Paradox Games VII: Vicky III - Vicky Meets The Blorg

[Genivaria]

And I will be the purge-happy communist Germans because why would I not be the purge-happy communist Germans?

That sounds like a great way to get the Burgundian-SS to kick down your door >_>

EVERYTHING is a great way to get the Burgundian-SS to kick down your door.

[Washington Resistance Army]

That sounds like a great way to get the Burgundian-SS to kick down your door >_>

EVERYTHING is a great way to get the Burgundian-SS to kick down your door.

They're also the 4th most powerful nation in the world at the start of the game, good luck getting rid of them

[Genivaria]

EVERYTHING is a great way to get the Burgundian-SS to kick down your door.

They're also the 4th most powerful nation in the world at the start of the game, good luck getting rid of them

Averting nuclear Armageddon is a worthy goal.
...you know it says something that when compared to them the Enclave seem downright progressive.
At least from the view of Colonel Autumn, the so-called 'President Eden' shows why AI can't be trusted to lead us.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Murdering the SS is a fun past time.

Burgundian would just be a bonus.

[Washington Resistance Army]

They're also the 4th most powerful nation in the world at the start of the game, good luck getting rid of them

Averting nuclear Armageddon is a worthy goal.
...you know it says something that when compared to them the Enclave seem downright progressive.
At least from the view of Colonel Autumn, the so-called 'President Eden' shows why AI can't be trusted to lead us.

Tbqh Himmler pretty much is the Enclave from 2 as well as President Eden.

I'm still pushing for a path where Heydrich can oppose Himmler once he learns about the nuclear plan. Ultranationalist Germany shouldn't always end in that path cuz that would get stale after a while and, at least imo, make the whole tree feel kinda useless in the end.

[Wallenburg]

That would also require mods. Can't plot against your children in vanilla.

Don't want kids, don't do the nasty with your spouse.

When I want to have more than 2 living male dynasty members my ruler’s fertility goes down 7,500%. When I want to stop having kids my intrigue goes to 0 and fertility is increased by 50%.
Every time.

Get yourself 4 or 5 lovers and make sure your wife finds out. Legitimize your favorite bastard when he's all grown up. Best succession plan.

[Lunas Legion]

Averting nuclear Armageddon is a worthy goal.
...you know it says something that when compared to them the Enclave seem downright progressive.
At least from the view of Colonel Autumn, the so-called 'President Eden' shows why AI can't be trusted to lead us.

Tbqh Himmler pretty much is the Enclave from 2 as well as President Eden.

I'm still pushing for a path where Heydrich can oppose Himmler once he learns about the nuclear plan. Ultranationalist Germany shouldn't always end in that path cuz that would get stale after a while and, at least imo, make the whole tree feel kinda useless in the end.

Perhaps Heydrich has been using Himmler the entire time to maneuver himself into power and once he actually gets it he gets an option to backstab Himmler in Night of the Long Knives 2?

[Salus Maior]

Night of the Long Knives 2?

Night of the Longer Knives? Longest Knives?

[The Huskar Social Union]

WHAT IN TARNATION

[Washington Resistance Army]

Tbqh Himmler pretty much is the Enclave from 2 as well as President Eden.

I'm still pushing for a path where Heydrich can oppose Himmler once he learns about the nuclear plan. Ultranationalist Germany shouldn't always end in that path cuz that would get stale after a while and, at least imo, make the whole tree feel kinda useless in the end.

Perhaps Heydrich has been using Himmler the entire time to maneuver himself into power and once he actually gets it he gets an option to backstab Himmler in Night of the Long Knives 2?

He's pretty firmly loyal to Himmler at the start because almost nobody (you could actually count them all on one hand probably) knows what he's actually planning so Heydrich thinks that Himmler is just trying to spread ultranational socialism and preserve the aryan state without it being degenerate garbage like it is in 1962.

My idea is for Heydrich to eventually realize what Himmler's plan is and get an event where he can either keep going along with Burgundy's demands and help with the nuke plan or refuse and turn against Himmler which should trigger maybe a 50/50 chance of elements of the German-SS killing Heydrich and installing someone Himmler chooses from his inner circle and thus locking you into helping him. The other 50% chance would be Heydrich surviving and purging those loyal to Himmler and declaring war on Burgundy for him being a traitor and trying to kill the Furher and to prevent him from carrying out the plan, though the world will only ever hear the first reason obviously.

[Lunas Legion]

WHAT IN TARNATION

*is confused*

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Night of the Long Knives 2?

Night of the Longer Knives? Longest Knives?

Longer Knives. You don't want to do the longest knives yet, because that leaves you nowhere to go for the third instalment of the trilogy.

[Purpelia]

My idea is for Heydrich to eventually realize what Himmler's plan is and get an event where he can either keep going along with Burgundy's demands and help with the nuke plan or refuse and turn against Himmler which should trigger maybe a 50/50 chance of elements of the German-SS killing Heydrich and installing someone Himmler chooses from his inner circle and thus locking you into helping him. The other 50% chance would be Heydrich surviving and purging those loyal to Himmler and declaring war on Burgundy for him being a traitor and trying to kill the Furher and to prevent him from carrying out the plan, though the world will only ever hear the first reason obviously.

Don't you think it would be extremely horribly unspeakably unfun to have the player be forced into one of those two by a random event as opposed to manually choosing what to do? And if the wording of the question was unclear I personally feel that it would. Than again I generally despise having my choice taken away by random events.

[Washington Resistance Army]

My idea is for Heydrich to eventually realize what Himmler's plan is and get an event where he can either keep going along with Burgundy's demands and help with the nuke plan or refuse and turn against Himmler which should trigger maybe a 50/50 chance of elements of the German-SS killing Heydrich and installing someone Himmler chooses from his inner circle and thus locking you into helping him. The other 50% chance would be Heydrich surviving and purging those loyal to Himmler and declaring war on Burgundy for him being a traitor and trying to kill the Furher and to prevent him from carrying out the plan, though the world will only ever hear the first reason obviously.

Don't you think it would be extremely horribly unspeakably unfun to have the player be forced into one of those two by a random event as opposed to manually choosing what to do? And if the wording of the question was unclear I personally feel that it would. Than again I generally despise having my choice taken away by random events.

Himmler still has lots of pull in the German-SS, going against him should be an inherently dangerous thing for someone in the organization.

[Purpelia]

Don't you think it would be extremely horribly unspeakably unfun to have the player be forced into one of those two by a random event as opposed to manually choosing what to do? And if the wording of the question was unclear I personally feel that it would. Than again I generally despise having my choice taken away by random events.

Himmler still has lots of pull in the German-SS, going against him should be an inherently dangerous thing for someone in the organization.

That's not a response to what I was saying.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Himmler still has lots of pull in the German-SS, going against him should be an inherently dangerous thing for someone in the organization.

That's not a response to what I was saying.

Yes it is, in universe Himmler is at least as powerful as Heydrich in the German-SS and very much has the power to carry out a killing like that and I feel that should be represented. When it comes to choices like who you want to succeed Hitler that should be a simple player choice in an event but when it comes things like a leader surviving an assassination or something I'm okay with it being done by percentage.

Hell it's been like that in HoI since the 2nd game I think, it's not particularly a new idea.

[Abserdia]

WHAT IN TARNATION

I like it.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I have hatched a daring scheme with my new character, King Gormgus to destroy the Kingdom of England via the dark powers of the cult of Lucifer, which upon my last character's death i found out my heir was a member of said cult.

As it sits, the boy duke of Mercia controls near two thirds of england. He has two heirs behind him, Leofweald AElleson Av Sudreim and Agatha Av Sudreim. I have abducted and murdered the husband of Agatha, and married her myself. I am now scheming to kill or abduct her brother Leofweald and remove him from the line of succession. Then i shall kill her newly born son and have a child with her. I shall then murder the boy duke of Mercia and my wife shall take his place. Cementing the fall of Mercia to my Dynasty.

As it stands, upon my character's mother's death i will inherit the Kingdom of Scotland.


All of this plotting for a damn achievement to get the kingdoms of ireland, scotland and england.

So naturally, i am going to get fucking murdered by someone the second i start playing again.

[Washington Resistance Army]

HUSKAR NO, SATAN IS BAD

[Purpelia]

That's not a response to what I was saying.

Yes it is

No it is not.

I am speaking about gameplay where as you are speaking about story and lore. The two are separate entities which in this particular case clash.

What I am saying is that lore be damned HOI4 is a strategy game. And strategy games are about making strategic choices about how you want your game to proceed. And having that ability taken away and turned into a random event is not fun. It is the exact opposite of fun. It is what makes you ragequit, reload until you get the result you want or edit the game files.


Imagine if in the current HOI4 focus tree when you selected "Oppose Hitler" you had a 50% chance of the civil war just not firing and you being forced to stay with Nazi Germany. That's basically what you are doing here. If I pick a focus or event decision I expect to be able to get what I picked.

[The Huskar Social Union]

HUSKAR NO, SATAN IS BAD

The Kingdoms of Britannia are mine, based on the rules that i just made up.

Any who deny that are my foes and i will destroy them, with any arms at my disposal. Be it armies, marriage pacts, assassinations or ritual sacrifices to the dark lord.


The stage is set, and we move the pieces into place. As an extra precaution, i also murdered the cousin of my dear wife.

And now plot to murder her child.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yes it is

No it is not.

I am speaking about gameplay where as you are speaking about story and lore. The two are separate entities which in this particular case clash.

What I am saying is that lore be damned HOI4 is a strategy game. And strategy games are about making strategic choices about how you want your game to proceed. And having that ability taken away and turned into a random event is not fun. It is the exact opposite of fun. It is what makes you ragequit, reload until you get the result you want or edit the game files.

You cut out an important part, that's been how things have worked since HoI2. The July Plot against Hitler for example wasn't a choice you made, it either succeeded or failed based on percentages in the event files and I don't know anybody who had a problem with that. I've never been bothered by that design myself because I tend to like rolling with things how they happen but to each their own I guess.

Either way the core of the idea remains the same.

[Washington Resistance Army]

HUSKAR NO, SATAN IS BAD

The Kingdoms of Britannia are mine, based on the rules that i just made up.

Any who deny that are my foes and i will destroy them, with any arms at my disposal. Be it armies, marriage pacts, assassinations or ritual sacrifices to the dark lord.


The stage is set, and we move the pieces into place. As an extra precaution, i also murdered the cousin of my dear wife.

And now plot to murder her child.

I'm calling the Pope.

[The Huskar Social Union]

AH THAT FUCKING MAID GOT CAUGHT AND BLABBED.

Now the wife knows.

Child is dead tho so thats cool

AH THE CHILD HAD RABIES, I SHOULD HAVE JUST LET HIM DIE, FFS

[The Huskar Social Union]

The Kingdoms of Britannia are mine, based on the rules that i just made up.

Any who deny that are my foes and i will destroy them, with any arms at my disposal. Be it armies, marriage pacts, assassinations or ritual sacrifices to the dark lord.


The stage is set, and we move the pieces into place. As an extra precaution, i also murdered the cousin of my dear wife.

And now plot to murder her child.

I'm calling the Pope.

Yeah well the Pope's Da sells Avon.