Paradox Games VII: Vicky III - Vicky Meets The Blorg

[Purpelia]

No it is not.

I am speaking about gameplay where as you are speaking about story and lore. The two are separate entities which in this particular case clash.

What I am saying is that lore be damned HOI4 is a strategy game. And strategy games are about making strategic choices about how you want your game to proceed. And having that ability taken away and turned into a random event is not fun. It is the exact opposite of fun. It is what makes you ragequit, reload until you get the result you want or edit the game files.

You cut out an important part, that's been how things have worked since HoI2. The July Plot against Hitler for example wasn't a choice you made, it either succeeded or failed based on percentages in the event files and I don't know anybody who had a problem with that. I've never been bothered by that design myself because I tend to like rolling with things how they happen but to each their own I guess.

Either way the core of the idea remains the same.

I am not cutting out anything.

I am saying it wasn't fun than and it won't be fun here. Randomness has no place in a good strategy game. It poisons and pollutes everywhere it touches.


But in the end do what ever you want. You have my input and something to think about. But its your mod and if you want to take it in a direction I personally find to be profoundly bad that's your choice. I am sure you'll find more than enough of an audience among those that disagree with me.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I am not cutting out anything.

I am saying it wasn't fun than and it won't be fun here. Randomness has no place in a good strategy game. It poisons and pollutes everywhere it touches.

I disagree on that, randomness can add to a grand strategy game if it's not done in bad ways like mana.

To use TNO Vietnam as an example, the National Socialist path for their government involves using overwhelming force and particularly brutal methods to try and break the Viet-Cong. While this can work and actually break them it also has the possibility of driving the populace into their arms and against you and making the situation much worse and make the Viet-Cong stronger and more likely to overthrow you. I quite like things like that because it adds a degree of randomness in a good way to playthroughs so you never quite know what's going to happen.

I understand where you're coming from though, we just have differing views on the topic.

[Purpelia]

I understand where you're coming from though, we just have differing views on the topic.

Basically yes. I feel that randomness is only good as a means of providing diversity if all the possible paths get you to the same destination or if the dice roll it self is something you can influence through player actions.

Like say you want to Annex Austria as Germany and your random results are:
a) Austria agrees
b) You get a wargoal against Austria to conquer them

That's good randomness. Because you get to annex them either way.

But say instead the possible results were:
a) Ausria agrees
b) Austria disagrees and you get screwed out of annexing them without having to justify a manual wargoal.

That's not fun because you made a conscious choice to invest time and resources into going down this line and were cheated out of it by a roll of the dice.

But it can become fun if you made the odds of A and B influenced by player action. For example if Austria agreeing or not depends on their support for Fascism and you can directly influence that by boosting party popularity. Than suddenly even the second version becomes fun because instead of being a scummy dice roll it becomes a strategic choice you have to make. How much do you invest into boosting popularity. How much of a dice roll are you willing to take in exchange for keeping that PP for other uses?

Bottom line is strategy games are about planning and investment and risk/reward choices. And having the result be completely out of my control is just not fun for me.

That's my view at least.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I died of Gout, that plan aint happening any more.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I understand where you're coming from though, we just have differing views on the topic.

Basically yes. I feel that randomness is only good as a means of providing diversity if all the possible paths get you to the same destination or if the dice roll it self is something you can influence through player actions.

Like say you want to Annex Austria as Germany and your random results are:
a) Austria agrees
b) You get a wargoal against Austria to conquer them

That's good randomness. Because you get to annex them either way.

But say instead the possible results were:
a) Ausria agrees
b) Austria disagrees and you get screwed out of annexing them without having to justify a manual wargoal.

That's not fun because you made a conscious choice to invest time and resources into going down this line and were cheated out of it by a roll of the dice.

But it can become fun if you made the odds of A and B influenced by player action. For example if Austria agreeing or not depends on their support for Fascism and you can directly influence that by boosting party popularity. Than suddenly even the second version becomes fun because instead of being a scummy dice roll it becomes a strategic choice you have to make. How much do you invest into boosting popularity. How much of a dice roll are you willing to take in exchange for keeping that PP for other uses?

Bottom line is strategy games are about planning and investment and risk/reward choices. And having the result be completely out of my control is just not fun for me.

That's my view at least.

obvs it would be influenced by player action (have you reformed the government to be loyal to Heydrich, has the SS/military been reformed, how much have you integrated with Burgundy etc etc), afaik pretty much everything should work that way. It was just a basic idea laying down the premise of what I'd thought up about that specific event.

I died of Gout, that plan aint happening any more.

GODS PLAN IN ACTION, TAKE THAT YOU FILTHY SATANIST

[The Huskar Social Union]

I died of Gout, that plan aint happening any more.

GODS PLAN IN ACTION, TAKE THAT YOU FILTHY SATANIST

Irrelevant:

My plans advance, the dark god can wait.

Two kingdoms down with the passing of my mum, one left to go in what will most likely be a very brutal series of wars.

[Washington Resistance Army]

GODS PLAN IN ACTION, TAKE THAT YOU FILTHY SATANIST

Irrelevant:

My plans advance, the dark god can wait.

This offends me and my Scottish ancestry deeply.

[The Transhuman Union]

GODS PLAN IN ACTION, TAKE THAT YOU FILTHY SATANIST

Irrelevant:

My plans advance, the dark god can wait.

Two kingdoms down with the passing of my mum, one left to go in what will most likely be a very brutal series of wars.

The borders...
drowns in pleasure

[The Huskar Social Union]

Irrelevant:

My plans advance, the dark god can wait.

This offends me and my Scottish ancestry deeply.

Soon the english types shall feel the same.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Irrelevant:

My plans advance, the dark god can wait.

Two kingdoms down with the passing of my mum, one left to go in what will most likely be a very brutal series of wars.

The borders...
drowns in pleasure

:)

[Washington Resistance Army]

The borders...
drowns in pleasure

:)

Can we just take a moment to appreciate Spoleto?

[The Transhuman Union]

The borders...
drowns in pleasure

:)

It just gets better the more I look at it.
This shit will cure depression.

[Purpelia]

obvs it would be influenced by player action (have you reformed the government to be loyal to Heydrich, has the SS/military been reformed, how much have you integrated with Burgundy etc etc), afaik pretty much everything should work that way. It was just a basic idea laying down the premise of what I'd thought up about that specific event.

Either way, we've had a productive talk. Now let's return to our scheduled CK2 border gore.

Speaking of which, I don't have a screenshot handy but TLDR steppe nomads took France, steppe nomads lost France. And now there is a big blob of blue in the Volga Bolgar region that I have to deal with.

[Impaled Nazarene]

I died of Gout, that plan aint happening any more.

Sad bagpipes.

[Renoa]

I'm calling the Pope.

Yeah well the Pope's Da sells Avon.

My time spent on r/ScottishPeopleTwitter has informed me that this is a grievous insult.

Sidenote: while the content of that subreddit is amazing, the people who inhabit it are a bunch of petulant children. Non-Scots comment at their own risk.

[Serrus]

Well, that was a ride.
Here are some tips.

1. Start as El Salvador, justify on Nicaragua. Fortify your capital while training up many divisions.
2. Plant all your dudes in San Salvador.
3.When your justification's complete, declare. Keep training up dudes as the Nicaraguans kill themselves.
4. Play Hearthstone for a while or something. Attack and train troops as needed until they're out of manpower.
5. Walk into their capital. Annex.
6. Justify on the next 2 bits of land.
7. Train more troops.
8. Repeat what you did before. If Pax Americana fires, just don't white peace till you annex them.
9. Just walk into Costa Rica. Seriously, they only have one division.
10. Form the thing.
11. A winner is you.

[The Federation of Kendor]

Also, about EU IV, what does the mercantilism stat affects?

[Abserdia]

Also, about EU IV, what does the mercantilism stat affects?

Trade power and embargo efficiency. It also effects liberty desire among colonial subjects, with a higher stat leading to higher want for independence.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yeah well the Pope's Da sells Avon.

My time spent on r/ScottishPeopleTwitter has informed me that this is a grievous insult.

Sidenote: while the content of that subreddit is amazing, the people who inhabit it are a bunch of petulant children. Non-Scots comment at their own risk.

Im not scottish but they have some great insults.

Reddit always delivers

[The Huskar Social Union]

Deus Vult!


AHHHHHHHHH I DID IT

So in this campaign ive got:

Always Bet on Duke
Its Good to be the King
Its Better to be Emperor
United the Kingdoms

Primary goal accomplished, lets see what else i can get up to.

[Harbertia]

Deus Vult!


AHHHHHHHHH I DID IT

So in this campaign ive got:

Always Bet on Duke
Its Good to be the King
Its Better to be Emperor
United the Kingdoms

Primary goal accomplished, lets see what else i can get up to.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Deus Vult!


AHHHHHHHHH I DID IT

So in this campaign ive got:

Always Bet on Duke
Its Good to be the King
Its Better to be Emperor
United the Kingdoms

Primary goal accomplished, lets see what else i can get up to.

Unite the Celtic peoples. Conquer the Bretons.

[Bralia]

Alright, that's it, I'm cheating. I'm tired of the Mongols conquering Byzantium in every single game I play. I'm forcing them to surrender to the Byzantines, go pillage Russia you annoying horse-fuckers.

[Salus Maior]

Me? Pay tribute to you? I think not.

[The Transhuman Union]

Also, about EU IV, what does the mercantilism stat affects?

Trade power and embargo efficiency. It also effects liberty desire among colonial subjects, with a higher stat leading to higher want for independence.

Isn't just more mercantilism better if you're not (or even if you are) a colonizer?