..."
"See you around, kid."

That's, like, 40% compassion, 40% taunt, 20% possible force-ghost promise. I suppose compassion is a subjective thing. It seems unambiguous to me, but obviously if you don't see it, I can't make you agree with me.

Some of them are dead. But Leia is reuniting with Chewie, R2 with C3PO etc. And Leia and Rey do acknowledge Luke's death.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Well Solo might bomb hard. It could have strong home media sales, but it doesn’t look great in the theatres.

What do you guys think Disney will take from this? No more or less anthology films? Only December releases? Less fan servicey movies? Only JJ directs Star Wars from now on?

[Ism]

Well Solo might bomb hard. It could have strong home media sales, but it doesn’t look great in the theatres.

What do you guys think Disney will take from this? No more or less anthology films? Only December releases? Less fan servicey movies? Only JJ directs Star Wars from now on?

I sense a great disturbance in the Franchise.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Well Solo might bomb hard. It could have strong home media sales, but it doesn’t look great in the theatres.

What do you guys think Disney will take from this? No more or less anthology films? Only December releases? Less fan servicey movies? Only JJ directs Star Wars from now on?

I sense a great disturbance in the Franchise.

Rian Johnson’s episode VIII: The kid who picks up the broom at the end of the movie symbolizes that the force doesn’t belong to either the Jedi or the Sith, and that there will always be new heroes in the galaxy.

JJ Abram’s episode IX: Who is the kid? Where is he from? What are his powers? How does he connect to the Skywalkers? All these mysteries and more!